You're All Idiots
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2017-05-09 09:45 by Karl Denninger
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You're All Idiots
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Jesus, Bezos believes you're a complete, ****ing idiot.

Amazon has introduced a "new" Echo device.  Having convinced a number of people to allow them to stick an always on speaker and microphone in their house with the data going to Amazon and whoever else they wish they have now upped the game with both a camera and screen.

Gee, that's real nice.  A camera and microphone inexorably tied to and controlled by a big company in your house where it can and will transmit both audio and video under their, not your, control.

If I see one of these in your house I know for a fact that you're stupid -- and I'm immediately leaving, never to return.

If this doesn't result in Amazon blowing up (literally) and actually finds acceptance -- by anyone -- then I know this nation is flat-out beyond stupid and into the realm of being owned by these guys.

Oh, and the government.  And hackers.

PS: If I was a professional thief I could trivially get a target list of people that have these things even if I can't decode the traffic.  Think about it for 30 seconds or so and you'll realize how and why and no, there really isn't any reliable way to mitigate that risk either.

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Quik49
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yup....have an idiot neighbor with an earlier one...told him I will not come anywhere near his house....how ****ing stupid can a person be....apparently quite.

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Steph4liberty
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The stupid...it burns.

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Redbrian
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Everyone needs a little encouragement...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCfW6HFP....
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Hstella
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This is why we don't have a Nest in our house. I will not have anything made by Google or Amazon or similar in my home.
Tickerguy
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My software and systems that run my home are ENTIRELY private. Even the certificates they use are privately-generated.

Oh, and I've found plenty of devices that like to "phone home." When I get something that I allow to attach one of the first things I do is stick my packet sniffer on and see what it does. If I catch it "phoning home" other than on my specific request then it goes into the "black network" where it can't see anything except the Internet (not even other devices on said black network!) AND I stick specific filters in the gateway to block it from being able to call whoever it's trying to reach. If you don't tell me what you're intending to do then the automatic answer is "No."

IP Webcams and similar are the worst offenders, but hardly the only ones.

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Winding it down.

Bagbalm
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Prediction - Some politician who is too stupid to use e-mail (you have a choice of several) will stick this in his bedroom and them complain that he was 'hacked' when somebody publishes video of him with a couple hookers.
Snowman
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I've got a hardwired Axis video system at home, no connectivity to the net, not even wifi. With IR and other detectors I'll find out and see if someone has been at home or is outside. My security company asked to get access to the real time video feed if the alarm goes, but I don't think there is any real good, safe way to protect this feed over IP? Or being overly careful?
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There IS a reasonably-safe way -- an IPSEC tunnel.

But without that? I wouldn't let them anywhere near it.

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Winding it down.
Vernonb
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Bagbalm said:
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Prediction - Some politician who is too stupid to use e-mail (you have a choice of several) will stick this in his bedroom and them complain that he was 'hacked' when somebody publishes video of him with a couple hookers.

You forgot the suitcase full of cocaine and an autographed photo of Anthony Wiener!
Welcome to voyeur nation. Don't look - you might become blind.-lol
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Can you see someone grabbing this thing and posting the feed to public webcam pages? The Big Brother 'reality' show just got real starring the consumer.

But then again these are the same people pushing companies to use server systems outside of their control for sensitive data in the 'cloud.' Look at the supposedly knowledgeable people that believe in that paradigm.

Also makes me wonder if these things have buffer systems to store and transmit info at a later date in case of a "network interruption".

It's amazing how much personal freedom people will give up not for security but for frivolous convenience, entertainment, and trend following. I call them morons.




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Jymm
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Idiots will probably put it in their bedrooms. Seems Amazon wants to put the porn makers out of business. You could be the next star. LOL

Look at all the fools with that kind of crap on "the cloud". Oh my, someone hacked and stole my personal, private and embarrassing photos and movies. How could I have ever imagined that?

See the long line of "Stars" that have been hacked. Lawsuits coming soon.
Jofg
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unfortunately these will find acceptance. Just look at all the privacy invasion the public has (gradually) allowed year over year over year. Just another step.....
Mannfm11
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PT Barnham lives again. I, for one, will NEVER Do business with AMAZON Again. The fact Bezos has been empowered by financial forces to create a model that is Ponzi financed, is enough. That he owns the king of fake media, besides CNN is icing on the cake. Stupid does as stupid does. Anyone want this statist's nose in your business?

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Enapa
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Crazy ass idiots. I recently bought a couple laptops. Before turning them on for the first time I put black electrical tape over the cameras and I put them on airplane mode when not in use. My wife said I was paranoid. I don't care.
Village-idjit
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My Sister & Brother in Law have the voice only version. I have to remember when the wife and I are visiting that "everything that I say can and will be held against me in a court of law!" I think the telescreen in the lobby of my credit union also has voice listening capability. It is crazy to see all the devices that spy and listen in on what folks are doing.

This is just the next step on the slippery slope that already is well underway, from our portable GPS tracking units (cell phones) and thru all the apps that market you and your personal business to companies and no doubt Uncle Sammie.

Looks like the two-way "telescreen" of Orwell's "1984" is here. Wow.
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I was at a wine-tasting party the other night and I was raging pretty hard about DUI no-harm no-foul and how stupid the laws are.

Reddit is showing me only ads for DUI lawyers for the past few days.

Max_planck
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@ Ckaminski - Pulling our collective leg? Or are you asserting that the DUI lawyer ad sever connected you to your home IP based on voice recognition? Social network? Spoken name? Phone GPS?
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Will never use one of these gadgets. Or a smart tv. Webcam on my laptop is covered w/electrical tape. Don't use Siri.

If that makes me a tin-foil hat-wearing freak, so be it. I'll wear that hat with pride, thank you.
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@Max:

It probably also doesn't help that I found Google voice recognition on AGAIN on my phone. Pretty sure I killed it after a bunch of us started discussing Burger King's "OK Google" campaign and I found my phone doing random **** while it was in my pocket. Guess I didn't.

> Webcam on my laptop is covered w/electrical tape.

I'm not quite that paranoid, but I definitely don't like the idea of always-on microphones I don't control.
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I own an 8 year old Toshiba laptop that still flawlessly runs Windows 7 and the camera and microphone have both been covered with electrical tape since day one.
I have a 5 year old Motorola Droid-Mini smartphone. I do not have a single app running on it. I did not even activate the GPS app when I originally purchased the phone and I never will. I prefer to use those ancient archaic flimsy devices known as paper maps.
My Samsung 51" flat panel tv was purchased 4 years ago and is not a smart tv.

I do not own and will never own any device that I positively know can spy on me.
Now where the hell did I put my tin-foil hat :)
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Unfortunately, I was in the "gee whiz, isn't that neat" category for a long time. So I'm assuming Google knows all there is to know about me. At least I can make the other outfits pay Google for the information though, by sticking with one platform.

I've got enough anti-tracking stuff on my PC browsers that the only "relevant ads" I see are if I come by somewhere I have adblocker off (like here), and even then all the ads are all for things I've looked at on my phone.

Voice recognition is too handy to not use on my phone in the car. I've judged the risk/reward and made my choice. If someday I decide to plan a revolution or something, I'll alter my habits.
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Someone here recommended "Bleack Mirror" on Netflix ... Yes, I watched the three seasons.

Season Three, Episode 3 ...

Not past the imagination.

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> 5 year old Motorola Droid-Mini smartphone

If that's the black slider, I had that too. IIRC it's still stuck on Android 2.2 and that thing is so full of security holes I wouldn't allow it to be powered on in my presence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Droid

It was a great phone though. I woke up on morning @ 4:30 AM to it randomly calling people in my recent callers list. I suppose I could have done it accidently in my sleep, but still WTF...

http://www.zdnet.com/article/android-you....
> Last week, Google issued a patch for the Stagefright vulnerability -- the nasty one, where the device can be compromised by sending it an MMS message. It affects every Android version since 2.2, an estimated 950 million devices in use worldwide.

I gifted mine to someone who needed a free phone.

> I prefer to use those ancient archaic flimsy devices known as paper maps.
I still keep a crap-ton of maps in my car. Never know when the batteries are going to die, or maybe we end up in a war and they turn selective availability on again. I prefer to use offline GPS tools - some of the apps based on OpenStreetMaps are pretty nice. And my Garmin can never phone home...
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