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Traumaboyy
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The weight may not move much first couple weeks. When I first started it seemed like two or three weeks before the scales say anything. What I and my wife DID notice was clothes getting loose and chins shrinking. Stay with it....never look back. Also study up on the healthy fats. BE CAREFUL WITH LARD!!!! That Green label **** they sell at WalFart is Hydrogenated and has that other stuff I can't remember in it but it is really BAD!! We went to a local Butcher and got some pig fat and rendered it down. Put in refrigerator and it is good for about a year in my experience.
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If lard is on the shelf unrefrigerated, it has additives.

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If lard is on the shelf unrefrigerated, it has additives.

Exactly. And you should NOT buy or use it.

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Mooreupp
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Very useful thread. Thanks guys.

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Drifter
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A friend sent me this, as proof that my low carb diet is nuts-- a study that says that pasta is the best, healthiest food ever, which was paid by the National Pasta Association.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/....

For those just getting started in this, I recommend reading Gary Taubes. I'm in the middle of Jason Fung's 'Obesity Code'. In addition to what Karl has beat saying for so many years, he is also recommending intermittent fasting and vinegar consumption. He says a couple of teaspoons before a high glycemic index meal can lower blood sugar and insulin levels by 34%.

Anyway, just throwing that out there for your information.

One last thing: you cannot believe the pushback I got from a now ex-gf and friends over me cutting carbs and losing weight. It did not make any rational sense. I guess some gals like Buddha bellies...

Don't give up.

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One last thing: you cannot believe the pushback I got from a now ex-gf and friends over me cutting carbs and losing weight. It did not make any rational sense. I guess some gals like Buddha bellies...

I'll tell you what's going on there, because I've experienced it too:

They're threatened by your success -- they have been told, and BELIEVE, that THEIR expanding waistline is just part of getting older AND HAVING IT "IN THEIR FACE" that they're full of **** is SEVERELY threatening to their "all bodies are beautiful" bull****.

I can't tell you how many of these people, including some who are IN MEDICINE and WAY overweight, have told me that what I'm doing is going to kill me.

My only reply to them is "I bet you croak from your obesity before I do from my diet that has resulted in my LACK OF obesity."

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Isn't that the truth, I have breakfast at the same restaurant every morning,

2 eggs over medium well with cheddar cheese melted on top(sometimes 3)
5 strips of bacon, soft
a glass of water and all the coffee I can drink.

a few of the guys, younger and shorter than me and they waddle when they walk tell me that I'm killing myself eating this stuff as they stuff a waffle in their mouth.

You can't fix stupid,

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"I bet you croak from your obesity before I do from my diet that has resulted in my LACK OF obesity."
And you'll live to collect on that bet.

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Yep.

BTW the women are the worst in this regard.... Statistically speaking (there are of course exceptions) they seem to be REALLY threatened by a guy who was fat and now.... Isn't.

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Gen wrote..
BTW the women are the worst in this regard.... Statistically speaking (there are of course exceptions) they seem to be REALLY threatened by a guy who was fat and now.... Isn't.
Ain't it the bloody truth? I've been living it since March 15, 2016.

Living it and loving it!

72-77 pounds lost, and I look kind of emaciated, but I feel fine and can't wait for my blood-work review next month.

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Hmm. I met a guy in a meetup who was losing pounds visibly. He mentioned Gary Taubes, and showed me a photo of himself a year and a hundredish pounds earlier. Amazing, and it got me to really look into HFLC, at about the same time I started seeing it pop up in the threads here. The last time I saw him he introduced me to his girlfriend and was looking great (no, he did not ever ask me out). He had previously gained weight with a made-at-home vegan diet. He was also initially so heavy that he couldn't really exercise due to the potential damage to his joints. Losing a huge amount of weight makes even walking so much better, not to mention a little weightlifting - how would you even do a pull up? I've been on HFLC for about 5 years, even though I only needed to lose about 10 lb. I lost that amount, but more importantly, the horrible cystic acne that I had all over my back for 15 years (even after taking Accutane as a teenager - that fixed only my face) went away. Even the old scarring faded away. Can I still find things that I dislike about my body? Sure. I think my knees are flabby and wish I had anything like visible muscle tone. But you can't have Marilyn Monroe curves without some thighs. I don't have to cake on makeup because - hey, my face looks pretty good with just a little mascara. My various "digestive issues" didn't go away, but sure did improve. I'm trying to get my husband back on the diet; he fell off the wagon for a couple of months.
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How many carbs per day? I'm at 20 today.

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I shoot for under 50

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Mr. Denninger, I wanted to thank you. I went from 195 pounds to 170 pounds, which looks better on a 5 foot 10 male frame. The best benefit is fasting blood sugar went from 112 to 82. A1c has stayed at 5.5 over the last few months. Diabetes is rampant in my family, as both of my sisters got it. My older sister eventually died from complications of diabetes. Following the diet is easy, altho I became painfully constipated initially. This was my own dumb@@@ mistake and easily cured with ground flaxseed every morning at breakfast.

I will turn 62 shortly, and hope to avoid the family curse of diabetes. Thank you for extending my lifespan :-)
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My hunch is that women are get threatened when their beau starts getting options. The nice complacency of maintenance sex might not cut it anymore if they start becoming attractive to women 1/2 a guy's age + 7.

Women over 30 want your security, not your dong.
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But to get into keto do you need to stay below some low number?

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I think it's simpler than that Drifter -- they get threatened when their "worldview" is threatened.

That worldview is comprised of a few falsehoods, one of which is really bad news when it gets blown up:

"We all get fatter as we age." Most women know damn well they were far less fat when they were 18 than they are now. Then again most men were less-fat at 18 too! This is a big part of the entire screamfest, nearly all of it coming from women, on the "body-shaming" thing. Women will dismiss someone who never got fat as "genetics" (which is sometimes true for both men and women) but when they see someone who they either knew when he was fat, or even worse watched him go from fat to not that blows their false belief to bits because that obviously isn't explainable by genetics. It's a particular problem if THEY are overweight by any material amount and ESPECIALLY if they have followed what they believe is a "healthy" lifestyle but are STILL overweight!

From there things go to **** fast. It's not so much "competition" (e.g. you might look good to a 25 year old all of a sudden) but that they know their "belief" is wrong and that you can't be convinced it's right because you're walking proof of its falsity.

Suddenly you're dangerous -- not because you might choose to **** a 25 year old, but because every second they spend around you they cannot evade the fact that if they're overweight it's due to the choices they make -- and which they can reverse, but won't.

I've had a few women who are quite overweight tell me they eat "low-carb." Obviously not. But if they were to ever get involved with me the falsity of their statement would be instantly apparent, because as soon as you start eating around this house what you get for breakfast has no carbs in it, is served around 10 or 11 in the morning and other than a bit of BBQ sauce dinner usually doesn't have any carbs in it either!

Now what? Start hauling in the tubs of ice cream or chips and, well, there goes the claim that you're doing it and "it doesn't work", right?

Never mind that if I get invited to spend the night there it'll be obvious in the morning as well when the toast-n-jelly or bagels-n-cream-cheese comes out....

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Tickerguy
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But to get into keto do you need to stay below some low number?

Buy some ketostix and******on them. They don't lie.

To a material degree the amount of carb you can consume and remain in keto is related to your level of exercise -- low-level exercise doesn't drive up the amount of carb you can consume by much, but 3+ mile runs every couple of days will by a fair amount.

You still can't get into the 3-digit range, but it definitely will move the needle from ~20 to ~50 or so.

The sticks, with a bit of judicious use, will tell you where your threshold is. Everyone is a bit different and as you lose weight your threshold is likely to actually drop, since the more mass you carry the more energy you burn just hauling it around in daily life.

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One thing I always looked at when reading about historical figures, when they were born and when they died. Check the first 6 Presidents. I believe only Washington didn't make 75 and it is rumored medical doctors killed him.

The point of this observation is to back what Karl wrote, that personal efforts and circumstances determine health, not doctors and chemicals. John Adams didn't have modern medicine, yet he outlived every President until Ford and Reagan.

Americans today have climate control, sanitation, easier and safer work and emergency response. The majority, despite these advantages, do not live as long as these Presidents 200 years ago, when doctors used bleeding and saws as their main tools. I suspect those other than Washington used non medical doctor health care.

We have been put in an establishment arranged racket. They want 20% of our lifetime labor to be there to fix us, when evidence is they can do little to heal bad health. The myth of medicine was well developed in the media and television. Quit giving them your soul and see other alternatives. Let them fix your broken bones and otherwise find a plan to stay away from them. I suspect being in a doctors office is one of the most hazardous things we do in life.

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Mooreupp
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I wrote down everything listed in this thread and went to the grocery store yesterday. I only stocked up on things either mentioned here or that I otherwise knew were OK. If anyone is still reading this, though a few questions.

1. I saw avocados listed more than once here. I bought some for the first time and love them (a nice surprise as I've always been a very picky eater with fruits and vegetables; something I am trying to stop myself from being). Afterward though, I looked up facts about it and it does have more carbs than I was expecting. I know most are fiber. Are we generally not counting fiber (or at least counting it far differently)?

2. Artificial sweeteners were listed in this thread in regards to diet pop. While I know it is something ultimately to be done away with, I had been hoping to hold onto drinking generic Diet Mountain Dew for the time being (particularly since I have never cared for coffee). Reading this I suppose I should probably stop it too. What are the issues here with artificial sweeteners?

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In regards to fiber, I subtract the fiber grams from any carbs to get the 'net' carbs. There is some debate on this but that's how I roll. My biggest weakness was with soda so even 'diet' drinks are off the list for me. Plus anything with that much crap I can't pronounce in it can't be good. Once you get off them try a sip of one...it will taste really bad.

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Mooreupp: artificial sweeteners cause an insulin response up to 24 hours, which prevents ketone formation, so you definitely want to avoid this. Pure Stevia and aspartame seem to not have this effect. The issue with fiber is unclear. Some people respond to it as regular carbs, so you should be careful. The underlying issue is the level of your insulin sensitivity/carb intolerance. Because none of us know at the outset what our carb tolerance is, it is often advised to stay on the low end at first. Also, blood and breath ketone measurements are more reliable than most he ketostix. It depends on the person, but some people stop registering ketones on the Ketostix after a few weeks because the body gets more efficient at burning ketones and excretes less of what is produced. A good reference is "Ketotalk" podcast.
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I never have had an insulin response from artificial sweeteners....

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I think it's simpler than that Drifter -- they get threatened when their "worldview" is threatened.

That worldview is comprised of a few falsehoods, one of which is really bad news when it gets blown up:

"We all get fatter as we age." Most women know damn well they were far less fat when they were 18 than they are now. Then again most men were less-fat at 18 too! This is a big part of the entire screamfest, nearly all of it coming from women, on the "body-shaming" thing. Women will dismiss someone who never got fat as "genetics" (which is sometimes true for both men and women) but when they see someone who they either knew when he was fat, or even worse watched him go from fat to not that blows their false belief to bits because that obviously isn't explainable by genetics. It's a particular problem if THEY are overweight by any material amount and ESPECIALLY if they have followed what they believe is a "healthy" lifestyle but are STILL overweight!


Just my opinion, and observations, of many many women (self included) in a weight obsessed society....too many have tried and tried every diet for so many years, failing (as we know), and have resigned, given up hope.
That, and even more....women tend to be a bit more sensory based/oriented, and to take away one of their greatest pleasures is beyond abhorrent after all the failures, as they see it!
What is life without some indulgence in the sensory pleasures of luscious chocolate, or decadent pastries? Aha! Sugar and spice and everything nice? Remember that?
That is often how many women I know see things. (
Just sharing from years of trying to convince many of my patients and friends to get the heck off the carbs.

So...

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Yep...

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