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Goforbroke
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they've already earned almost everything they can before high school graduation
In Ohio, there's something called "College Credit Plus," through which anyone grade 7-12 can take college classes IF they can be accepted by the college. The admission requirements vary from one college to the next. In theory, a student could graduate from high school one day, and from college the next.

There are a lot of juniors/seniors in high school who want to do this, the problem being that their ACT scores don't qualify them for remediation-free college admission (ACT of roughly 22). And at this point, it's really too late to do anything about it. In most schools, academic rigor simply doesn't exist in the middle/junior high schools to prepare them. And the schools don't encourage CCP because they must pay for the college classes, and that is taken directly out of their budget.

My daughter took 40 hours of classes at one of OSU's satellite campuses. All classes transferred and as a result, her gen ed classes are taken care of as well as first year math and physics. The yelling matches we had in grades 7-10 were epic, but ultimately she saw the benefits of paying attention to grades and academics. Not all parents are as "focused" as I am, and the school guidance counselors don't have the time to deal with this, as their efforts are spent making sure that the bottom 20% graduate. The average graduation rate in Ohio is 85%.

The US education system is not about the students ... it's about creating jobs for adults and keeping them on the payroll (with gold plated benefits). Students are the raw material, there is no outgoing QC, no accountability (because there are so many other things to blame poor performance on) and therefore no incentive for creating a good product. I would not want to be the parent of an elementary student these days, because I don't see it getting any better.

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And the schools don't encourage CCP because they must pay for the college classes, and that is taken directly out of their budget.

The schools here not only openly discourage juniors and seniors from CHS (collegiate high school, from which you can graduate with both a diploma AND AS or AA) they actively lie to kids about the program.

Oh, and they also don't give a flying **** about doing their level best to prepare kids to be able to make it in that program, as roughly $8,000 per kid per year that DOES go that route leaves the public district and goes to the college. And for that they get not JUST college but ALSO high school, so what's the real college cost again? More like $4-5k/year -- which you could come up with delivering pizzas.

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In Ohio, CCP has backfired for those students attending colleges with extremely low (i.e. no) admission requirements. The students take the classes, fail them, and that means they have failed both the college class AND the high school class. In this event, the kid must pay back the cost of the class and probably will need an extra year at high school in order to make up for this. There is no state norm for admission requirements, so even having failed college classes before, the kid can take more of them, fail them, and as long as he/she is willing to pay back the tuition, keep it going ad infinitum. Who benefits? The high school and the college. At the expense of the student.

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Yeah, there's no back-billing here in Florida, but if you flunk out you're out -- and wind up back in the regular High School. The last time I looked at the numbers roughly a third of those who try blow up, usually in the first semester.

It IS a grueling program since it really is nearly double the coursework. On the other hand it's FREE, including books, so..... yeah. You either want it badly enough to put in the effort or you don't, but any kid who doesn't IMHO really ought not in this day and age go to college at all. There are a ****-ton of people needed to do things like welding, electrical, HVAC and similar, all make good money, and none of them require a college degree.

It's also ****ing hard to offshore the AC guy's job. When it's 95 degrees and 95% humidity and your AC isn't working you WILL pay for the guy to come out and fix it. While I know how to and will troubleshoot my own and as long as the sealed system isn't dead I can fix anything electrical in there I'm in the 1% -- damn near everyone is going to call the place and pay, and pay you will if it's a weekend or holiday when it happens.

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I disagree Karl. If you wanted to go into HVAC, I would enter the local CC to get a HVAC cert. (the one back in VA did) Wasn't too many classes. A DC/AC fundamentals class would not hurt either. You could find a job in no time and make better starting off money. One semester would get it done

https://www.rappahannock.edu/academics/h....

Oh, and I learned how to weld gas and stick in the 11th grade shop class.

Looking back at my Community College days (1980's), these classes helped me the most:

AC/DC fundamentals
Semiconductor Circuits
Data Communications and Distributed Networks
Fortran
Systems Design and Analysis Methods

Everything else was fluff. Nearly every job I had required a "No BS Degree Waiver"

In today's environment, I would be retired by 30. You need HVAC from the North to the South Pole and everywhere in between.


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True that; I have no problem with taking the classes there, but there's no degree involved.

FORTRAN is a dead language though unless you're doing scientific programming and has been for a long time. It was the first computer language I learned (on punch cards!) but today..... naw. You'd be far better-off learning ANY microprocessor assembler; that way you understand how the computer actually works -- stores data, operates on data, etc -- internally.

I learned how to weld (gas and stick) in Jr. High shop class, along with learning how to use both a metal and wood lathe. Yeah.

Nowdays THERE IS NO SHOP CLASS.

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Sometimes it is hard to wrap your head around the whole shunning thing as the concept is so foreign to people. In the South and Midwest there is a little more connection to this and mores still have it happening to a degree. Knowing and working for the Amish they will tell you that their lifestyle essentially shuns the world that they believe tries to impose its values on them. When you are part of this world, the onus is on you to demonstrate acceptability. Once you do this amazing and interesting conversations occur which will become more apparent later. They manage to do this by being accountable to themselves and limiting what they need to live their way. There are other reasons however this one is prime. When you shun, you are accepting the consequences for doing it so you have to have balls. Yes, there is a dark side as some people who shun, and some Amish, view the people that they are shunning as objects to be screwed. Some Amish actually will do anything to outsiders that they will not endorse for themselves to make money to support their decision, others will not and will only provide services to others that are neutral or acceptable to their own people. Too much for here, but worth bringing up.

Putting aside the balls thing, i would like to appeal to your sense of personal satisfaction. Doing this feels so good once you are willing to face it. Some here and elsewhere might say that it is futile as you are only one, far from it and even when true the freedom is worth it. It is not just the particular person or entity that you are shunning; it is the people that refuse to do the same that you shun most of the time. And it starts the conversation.

Let's have some examples. In the community where I built my life we have a spectrum of municipal employees. In fact my large area is like the Disney World of them. A very notable subset of them have easy jobs but are paid high deference due to the color of nobility painted upon them. Yet, the ones here have the easy assignments and duties and play the system. A healthy amount of the their compatriots elsewhere do work their asses off and earn every penny, but it further makes my point as you will see. Yes, we are speaking about a large municipal system(s). There are other employees of the municipality whose jobs are much like anyone else, in fact often brutally worse, and they just happen to have us as the employer. We get our money's worth from them and more; they are excluded here. Getting back to the LOCAL dirtbags, um, our cops, firefighter, garbage men, buildings dept guys, city engineers, you get the idea, they can do their 20 years (some small changes have occurred SMALL) and get out with full pension and benefits starting immediately. You ****ing read that right, been going on for over fifty years. Yea, there are arguments as to physical ability after a certain age, however that should be planned for like many men who lose their jobs in middle age have to do.

Getting back to the point, these dirtbags while on the job have a lot of, no incredible amount of, free time both at work and in life due to the way they structure, i mean scam, the system. consequently and with the fact that they do not have to save for retirement they live very nice lives and can start and run businesses while employed. They add some icing to the cake. For over thirty years in my community we have the same issue with the employment of South American and Mexican illegals, usually by said dirtbags, in auto repair, food service, contracting, landscaping, etc. You get where this is going? Of course we have other dirtbags who skipped the scam city worker status and employ said illegals to build their businesses.

Here is how I have shunned over the past twenty five years and damn it ****ing feels good. Note that in this same municipal service system there are cops and firefighter in the other areas that have really demanding jobs that do not get grouped in here and their jobs are so busy that they seldom, if ever, have the time or energy to run side businesses like the dirtbags. The few that do are just like me and funny you might not know this want nothing to do with the BS crowd. This is a hidden secret undertone in NYC, but due to union and negotiating strength issues, it cannot be said above a whisper. Sounds like shunning to me.

When my company was operation i turned down tens of thousands of dollars in business to not work for these people. My associates had to accepts this. Yet others in the same profession who bitched about the dirtbag class who undercut everyone just complained and lost business anyway. When hiring contractors i always wanted to know the owner and and workers professions. in other words, even his employees could not be off-duty city worker ****. of course anyone hiring workers illegally and could not prove that everyone was on the books was out. it was made clear to my clients that if i was to run a job, manage or run a project, the same rules applied. yes, i walked away from business, but you know what, all i had to do was manage my money by saving and not spending. when socializing, i would not and still will not attend their affairs. if some nice piece of ass came from a dirtbag family, she was someone else's piece of ass. there is a local body shop whose work is restoration quality and everyone is happy with them. they are actually friends of mine. they do not employ any illegals or cheat employment law. they are a very small shop and sometimes have trouble keeping up with the work. the owner sometimes gets bitter in that he sees the guys with the bigger places, working less, etc. and i tell him with his totally paid for commercial location, no debt personal or business, he has the pleasure of more business that he can do which would thrill most businessmen. He actually banks the overage money so when there are a few slow times he relaxes unlike the big-guy scam artists who start crying when things are slow.

I will not eat in any food establishment that employees off the books and/or illegal aliens. How do i find out? I get right in their face and ask them. This means that I will not go out to these places even with acquaintances. and they do not stay acquaintances very long for this reason. starts the conversation. same **** when i had to book catering halls and event services often owned by firefighter ****. no deal, follow the same laws as me and screw you and the business you had the free time to build since we do not deploy resources effectively as a city. Back to a good point, what do i say to the dirtbag owners when they inevitably do not know what to do with my question or react in some way that matters not to me. simple, i have always been in a position where everything was on paper and declared are they special and i lived much like a Mexican and was desperate for work a long time ago and their practices screwed people like me. similar to contractors and builders who would give me the lip when i told them to go packing that when i was running my contracting business and development company it was so nice having to compete with people who did not follow the rules also when i needed to work as a laborer there were no jobs for a W-2 guy since they had the Mexicans. Yes folks, there are regular Americans who were ready willing and able to work and thought that minimum wage was just fine even thirty years ago, and we were screwed.

It gets even better as i refuse to socialize with these people or anyone who does. although there is one that i use since i am taking advantage of him, kind of like some of the Amish, since he is other to me. i get lots of free **** from him and never gave him a dime. sometimes it is good to shovel dirt into the dirtbag.

Looking at the above, think of all of the money that i save. eating out is a tremendous ****ing waste of money. i can make better food in an instant that some of the best crap people pay for. the one or two places that work right are actually some of the cleanest and no one has ever gotten sick at them. you know that nice illegal mexican at che bullsheet, well when he gets the flu he must still come into work sick. i worked in food service a long time, trust me, i know. so everyone who eats there gets ****ing sick. oh, and before anyone can think this, one of my preferred places to eat locally is owned by a genuine green card holding Mexican who never entered our country illegally, hires, yes his own people all completely legally, declares every penny and operates a place that is so clean that you would lick the ****ing kitchen floor and drink from the toilet. he primarily serves people that he shares heritage with but it is a joy for everyone to go there. his lovely waitresses who are challenged with English are terrific and everyone is always cleaning. most places are very unhygienic and develop a dinginess, not this place after twenty years. it shines like our places did in the 1950's. No filthy rag wiping everything down from floor to seat to table and the waitresses are dressed so cute, dig this, proper stockings with sensible shoes for the work. when was the last time you saw that from the white trash dumping your slop cooked by the parasite infested illegal at the local dump or chain restaurant. see what happens when you raise your standards.

My lawn guy, same thing, what so he is five dollars a month higher than everyone else. and BTW, yes, he has a few LEGAL South American guys as well as regular guys like us who are just as good workers, funny how that works out. yes, he is smaller, but has a nice complement of equipment and trucks all excellently kept. yes, he takes it on the chin from the dirtbags, but he gets referred by me and just gained all of my neighbors and I told my neighbors WHY i referred him. the conversation. same with my contractor. when my business friends do not know how to deal with the stresses of doing the right thing, honestly it does cost and is difficult, there is an opportunity to teach. this is when i explain how to shun. a lot of my business friends have stopped attending the affairs of these dirtbags, do not help them. it is amazing but all of the other dirtbags used to ask my auto body guy for help or advice. he now just brushes them off. his terrific wife tells me that he smiles more and walks taller; i am sure something else too. you do not realize how much the bitterness and frustration beats you down inside until say enough. do this for yourself.

here is a biggie. i love boating. my former yacht club, while useful and a cost reducing entity, being local has a high percentage of the dirtbags as they have lots of free time while working and an incredible life after their ridiculous retirement. not just because they are there but rather the tone changes, most three alarm *******s some five alarm, and they dominate the place. whatever, i am not there and it is very clear the reason. any other candidate for my business receives a description of what i do not like and must prove to me otherwise. BTW, my former yacht club was wrecked by the Sandy storm and the dirtbags took their boat insurance payoffs and left, getting much more than the vessels were worth. they reconstruction still is not done, very low membership, tremendous infighting as the five alarm *******s tried to control the thing. and i just relax and smile.

when you write off people and the people that decide to associate with them you actually have time for real friends and acquaintances that you respect. it is so nice to not have to attend weddings, christenings, other ****, answer the phone, whatever. and i tell people why. have a neighbor who works for Goldman Sucks, when i clean everyone's snow during the bad storms, his does not get done and people know why. i walk right past him and it is like he is not there.

Leave you with this. years ago dated a very nice Catholic girl, honest and devout. She was personally challenged by the whole abused children thing, could not swallow what happened and how it is handled. she also freaked out when they parish buried a known crime figure from the church as she called it with all of the attendant ceremony. she called him a public sinner. she disowned all family who continued to be a part of the religion, anything that supports or donates to it or it affiliated with it and will not attend any event or ceremony associated with it. she also will not be friendly or socialize with anyone who remains a part of the religion or gives to it in any way. yes, she has turned down business with people who support the church monetarily. literally she asks this when considering doing business with people. with no prompting from me, she said that Catholics are perpetuating the problem by their support. she will not ever attend mass again unless and until her church addresses the problem in the way that their teaching requires. let's just say that from what she explained and from what i know about this, they would pay a high price. out of continued respect for our continuing friendship as a non-catholic i will not attend Catholic acquaintances' events and i tell them why.

Life is about people, not money or things. Have a few that you respect and admire. You will still be able to support yourself and have more freedom than you can imagine. Allan Greenspan used to say that Americans would never challenge the system as they are too financially tenuous to risk their jobs or the system itself. He said that their debt and investment in the system kept them under control. I say whose fault is that. Look in a mirror and stand up for yourself.

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Leave you with this. years ago dated a very nice Catholic girl, honest and devout. She was personally challenged by the whole abused children thing, could not swallow what happened and how it is handled. she also freaked out when they parish buried a known crime figure from the church as she called it with all of the attendant ceremony. she called him a public sinner. she disowned all family who continued to be a part of the religion, anything that supports or donates to it or it affiliated with it and will not attend any event or ceremony associated with it. she also will not be friendly or socialize with anyone who remains a part of the religion or gives to it in any way. yes, she has turned down business with people who support the church monetarily. literally she asks this when considering doing business with people. with no prompting from me, she said that Catholics are perpetuating the problem by their support. she will not ever attend mass again unless and until her church addresses the problem in the way that their teaching requires. let's just say that from what she explained and from what i know about this, they would pay a high price. out of continued respect for our continuing friendship as a non-catholic i will not attend Catholic acquaintances' events and i tell them why.

Yep.

I stopped going to mass or events years ago -- as a confirmed AS AN ADULT Catholic, and did so very publicly with open letters to the Archdiocese and all. I also wrote Catholic Charities out of my will. I will NOT contribute to the dirtbags who did this (and still are doing this!) to kids, nor to those who shield those dirtbags from justice.

It felt good then to do it and it still does.

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In the late 90s someone wrote me a check on their Wells Fargo account.

I walked into a branch to cash it but they wanted $5 to cash the check because I wasn't a customer.


What you weren't a member of their EXCLUSIVE check cashing club? -lol. The scam is pervasive everywhere to bilk money from consumers today - supermarkets, retail, service stations, pharmacy, and online.

What they were in essence doing was refusing to honor the check through their institution. So they guy that walks in off the street with a legitimate check is refused. Bastards deserve to have their banking charter revoked permanently.

So were they planning to charge a fee to the person that deposited it at another bank? I think not. This is all a delay scam designed to keep as much money in the bank as possible to likely hide other illegal theft and transactions that are occurring. They likely weren't charging other banks such fees. You aren't going to keep customers long charging $5.00 a check.

Not much different than the poor sap paying cash versus having medical insurance. Nor is it any different from paying outrageous taxes on hotel rooms with city, tourism, and other taxes added. The general rule is to steal as much as possible from everyone else. Of course these taxes would not be possible without the support of the surrounding community and businesses in that area! It's the collective that caused the problem




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@Tickerguy

Karl, since we discuss stuff here and i honor your personal decision as difficult as it obviously is, i have a question. i will not ever attend or support the religious functions or events of these people for both my reasons and my good friend's reasons and my respect for her. she takes it to the level that anyone who has not renounced this church is out of her life. i do not have deep friendships with any Catholics nor am aware of socializing with any, but wonder if it is right to do this. it is a pressure on the Catholic to pressure his own group or leave it. just curious what you think.

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Karl, since we discuss stuff here and i honor your personal decision as difficult as it obviously is, i have a question. i will not ever attend or support the religious functions or events of these people for both my reasons and my good friend's reasons and my respect for her. she takes it to the level that anyone who has not renounced this church is out of her life. i do not have deep friendships with any Catholics nor am aware of socializing with any, but wonder if it is right to do this. it is a pressure on the Catholic to pressure his own group or leave it. just curious what you think.

Yep, and here's why.

It's just like the guy at Wells Fargo. He makes POSSIBLE the continued operation of the firm by working there. They bilked people multiple times and have not reformed.

Ok, so how's that fit with the Catholic Church? Same deal.

You CANNOT put a nickel in the plate without funding the rapists! See, by the rules of the Vatican 1/3rd of EVERY DIME that goes in the plate goes to them, 1/3rd to the diocese that serves your church, and the last third remains with the parish.

While many parishes and priests have not done anything wrong THEMSELVES most Dioceses have covered up or transferred suspected or known pedophiles. And the Vatican has an unbroken record of not only doing so but also using its status as a state to shield accused priests from both civil and criminal investigation and, ultimately, sanction.

Therefore you CANNOT in any way support your LOCAL Church without ALSO supporting the rapists and their enablers. It's impossible, and deliberately so. The Vatican set up those rules, not you -- but you can't change them. Your only choice is to support them or not.

Same deal with the hospital. You might like YOUR doctor but if he's admitted to practice there his presence makes them ripping everyone off possible. He either has to quit or you have to tell him, his wife and his kids to **** off -- IF you give a **** about the issue and you agree that what the hospital is doing is wrong, unsupportable and the people doing it should be in prison.

If you DO support said person then what you're doing is saying that what THEY make possible through THEIR actions is perfectly ok with you. You will not only look the other way you'll make their life more-comfortable, help provide experiences that bring them joy, and maybe even provide them funds.

Well?

Too bad I don't know this gal..... I like her point of view and we need a few tens of millions more like her in this country. If we had as few as a million more Americans who would take her position, which is basically identical to mine, NONE of the screwings that go on daily would survive a single afternoon.

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Some of us do care. I personally removed $1.5M from Wells Fargo because of thier arrogance, reduced my taxable foorprint to near zero for everything except the dreaded property taxes.
I refuse to even turn on any of the MSM networks etc. It's a long slow process, but I am extracting myself from the matrix and burning the corporations in my wake.

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yep, i do the same as my friend. my parents were correct to say, choose your friends wisely. she is a good person, you would really like her.

i react very viciously to people who harm innocents such as children. when people do not like my stance that they need to dump orgs and religions that support it i tell them that if you support an organization that protects pedophiles, then you are a pedophile. i do not care who doesn't like me for this.

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To one up the scam, one of the colleges we visited with our daughter in the last year won't accept an AP credit if it was used as a credit to graduate from high school (dual credit)even if they have a 1.
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My response to that would be simple, direct and in-their-face:
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Yep. I believe a couple schools wouldn't take AP credits in your major but you could use them for gen eds for example if you were a math major they wouldn't take your Stats AP credit but would take the English towards your gen eds. One school wouldn't take English no matter what your major "because writing skill is so important" but would accept any other AP credits even in your major.
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@Regrubun

" One school wouldn't take English no matter what your major "because writing skill is so important" but would accept any other AP credits even in your major."

The English dept bull****. The most useless major in the system. Ever see the post collegiate writing skills of English majors over the past forty years, pathetic. In the book "Prof Scam, Professors and the Demise of Higher Education," the authors cite a test administered to all graduating majors of which the lowest were the Education and English majors. I add that I often observed that most tended to double major in both.

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Hello @flappineagle

I can agree and I'm even sympathetic to your points regarding the influx of low quality students and lack of control professors have over the difficulty of their courses.

However, it's not an issue of a class not being available at all, in principle. Sure, that'd be odd if come Spring there no vector calculus offered. But there's a two fold problem:

1. The availability of supply of seat vs demand. This creates waiting lists, or that large group of students hanging around the door for the first two weeks. But if they don't get added, they have to take something else in order to keep their financial aid in place and/or preserve their registration status, and likely that class is a filler they don't need. Again, this has nothing to do with the professor, but it does have to do with the administration and financial aid structure.

2. The cycle of course looks good if all I'm doing is taking math classes, for example. However, conflicts arise. For example, a typical community college will offer 2-3 differential calculus/linear Algebra class (if quarters they'll break that up), maybe 4 if it's a large school. But let's say I have to take some engineering course, too, like say either, statics, or dynamics or materials. Or physics classes...I don't know, maybe at the community college level there's optics or fluids (I'd assume you'd have general physics out of the way by then). It's the conflict with these classes that also lead to problems.

So if the college let's say offers differential equations three times but they happen to all be stacked let's say Tuesdays and Thursdays. Let's say they go 40 students a class. So that's 120 available seats. But I may have a class w/ a lab planted on one of those days. So maybe that'll leave a night or morning option available, but now there's not 120 available seats for me, there's only 40.

Perhaps they've taken some steps to avoid this now. I'm not sure about the community college level on what they've done. The UCs (University of California) tends to sequence the whole thing from freshman year to senior year.

Now I understand that community colleges are a bit more chaotic, and that when it comes to planning there's availability of classrooms to consider and such. But none of this is recognized by the student aid structure, so the student has to ramp up their bill in many cases to continue to qualify for the aid (it may only happen to be student once, but then multiply that effect). And also, there's the factor they have to maintain their registration status.

This isn't with the professors, they have no say over it. But the administration and student loan administration do. But there's a perverse effect that happens when loans are absolutely guaranteed regardless of circumstance. This is the sam effect the IMF and the World Bank have on bankrupting countries. Which we see happening with people with student loans. We're literally with guaranteed student loans turning people into banana republics.
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Exactly.

Colleges pull this **** all the time; there's only so many seats, and they'll schedule things so that there's basically a lottery as the meshing of seats and schedule is flat-out impossible for all the persons who have to fill said schedule in a given semester or quarter in order to actually MEET the 4 year timeline.

It just takes ONE time you get ****ed and you're in for another semester -- and it's to the college's advantage to screw you, since you will be there for more time and pay more money.

Colleges could align their interests with the student's by charging for the number of hours needed for the degree and so long as you don't actively FAIL a class you don't pay more money. Further, if you stay on-campus and there is a schedule conflict resulting in you not being able to take said classes in the correct sequence THEY EAT THE ROOM AND BOARD for the additional time.

As it stands now they have every reason to **** you, and do.

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Sandor
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I refuse to even turn on any of the MSM networks etc.


I don't either nor do I have cable.

Everyone needs a Firestick with Kodi. Everything is free. When it works. :)

I went Galt and my expenses are really silly low. My biggest challenge is to make enough money to qualify above the poverty limit to get my $890 month Obama care plan for $14. If I'm below the poverty limit by income I don't qualify!!

Starving the beast is the only path to change at this point.

I have paid a **** load of taxes in my life. And all that tax would not touch the cost of one errant missile fired into the Syrian desert.
Tickerguy
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I went Galt and my expenses are really silly low. My biggest challenge is to make enough money to qualify above the poverty limit to get my $890 month Obama care plan for $14. If I'm below the poverty limit by income I don't qualify!!

Yep -- same deal here.

When I get to the lower cut-off.... I stop doing anything productive. My Obamacare plan costs me 56 CENTS a month.

I not only will starve the beast, I will starve all of his minions too, both socially and financially.

God gave me two middle fingers in case one gets cut off.

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Emg
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Canada
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"It's also ****ing hard to offshore the AC guy's job."

Today, yes. But it will be easy in 10 years or so: you'll call the AC company and a bot will turn up on your doorstep, controlled by a guy in India or China with a VR headset.
Flaps10
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^end game, no human has a job that earns a paycheck.

I'm seeing a flaw in the "let's automate all tasks" trend
Rollformer
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When I was in high school, I was fascinated by dystopian literature. 1984, Brave New World. You can see bits of their propechies in our lives today. But the one that I was most moved by was Player Piano, by Kurt Vonnegut. It concerns itself, not with the machinations of doublespeak and soma, but of the rise of engineers and machines. It covers the emptiness of a life where all human needs are met, but few humans are needed. irrespective of your opinion of Vonnegut's politics, it seems an even more relevant read today.
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I like this shunning tactic. I've been doing that for years in lesser respects. Got a reputation in college for being a straight up ******* and not associating with people I did not like. There was always a reason for said disassociation so yeah, I can roll with this plan.

Since I do work in that city where the pigs shot that Australian woman I will have plenty of opportunity to flip the bird when I see some boys in blue. They usually have their hands full playing with their smartphones while the thugs keep turning the city into Chicago North. Hopefully they will look up and see my [****_you]
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