Conservatives: Drop Amazon Prime NOW
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2017-06-12 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Conservatives: Drop Amazon Prime NOW
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If you weren't outraged before you certainly have reason to be now -- both at Amazon and the press.

First, Amazon.  They're now "offering" to anyone on welfare reduced-price "Prime" memberships.  

Let's cut this down to size: There is utterly nothing that "Prime" offers that one can today, or should be able to now or in the future, buy with "food stamps" (electronic or not.)  Prime's "pantry" items are all, by definition (sorry folks, truly fresh food that is not laden with sugars and hydrogenated oils doesn't ship well!) high carb trash.

A big part of the reason we have a monstrous obesity epidemic in this country, especially among poor people, is that we stopped handing out literal government cheese (and eggs, meats, etc) as "food assistance" and went first to coupons and then to what are effectively prepaid debit cards.  Yes, there are "some" restrictions (e.g. no booze purchases, etc) but if you look at what's in a typical EBT shopper's cart you will find things that will both make you fat and diabetic.

True "government cheese", when it was how food assistance was distributed, was both nutritious and did not promote obesity and metabolic dysfunction.

Amazon today cannot take an EBT card.  But they are lobbying to be allowed to, and if they are permitted to do so that will simply make the obesity and diabetes problem worse among the poor.  Unless you support abusing poor people that standing alone is enough to cancel your PRIME membership and tell Amazon to **** off.

But it's not standing alone.  In addition by definition you are subsidizing poor people when you buy a membership and someone else gets the same thing at a lower price.  It's the same deal with colleges; your kid pays full price because you're not poor and the kid next to yours gets the same thing but pays less - or nothing.  Who do you think paid his tuition?  Your kid did.

Do you support this?  Well, in the case of college the government effectively forces this transfer program today -- that is, they force the theft of your (or your kid's) money, including forcing him or her into debt.

But in this case you have a means of pushing back -- hard.

Discontinue your Prime membership and tell Amazon to **** off.

If you're a Conservative you either do exactly that today or you are not a conservative -- you're a closet liberal redistribution supporter and you're confirming that by your VOLUNTARY action.

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Did this exact thing last week after reading about it.
**** off Amazon! No more Prime for me. Not going to subsidize the FSA.

Didn't have any kids, either, so the colleges get the middle finger too!

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Did that the day they announced it last week. Been getting pretty pissed at Amazon lately anyway and this just pushed me over the edge. Don't need them.
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I normally don't fill in information why I unsubscribe to a website or service, but this time I did. I'm sure no one will give a ****, but it made me feel better...

Grammar: the difference between knowing your **** and knowing you're ****.
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I will have to think about this. Amazon is very convenient. I hate shopping. And I look at it as a business decision. Most likely I will ignore this and continue as a Prime member or shut off Amazon altogether. I absolutely despise Bezos so that might make the decision easier.

I think its time we ask ourselves if we still know the freedoms that our founding fathers intended for us. Ronald Reagan 1964
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I buy stuff off Amazon all the time and never ever thought that the $49 prime membership was worth it. I'll wait five to seven days there has never been a time that I needed something in two days.
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Prime only has $59 a year in VALUE now, Amazon saids so.

So for them to be charging me $99 for something that THEY say isn't even worth that much.

I was born at night, but not last night.

Amazon, make it $59 for everyone or bye bye.

Banks and governments depends on the real producers of the economythe people (workers) and the industrial corporations. IF these stop producing, both the banks and governments fall flat. (Gail Tverberg)
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Bezos has been dumping on anything White/Conservative for some time now.

You can buy a Che Guevara T-shirt or an ISIS flag on not the Confederate Battle Flag/Navy Jack because that is deemed a "symbol of hate".

Whites enjoy hating themselves. The original religion of the White-man was guilt and self-loathing.

The typical modern "conservative" is a push-over. They call for traditional values and conservatism, but they'll back down anytime a zealot challenges them. Modern Christian churches bending to the will of Feminism comes to mind.

Bezos will get what he wants. He has money, influence, & the will to fight and stomp on anyone that challenges him.
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@Themortgagedude, we have found that many of the sellers on Amazon also sell on eBay. Also, you can many times get a better deal going through the website of the third party seller because they don't have to pay Amazon's fees. If you continue to subsidize Bezos, you really can't complain about the leeches. Everything he does is calculated to benefit him, even the program they have that donates a small amount of your transaction to the charity of your choice. They get the deduction for a donation to the charity, not you. But it sounds good, because it makes you feel like you are donating to your cause.

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How is this even legal? Honest question...
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Makes me wonder where does it end? I thought this kind of crap was supposed to be illegal. It's amazing how these businesses believe they have carte blanche to do anything and then use the "poor" as an EXCUSE to justify their actions as a means to silence critics.

What's next - discounts on merchandise based on your income level or tiered pricing based upon your income, age, or sex from a merchant licensed to sale to the public?

Of course they need to lobby for this to GET AROUND the LAW. And in the end if Amazon does it why not everyone else? These people are intent on following the health care model of pricing - rip off the consumer at every opportunity by obfuscating the pricing and forcing others to subsidize.

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Working people...get ready for your prime membership to keep increasing.

But, oh well, some people have more money than sense.

I lived over 40 years without Amazon and 50+ without prime. No problem doing it again.
Going back to the good ol days.

Thanks Karl. I had not heard about this.
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Done. More corporate welfare. This country is cooked.
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How is this not price discrimination (and therefore illegal)?

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our Light, and not our Darkness, that most frightens us. -- Marianne Williamson
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Letter to Amazon:

I will not be renewing my Amazon Prime membership and I will also be cancelling all subscriptions to Amazon Services - digital or otherwise by the end of the current prime membership period.

Why? -unfair and illegal pricing. You cannot discriminate on pricing based on income or an EBT card.

It is obvious you think you somehow have the right to created tiered pricing based on person's level of income which is ILLEGAL. If you are going to offer ~$72.00/year memberships for people with EBT cards then I demand you do this for everyone!

It is obvious you are stealing from other customers to subsidize this monstrosity.

Furthermore the counterfeit junk you peddle along with your counterfeit food with little food nutritional value in your so called "pantry" only ads to the obesity epidemic among the poor.

I will have dispensed with your all services by the time my prime membership renewal re-occurs. You will NOT get away with using the "poor" as a crutch to justify your illegal actions.

Furthermore I will be contacting my congress persons and senators to block you at every step for any lobby action from this day forward. I and other Americans sick of criminal monopolies will also hit you where it hurts the most - in your pocketbook.

Adios Pendejos *

(*I through that in to make their politically correct heads explode.)

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If one wanted to be as big of an ******* as possible maybe find something where they lose money on every sale and help them make it up in volume

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Called them up last week, told them it was BS and I wouldn't be renewing 6/14/17 when my Prime was up for renewal. F them...
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Let's not forget that the people who get these benefits are not necessarily "poor", but rather they are low income. We need to remember that trust fund-ians also qualify, as do retired people.

I know of many wealthy "low income" people who send their children to private schools through these types of income based loopholes. This applies to private schools and colleges (income based scholarships), health insurance subsidies (income based), as well as the "small stuff" like EBT cards, cell phones, "low income" housing, and now Prime.

Who pays for all this? The regular working people who cannot hide their income. The "rich" don't pay because their wealth (usually based on stock value) is not income. The only way I know of to avoid this is to start or grow a company and be paid through stock valuation rather than taxable income. This is how people become rich.

(I have nothing against rich people, and hope to be one someday. I have a problem with a lying political class & media who are trying to convince us that they will "tax the rich" by taking more money from people who work. Taxing income is a stupid idea because it discourages people from working, and rewarding people for not working is even worse.)

The media doesn't report any of this, so there is no push to rectify it. Instead they keep pushing the stupid idea that we should take from people who work and give to people who don't.
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Even before this announcement I'd been switching my online purchases away from Amazon. Their prices aren't competitive, their 2-day shipping is hit or miss because of their alliance with the USPS who is swamped and incompetent in my area. There is nothing on Amazon, especially the food items, that anybody should be buying with other people's money. I'm done with Amazon Prime.

I also boycott a farmer's market in my area that gives a 50% discount to EBT card purchasers. And they got sanctimonious when I said I refused to be charged double what other people are charged, especially when those other people are using some of my money. "I don't want the poor to get a break, I'm not charged more - the others are charged less, etc." I left. We'll see how long that market lasts when the only shoppers use EBT cards.

As for college, no loans. Never! It can be done. My kids took 40-50 hours of credit with them from high school to college. And academic scholarships. They supplemented with jobs. One got out early and the other is on track to do the same.
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Working people, look for your membership to be increasing soon. Enjoy!

Lived for over 40 years without Amazon and over 50 without prime.

Nothing from Amazon is urgent and I got free shipping most of the time anyway, without prime.

Going back to that.
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First of all Amazon has to get this approved. The EBT cards can only be used to buy food that can be taken home and prepared. No paper products, no smokes, and no booze. I don't see this going anywhere. I believe Amazon has made a BIG mistake in even asking for approval. No matter what the cost of Prime is it can not be paid with the use of the EBT card. What we don't know is if Amazon asked for any restrictions to be waved. I guess I will hold off on this like TMD and see where it goes. I will also be sending a message to Amazon customer service and everyone should do the same at CIS@AMAZON.

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I've been on a spree cancelling accounts all over. This was an easy one. Unfortunately, we had already paid through Jan 18, but was able to cancel auto-renewal.

Next, getting off Gmail and all Alphabet products. I've had a Gmail account since it was in beta (96?), back when Google was cool. Have to spin up an instance of postfix/dovecot/spamassissin for my person domain. Debating whether to do this on a DigitalOcean droplet or host at home. Disadvantage of home hosting is a use dynamic dns. I don't know if mx records like that.

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On a related topic I enraged some "free market conservative" people on facefart for suggesting that farmers crying about the lack of "migrant workers" pay people a higher wage to pick grapes. They bleat the argument that "Americans won't do the work" so therefore we need wetbacks to do so. For $22 hr quoted in said article, you could bus people in from low wage states to California for seasonal work instead of Mexico. After more bleating I reminded them that US government subsidizes staple grains first then gives away the subsidized food to people through SNAP and EBT and finally subsidizes labor by bringing in cheap migrant labor.

Why would you work for food when the government gives it to you for doing nothing? I'm becoming pessimistic on the future when the handouts slowdown or stop.
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Before we all jump off into emotion and irrationality let me point out something on this.

While I do bemoan the fact that if you have a EBT card you can get a discounted Prime membership face the fact that EBT cards are accepted at lot of places.

I was a manager at Walmart and for time a ran one of their front end operations at the store level. One of my constant headaches was dealing with EBT Card, Snap, and various government assistance programs. I used to rail at all of it, especially those trying to get the most expensive items on their EBT cards rather than the cheapest and those eligible for the program.

I finally got curious and wanted to know approximately how much of our grocery business was EBT related. Imagine my surprise when I found out that about $15 to 20 Billion was in the mix and a similar situation at all the other grocery chains. They are all dependent on the bottom line for this business and make no mistake it is Big Business.

So is it any surprise that which I remind you is also trying to break into the grocery business, wants a piece of that action? They are looking at trying to get Billions in new revenues and this is just the teaser to get into the door. Their teaser here is also promising 20% off on Diapers, which is exactly what EBT Card folks need in abundance.

Look we can't boycott everyplace taking EBT Cards, I guess all we can is as Val Kilmer's character Doc Holliday said in the movie "Tomstone", "My hypocrisy only goes so far".
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No can do. I don't have an Amazon membership to cancel.
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