No, You're NOT A Horse
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I've heard this comment, or some derivative of it, far too often lately: "We now live in a LGTBQ{whatever} world and it's just how it is."

Uh, sorry folks, but words mean things and science trumps feelings.

Let's break this down.

There are three sexual orientations:  Straight, Gay, and Bi.

If you have no attraction to members of the same sex, you're straight.
If you have no attraction to members of the opposite sex, you're gay.
If you have some attraction, some of the time, to members of both sexes, you're bi.

If you have any degree of attraction to someone of the same sex as you, then you're Bi.  You might be 1% Bi, you might choose to never act on your attraction (just as I choose not to sleep with a married woman) but that has exactly nothing to do with whether I find her attractive -- or whether you find someone of the same sex attractive in a sexual manner.  You either do or you don't on a categorical basis.

As to sexes there are exactly two: Male and Female.

There are, however, varying degrees of satisfaction with a person's draw in the genetic lottery.  Spare me the horsecrap about "androgenous" people; there are none.  You might be a ****ed-up male (e.g. XXY, Klinefelter's syndrome) but you're still a male genetically.  If you have no "Y" chromosome in your cells you're female.  You might be a ****ed-up female (e.g. single X, Turner's syndrome) but you're still female.

Bluntly, there is no such thing as "transgendered."

There is, however, among a fair number of people, the state of being unhappy with your draw in the DNA lottery.  Unhappiness is not "illness" (mental or otherwise), it's unhappiness.  We are all unhappy about this or that from time to time, and we have the right, as humans with a full range of emotions, to be unhappy about anything -- including our sex, for as long as we like.

I note that the Founding Fathers, wise men that they were, recognized this as they called out in the Declaration of Independence the fundamental human right to the pursuit of happiness.

Nowhere is attainment of happiness mentioned, nor can it be assured, and for good reason -- it's mostly in our heads!

If you're unhappy with your luck in the DNA lottery (over which you had exactly zero input, of course) you might choose to dress to please yourself (so what?) or you might choose to cut some things off and add others so as to alter your appearance on a more-permanent basis.

The risk with that, however, along with drugs taken to suppress various parts of your sex-chromosome expressed physical characteristics, is that hormones are not well-understood as to side effects and all of them have very significant risks associated with their use.  In addition, and far worse, most of the time one's unhappiness, when it expresses in this fashion, is either not limited to their draw in the DNA lottery or it is truly with that draw and not one's appearance, which is the only thing it is physically possible to alter no matter how drastic the actions you take.

How do I know this?  That's easy: A large percentage of people who go through "gender reassignment" commit suicide.

Nobody who is happy intentionally kills themselves and obviously, if they do so after such surgery then altering their physical appearance did not address their unhappiness.

That's likely, by the way, because you can't change your sex -- only your appearance.  I find it outrageous, in fact, when someone is misled to believe they can "become" that which they can't "if only they take this pill or have this cut off or that sewn on." Indeed, it is my considered opinion that anyone who misleads someone in such a fashion should be held criminally responsible should that person commit suicide in the future after "taking their advice."

You see, I'd be despondent too if I was led to believe that I could change my sex and then discovered it was a lie, especially when one considers that such a set of changes is irreversible and leaves a man who makes such an election a man who looks like a woman and a woman who makes such an election a woman who looks like a man!

For a societal perspective there's another problem, however, which is that if you pander to someone who claims to be something they're not in one area of life you're asking for that same refusal to accept scientific fact to show up in other places in their life, and quite possibly in places that would matter to you in your interaction with them.  If that's the standard you set why would you be surprised when they meet it?

That's a bad deal all the way around -- for both you and them.

We're well past the point where we need to cut the crap in this regard and be honest with people -- both about sexual preference and the physical, scientific realities when it comes to the two (and only two) sexes.

This crap has gone on long enough.

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Oldno7
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"This crap has gone on long enough"
I agree 100% and I am sick of hearing of this crap when there are much more important items to consider that need changing. Like the rule of law for one that could solve many other problems it we truly had equal rule of law.

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I agree 100% and I am sick of hearing of this crap when there are much more important items to consider that need changing. Like the rule of law for one that could solve many other problems it we truly had equal rule of law.

One of the REASONS we have no rule of law is that we don't respect FACTS.

This is one of the better examples in the modern day. A claim that you must respect someone's choice of "pronoun" is utter nonsense; "sir" or "ma'm" is an expression of physical fact which is used to narrow the risk of the wrong person thinking you're addressing them (it cuts the potential number of addressees by half, you see.)

Likewise we have the mess in the medical system because we refuse to accept mathematical facts when it comes to exponential expansion.

It's all part of the same piece of ****, and it all has to stop.

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I thought this article was going to be about why you shouldn't eat like a horse (ie oats, wheat, and other grains).
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The first survey I have seen cited to point to large numbers of post transition suicide asked whether people had attempted suicide but not when. Lifetime suicide attempts were thus unsurprisingly high.

The other claims 4% rate, which is 10 times lower than than the pre-transition rate of 40%. Its not 100% effective but its the only known efficacious treatment.

Its not mere unhappiness. It's an urgent desire to escape your body strong enough to over-come self preservation instincts which are not inhibited, unlike with depression.

Gender and sex are otherwise correlated at 0.9995 which the post-modernists really ****ing struggle to explain if its something just socially created.

The advent of "trans-trenders" people who think the condition is something whimsical is comparable to people who claim to be gluten intolerant. 86% of people who go to a doctor with claimed "symptoms" of gluten intolerance turn out to be completely tolerant with .5% actually having full blown coeliac's disease.

I prefer to define sex as the number of haploid gamete types in humans (2) and work backwards, as it avoids all the chromosomal outliers and I think is the more technical definition.

True Trans people know they aren't really changing their gender. They know its pretend and they are extremely thankful that everyone politely goes along with it. If therapy worked they would all choose that, it would be hella cheaper and less painful.

Gender Dysphoria is excruciating and debilitating and irrational. We don't know the cause but its definitely a major biological ****-up of some kind.

We do know there are at least two classes of it though which the post-modernists deny because the second is unseemly.

The first is from very young. These are the people who feel like the other gender. The are nearly always homosexual. They take on their opposite genders affect naturally. A male for example dreams of being a house wife with kids. They transition before 20 or live out their lives as gay men or women. These are the true horror stories, teens who get kicked out of home and live on the street selling sex for hormones.

The second group are the late on-set, the autogynophiles (or autoandrophiles for women). This hits out of the blue around 35. The transition very fast. They are often hyper-masculine, maybe have kids and often stay married. They are often successful having a median IQ of 127 (although this may be self-selection bias). They are useless at picking up the other genders affect. They are nearly entirely heterosexual. They desire women so much they want to become one. Mild cases look like weekend cross dressers, full blown cases are shambling disasters. Think Jenner, the Wachowski Sisters, Martinne Rothblatt, and Laura Jane Grace.

Total rejection by society, loss of social dominance, rejection by loved ones, degrading oneself abjectly, cutting your own ****ing dick off... This is all *less* painful than continuing life as one was shat upon the world.

Nobody kills themselves as fast as these people. The also have an astonishingly high rate of getting murdered. Transition regret rate is 1%, but they still kill themselves higher than that. Different people have different levels of transition necessary to treat it, and some can't go far enough ever.

Its a cruel defect. A cure would be wonderful.

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Its not mere unhappiness. It's an urgent desire to escape your body strong enough to over-come self preservation instincts which are not inhibited, unlike with depression.

Of course it's "mere" unhappiness. Obviously, if one commits suicide over it, then you're really ****ing unhappy, but it is STILL the same emotion -- just very strongly-felt.

The strength of said unhappiness is not the issue -- it's the factual impossibility of actually becoming what one desires.

I do not CARE what someone chooses to do about that, other than when they demand that I not only recognize but go along with a claim of a thing that is factually impossible.

That's feeding a delusion and delusions ARE a mental illness.

If I am profoundly unhappy with the fact that I'm a man and I decide to cut my dick off and have implants put in my chest so it appears I have breasts, along with taking hormones to inhibit this and express that, I am now a man who looks like a woman. I am not a woman because that is physically impossible. It became physically impossible at the moment of my conception and there is nothing I can do about it.

If my unhappiness is predicated on not being a woman then I might be less-unhappy following my appointment with the scalpel but I'm still going to be unhappy because I'm still not what I want to be!

Recognizing that (1) one is unhappy with a situation, (2) that one cannot change the root of it but might be able to "mask" it in some way by making superficial changes (e.g. to one's appearance) and (3) the gravity of such a change, if not simply superficial via one's choice of what clothes to wear, make-up, etc -- that is, when you resort to cutting things off you're doing that which you cannot undo and if it doesn't sate your unhappiness you're truly ****ed -- is important.

Feeding any part of a delusion about these facts is both idiotic and severely abusive toward the person in question. Further, it destroys any social requirement or expectation that said person deal with facts in any other area of their life, and for that reason is extraordinarily dangerous both to them and to anyone else who is relying on the result of interactions with them!

Incidentally that also goes toward any claim that others have a duty to pay for attempting to sate your unhappiness. No, they do not, and any such claim is horse****. If you're profoundly unhappy with your draw in the DNA lottery you're free to try to sate that problem but the expense of doing so, whatever it winds up being, is on YOU, not anyone else.

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Many of the projects that I'm working on are now being designed with 'non gender' bathrooms on each floor. One particular building is costing north of $380 per square foot, with each of these rooms taking about 200 SF. This is in addition to lactation rooms and family bathrooms.

By the way, most of these projects are K-12 schools....
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Idiom wrote..
The first survey I have seen cited to point to large numbers of post transition suicide asked whether people had attempted suicide but not when. Lifetime suicide attempts were thus unsurprisingly high.

Ok, so I ran this one down. You're being (intentionally?) dishonest.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2136....

The Study wrote..
RESULTS:
The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8-4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8-62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9-8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0-3.9). Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results. Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls.
CONCLUSIONS:
Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

You CLAIMED that the "only" study included LIFETIME suicide attempts (which would encompass attempts PRIOR to surgery.) That's a lie; the study only looked at POST surgery attempts.

In other words it is in fact exactly as I noted in the Ticker -- that "reassignment surgery" does not reliably sate the unhappiness and that unhappiness, in many cases, remains profound enough that the person kills themselves after the surgery.

Since you can't change your mind after such a procedure and the procedure itself is a lie by its very name (you can't "reassign" someone's sex; you can only alter their outward appearance!) the very premise of such surgery is feeding a delusion.

To call it "plastic surgery" would be accurate; that's what it is. It changes one's appearance, but it does not change the fact of one's sex -- because you can't.

Further plastic surgery is not anyone else's obligation but boy oh boy do people who are unhappy with their sex do their level damndest best to make OTHERS pay for THIS type of plastic surgery.

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I just finished a 100 level "women and gender studies" class in college 2 weeks ago.

Do not expect logic or reason to manifest itself when it comes to this subject, especially amongst the believers of it. The entire field is rife with academic fraud (check out the fru ha ha over an intentionally manufactured academic "study" called The Penis As A Social Construct), and is not logically consistent internally.

It is, to put it bluntly, a cult.

All of it is based on post modernism, and as such, must be considered suspect on it's face.
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Burya_rubenstein - "I thought this article was going to be about why you shouldn't eat like a horse (ie oats, wheat, and other grains)."

But it is about some people getting ridden like one.

I am one who really does not care what people decide to do in their private lives, however if my understanding is correct our AHCA dollars and in some cases tax dollars are going to people so they can change their physical bodies.

I know for a fact (Not just because TSherry also says so) our tax dollars are going to indoctrinate our children. and what TSherry is talking about is only the tip of the iceberg.

I have tried to have rational conversations with people about this specifically Bruce. One person could not understand how I could/would continue to call him Bruce.

Yea this article might not be about eating like a horse, but as a tax payers we are being ridden pretty hard.



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I've noticed something else with this. This is anecdata, mind you, so season with salt.

An acquaintance (and former friend) began hanging out with a local pagan group about 15 years ago. Cool, whatever. As time went on though, I noted multiple things started happening. First, that the dude started being less masculine in general and kowtowing to whatever the liberal shibboleth of the day was. In time, he and his circle of friends managed to alienate a lot of people who otherwise would have hung out with them more often. Second, that all the women in the group (and most of the men) started getting fatter and less healthy in general. Third, that they became more hostile towards members of their outgroup (in particular to Christians). Fourth, that anyone who was similarly messed up was awarded instant membership in the group, even if they puked on somebody's dog and stole from them during parties to buy drugs (true story, bro, saw that one, had already started to distance myself from them when that one happened). Fifth, that they despised any person who started working towards their own success in any way (which is why I was already on my way out).

Fast forward to five years ago, and the first person in their social circle gets their talleywhacker cut off to "become a girl". They are "so brave", etc., etc., ad nauseum. In other words, people that haven't done much worthy of praise in their life, suddenly get all kinds of attention. The fourth member of the group just got his dick cut off a few weeks ago, to markedly more tepid applause.

Now, granted, these weren't psychologically healthy people in the first place, but it's passing strange the way that this particular practice worked its way through the group in a manner that one would expect of a slow contagion. This leads me to believe that a lot of the unhappiness has a lot more to do with the mental state one has in their social circle than any genetic/hormonal or other biological precursors. This means that modeling this as a contagion seems to be (while strictly inaccurate from a causative stance) a fairly good predictive model. It's contagious memetics leading to self-mutilation.

It occurs to me that if any substantial portion of the degenerate freakshow mafia that makes up the hard left has modeled this in their heads the same way I have, then certain markers will appear in their behavior. Such as trying to make sure that your children are surrounded with this filth and that normal relationships (and normal people) are treated as depraved, broken, etc., while people exhibiting the new behavior are "cool". In other words, take the model of what I saw with a group of acquaintances, scale it up and put it in the elementary schools.

This is not to say that there is some big conspiracy here to turn everyone's kids into degenerate weirdos. There isn't. But damn does it do the job for a predictive model of behavior. Ignore obvious enough truths and the mental contortions required to maintain that state will destroy any other truth in your life. And if you are polite to people who ignore truth, eventually it will get you too.

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The entire "transgender" philosophy pushes the idea that the hardware and software don't match.

Think about it in those terms.

If I was a dog that thought I could fly, because I identified with being an eagle, is the hardware wrong or the software?

If I drive a Tesla, but the software loaded the software for a M1A1 Abrams tank, is that not messed up? Is the software valid or the hardware? Common sense says the hardware is correct and the software is wrong.

Back to humans...

For a "transgender," they are saying they were born with the wrong hardware, but the software is just fine. "Wrong body," or some such insanity...

Think about it. The hardware is (in all but a few freak cases) just fine. XY = male, XX=female. That's science, and anything else is pure delusion. Remember, the proponents of this crap are usually the very first to point to Christians and demean them for their lack of science.

If the software and the hardware don't match, the software is wrong. Normal people, not subject to a lifetime of a North Korean brainwashing on the subject, would call this "mental illness."

There. I said it. It's obvious.

You can say that the mental illness is not a fault, but merely a reality. Fine. Mal-socialization and iron-fisted forced acceptance of this bizarre behavior will likely cause more mental illness, which is what we see in the trends on this matter. If you ratify and support something, you get more of it.

The hardware (chromosomal structure) is not fluid. It is set at conception AND DOES NOT CHANGE!!! NOT A SINGLE TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY!!!!.

The software is fluid, and the latest "build" from the crazy society we live in corrupts the software and operating system.

NORMAL PEOPLE CALL THIS MENTAL ILLNESS. It is so by definition.


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Sorry, disagree.

Being unhappy with what you drew in the genetic lottery isn't illness. It in fact is normal. We all are less than perfectly happy with our draw. There are merely varying degrees of being unhappy.

But -- to claim you are what you're not -- that is something else entirely.

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I think we agree. I wish I was 3" taller and had blue eyes. That's not mental illness. Telling everyone I am 6'-4" with blue eyes, when I am 6-1 and hazel eyes (and believing it) IS mental illness, albeit slight when compared to thinking I am a horse.

Thinking I am a chick, horse, frog, or GMC Jimmy IS mental illness.

Wanting to be a chick and thinking I am a chick are two different things, IMHO.

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It is accepted dogma within the gender studies crowd that gender is divorced from biological sex, and that gender is a social construct.

Expression of sexual desire is also considered a social construct.

My class spend a whole week on this, with guest speakers (who all happened to be gender studies majors, big surprise there).

To all of you, and to me, it is patently insane, but to them, it is accepted "fact." They have this gigantic oppression pecking order based on gender/sexuality terminology, and while I was sitting there in class listening to this BS my mind was screaming at me "CULT!!!!"

Carl is really just scratching the surface on how deep this rabbit hole is, and what should scare all of you is that these cultists are now in your schools, teaching your children. They also have the hears of your legislators, and are having laws written with their cult dogma in mind. Dissent from this dogma will be, in a few short years, punishable with criminal prosecution.

Dissent will not be tolerated. I've been inside the belly of the beast, and it brooks no dissent.
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What torques me more than anything about the whole trans-gender thing is when I hear parents talking about 4 and 5 year olds being trans-gender. Just how ****ed up are these parents and how are they raising these kids? Most kids that age understand their are boys and girls, and that is about it. They have no real comprehension of sex or sexual orientation at such a young age.

All I can think is what horrible parents to put these kind of ideas in a kids head at such an early age. I agree, chromosomes cannot be changed, you are what you are, and that is male or female. You can be straight, gay or bi, but from what I have read most bi people gravitate to gay as they age. In other they are unsure or afraid to admit their sexual preference. The rest is all bull****.

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Dissent will not be tolerated. I've been inside the belly of the beast, and it brooks no dissent.

Well then, just one question: How well do they shoot?

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"Gender Dysphoria" is a diagnosable mental illness, according to DSM V. But instead of treating the illness, society today enables it.

When does the insanity stop?

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When you stop putting up with that ****.

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That's the question, Karl,
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How well do they shoot?
Not as well as I do, hopefully.

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You are behind the times. It's now LGBTQIAP. I is for intersex, A is for asexual, and P is for pansexual. It's getting beyond ridiculous.


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Karl, then there's this.... LMFAO... if straight men don't want to date "trans women" - that's "misplaced and inappropriate" LOL. I worked with a trans dude / girl. He was total proof of mental illness. Hated everyone, but was untouchable in his job from an HR perspective. Any questioning of his work product raised accusations of discrimination. Not to mention he was a dick to everyone in the office about just about everything. GLad i quit that job. Check out this story and color yourself shocked!

http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/07/02....

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Regarding you are not a horse:

Ok, I appreciate your analysis on the subject! I feel the cultural personal vibe all around us in our community! It's a struggle and your simplifying the gender topic is generous and intelligent. So... I have been longtime friends in these various LGBTQP communities my whole life and now I want to add "GG" lives. Girl Girls. They need representation! Agree, surgery is extreme and if mental health advocates/insurance is available could be avoided. Mental Health is a real thing that should be more available. I have not checked into it. Thanks for the insight!


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Ok, I'll come out in the open, as a life long supporter of LBGT. liberty, beer, guns, and titties. Not necessarily in that order. And I'm Bi, by the way, or Bismuth.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3934423/ge....

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Canadian Kori Doty, who has a moustache and claims to be neither male or female, has been fighting to keep Searyl Atlis gender off government records since giving birth last November.

Doty, who prefers to be referred to as they rather than he or she, told CBC they are raising Searyl in such a way that until they have the sense of self and command of vocabulary to tell me who they are.


And here's a picture of "they":


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