Convenience At What Price?
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2017-01-03 07:40 by Karl Denninger
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Convenience At What Price?
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Since the New Year on my desktop the number of ads, and the sheer stupidity of what's being advertised on Facebook has gone exponential.  I now am "treated" to an ad every single time on the first page of the timeline, typically in the second slot and then another on every single page, instead of just on the right hand sidebar and sometimes in the timeline here and there.  Marking one inappropriate, offensive or irrelevant simply guarantees another will be spun just below the page line to immediately appear.  In other words the density of ads has gone from "mildly annoying" to full-on, "****-you-in-the-face" offensive.

These ads are also now full of investment claims and health quackery -- ads such as "things that always happen before you get prostate cancer", scam-filled "dating sites" and "alternative investments" of various sorts.  Interspersed with this are a few ads for something useful -- like a car -- although there is a zero possibility I will want to buy a new car during the next several years.

Perhaps one ad in ten is in that latter "useful" category, in that it is for an actual useful consumer product or service.  The other nine are spam -- and I do mean spam, in that in my email anything of that sort gets flagged and in nearly all cases my Bayes filter catches it before it gets to my inbox -- throwing it in the trash.  Why?  Because these are not ads for CocaCola or a Buick -- they're ads "selling" you some "herbal" nonsense, a subscription to some fairytale garbage site or a quackery-based health scam.

Twitter has gotten equally bad in its "mobile" app to the point of near-uselessness.  Tweetdeck on the desktop browser is, so far, mercifully free of this.

But it won't be for long, I suspect.

Why am I on Facesucker at all?  Only because some of my friends do things during the week that are published there, and thus I can find them easily.

Well, my friends, you're about to have to spend $5/month if you run some group or make 10 seconds worth of personal effort if you'd like to see me at some event you're interested in -- that is, you're about to have set up a web site or email list server using something like Digital Ocean (cost of $5/month or less) and keep a calendar that way.

Or you're going to have to resort to an old-fashioned phone call, text message, or Groupme message.

Why?

Because not long after I post this, if this doesn't almost-immediately stop (and I fully expect it not to) I'm going to either delete my Facesucker account entirely or just quit using it, and probably will also delete the mobile Twitter app.  If Tweetdeck gets invaded I'd stop using that too. I've already removed 2 years worth of my timeline posts on Zuckerpig's monstrosity; the rest will be gone in days.

There's a point of annoyance with spammers advertising "products" and "services" which I consider to be outright frauds and scams that reaches my limit of tolerance, and it's rather much lower than my tolerance level when Ford tries to sell me a truck.  There's also a density problem; yes, I understand sites run ads, but they cannot become the focus of the content or I'm done with you.

Your limit of tolerance may be in a different place than mine, but even if I never buy anything from these assclowns Facesucker claims I saw it, the advertiser pays for it, and thus my mere presence has value to that rat bastard pig in Palo Alto that deserves to have an asteroid fall on his house and leave a smoking hole where he, and everyone related to him, resides today.

Yeah, that's how I feel about Zuckerpig.  He's pushed it too far for me, and he's about be treated as if he doesn't exist -- along with everything he does.

I get it -- some people make money using his site (especially those scamvertisers, I suspect), some people "find friends" (who really aren't their friends; they're just ghosts in a digital machine) and some people -- most, in fact who are on there -- use it as a means to push their dopamine button.  That is, they're addicted and deriving pleasure from it and that is why the scamvertisers have an audience at all.

Those who are actually my friends know how to find me, and if they really want me to show up for some event or express some thought with or to me they can take the 10 seconds to send a text, make a phone call or in some other way make it known what's going on.

If not?  Well, I guess I've learned whether you're really a friend -- or just a ghost in a machine -- haven't I?

That 10 seconds of effort is too much for you?

That's a useful piece of information and I thank you for providing it to me.

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Attilahooper
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I occasionally IM my niece or buddy on FB. Over the weekend I got an email notification that I had a chat waiting. I click on the link in my email client (Thunderbird) and FB opens up in IE11 my my account already logged in. I thought this was strange because I purposely log out of FB to limit any ability to track me. So I log out, delete all my cookies, passwords and autofill. Yet, when I click the link in Thunderbird - IE opens up w my account logged in again. wtf?! When I change my default browser to Brave or Firefox it does not exhibit this behaviour. Any idea how IE is maintaining the login to FB? This is on win10. Very disturbing, I'm considering going back to linux and running windows in a vm when needed.

And yeah, I've felt the same way as KD for a very long time. Don't expect me to subscribe to your FB feed to communicate, Send me a damn email.

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Oldno7
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Funny thing about those adds is that the ones that show up the most are for things I already bought through my research on the item. I bought a 2016 Forester about a year ago and then all year I see adds on how to get the best SUV deal. Bought a new camera and you guessed it the adds for cameras to buy show up everywhere I go. I do not do social media (did have FB but deleted it years ago). You are right though enough is enough. I email the people I want to contact and they do the same and you are also right those are the people who care.

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IT'S THE SPENDING STUPID The US must become less a government of men, and more a government of LAW.When people lose everything and have nothing left to lose they lose it -Gerald Celente
Curbyourrisk
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My high school will be running their upcoming reunion through Facebook. I have already told my friends the same thing. Once the reunion is all planned out - I will be deleting everything I can from Facebook and then deleting the app from my phone. I am sick of that fuqtard Zuckerburg and beyond sick of all the ads you mentioned. Have already forwarded my e-mail address to my friends that I want to continue communicating with.

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Dennisglover
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When you do drop Facebook keep in mind how difficult they make it to do so!

After you've completed all the steps there (archiving, deleting, and such) including the final check box for "delete my account" you're still not truly "gone" from their world of influence.

They require a cooling off period before they "delete" your account. In my case it was two weeks. The proviso is that the account is still there, and any activity on that account nullifies the deletion, as if it had never happened. Activity would include any login to the account, naturally, but there are other things that constitute activity.

If you have linked other accounts (Twitter, LinkedIn, email, etc.) with the Facebook account and fail to destroy those links, then any activity there also constitutes Facebook activity, and your account is still there. For all I know there are other things that can have the same effect. So I took a couple of additional steps.

I removed all "friends" from my friends list. (Some can't be removed, but that's just the way of it.) I also eliminated the Twitter account and the email link. Then I set the Facebook password to something randomly generated, a great many characters, something I would have to write down in order to log back in the one last time to hit the "delete my account" button before logging out. Then I destroyed that password.

I quit the book late in 2013, so the steps might have changed.

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That 10 seconds of effort is too much for you?

Based on my experience, yes it is.
If you're not on FB, you are mostly shunned.
Whatever.
Tickerguy
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Fine with me... that works both ways.

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Reluctantdebtor
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uBlock Origin and Fluff Busting Purity are installed here. I see practically no ads on Facebook or elsewhere. I'm usually on a desktop but when I rarely Facebook on mobile I don't use the app. I use a browser bookmark. The ad blockers on my phone keep ads away (Android something - installed so long ago I forget what they're called, required root). The Facebook app sucked my battery dry very fast. Same with twitter. It's browser-only these days.
Onelegged
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NW Colorado
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I dumped my tv back in 1987 for the same reason. The insesant sales pitches,annoy me to distraction. No Facebook, no Twitter and no radio for me either. I can't take any more.

I have NEVER been subject to an advertisement and then gone out to buy that which was being advertised. Never.

It's hard for me to believe that these ads are cost effective to these companies, but they must be.


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Krzelune
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I deleted my FB account about 4 years ago and have not even attempted to login since. My daughter showed me that it is still there a few months ago, so they never deleted it. I wonder how much advertising revenue has been generated off my account that I deleted and haven't used in 4 years.
Ktrosper
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TG wrote..
make 10 seconds worth of personal effort if you'd like to see me at some event you're interested in

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bingo. I've never had an account.. And in the age of ****book, I apparently have zero friends HA! It's almost as if you don't exist to these people if you're not online "liking " their ****..

Well, that's ok. I've got my family and my life is full of things that I love and that I'm passionate about. I don't miss any of them.

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Zappafan
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I am close to deleting mine. Here is more on why Facebook is evil:

https://stallman.org/facebook.html

Honestly it is a waste of time, other than reconnecting with old friends. As you say, if people aren't willing to spend 10 seconds emailing, calling or texting you, screw 'em.

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Fedwatcher
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My biggest complaint is the health quackery of advertising medications that have side-effects that can kill you. This leads to 'consumers' asking their doctors to approve it. Since the doc/quack is often paid/bribed to do so, many worthless overpriced medications contribute to the higher cost of healthcare and worse outcomes.

Facesucker is guilty of negligent homicide for these worse outcomes.

RICO? Must we wait for a federal prosecutor to lose a loved-one because of this before we see action?
Jaeger
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Never have and never will do Faceboot (sic), and mock my friends who do.
Rickysa
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If you're not on FB, you are mostly shunned.


Really? Not being snarky at all...just don't see what it's good for.

to me, kinda like the CB craze in the late 70's.

But then again, I don't get the whole "social media" thing anyhoo...ymmv
Johnnyb
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I have noticed this trend for a while in nearly <i>all</i> free-to-user commercial online ventures. I think what happened is the following: (a) Silicon Valley VCs use stock as play money. That is, they use inflated valuations to buy companies, people, etc. They give stock to employees instead of hard-money compensation, etc. These stock valuations are based on future earnings which are based on eyeballs. (b) These companies are hitting upon the time when the stock "play money" is running out. Therefore, they are having to mass-convert eyeballs to hard cash. (c) Internet advertising is super-ignorable. Even when highly annoying, you remember the annoying more than the ad. I think I have clicked on between 2 and 5 advertisements on the Internet IN MY LIFE. (d) Companies are compensating for (c) by simply upping the volume, not realizing that this will ultimately drive their "eyeball count" waaay down in the long run.

I work for Internet companies, but I am thankful that I have always worked for "down-to-earth" companies that actually charge for the service they are providing. Some of them also sell advertising, but not as a primary component of revenue. They do a service and charge for it.

Going forward, I think that (a) the free services will be unbearably advertising-focused, but that (b) there will develop paid services as well. However, because they are paid, the paid services will never have the kind of universal reach that the free ones do. I think that will actually be a good thing.
Comrader
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my wife and daughters waste hours on facebook. I have never seen a facebook page. just really don't care if you got a new cat!
Themortgagedude
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Facebook won't delete you. **** them. Make an epic anti Zuckerpig post daily. Start a Zuckerpig Fan Page. Post something on their daily for the sheer fun of it. Get a pile on going. Have some fun with it. :)

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Oldno7
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Yep here we go again. I went to WeatherTech web site and ordered liners for the front and rear seats so now all of a sudden WeatherTech adds follow me everywhere. These people are wasting there time with adds of products I already purchased. It really is a lack of intelligence of the goons who wrote the code to track people. Advertisers should get there money back from these bozos.

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IT'S THE SPENDING STUPID The US must become less a government of men, and more a government of LAW.When people lose everything and have nothing left to lose they lose it -Gerald Celente
Dmj625
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I received an Amazon Echo for Christmas and I returned it first thing on 12/26. There was no way I was going to have 7 internet connected far-field microphones in my home. On January 1st, I found this article:

Just How Dangerous is Alexa?
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/just-how-....
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The Willing Suspension of Our Privacy

We apply similar concepts to our online lives. Most of us are willing to give up our data (location, viewing, purchasing or search history) for our online enjoyment. We can call this the willing suspension of our privacy because if you spent a moment to consider what your data was actually being used for, you would refuse to let it happen.

The Willing Suspension of Our Agency

Which brings us to the next level of insanity: the willing suspension of our agency for our own enjoyment. This is past the point of giving up a reasonable amount of data or privacy to optimize the capabilities of our digital assistants. Suspension of our agency exposes our normally unmonitored physical activity, innocent mumblings and sequestered conversations. Some people believe this is happening with Alexa, Google Home, Siri and other virtual assistant and IoT systems. It may well be.

Then I found this article on Oculus Rift

Facebook's VR headset is collecting a lot of personal data and people are freaking out
http://www.businessinsider.com/oculus-ri....

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When you install Oculus Home and agree to the terms of service, you are agreeing to let Facebook use any and all information it can glean from your machine/Rift/microphone to better target ads/sell to third parties.

In retrospect, it may seem that the invasion of our privacy has only just begun. At what point does the public wake up and reject this crap?

DMJ625


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Vernonb
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Fedwatcher said:
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My biggest complaint is the health quackery of advertising medications that have side-effects that can kill you. This leads to 'consumers' asking their doctors to approve it. Since the doc/quack is often paid/bribed to do so, many worthless overpriced medications contribute to the higher cost of healthcare and worse outcomes.

Facesucker is guilty of negligent homicide for these worse outcomes.

RICO? Must we wait for a federal prosecutor to lose a loved-one because of this before we see action?


Personally I'm for having the laws written so that every network, cable channel, or online provider that takes money to allow these miscreants to advertise their bogus wares to be held at minimum as an accessory to FRAUD and/or homicide. These means also instant suspension of their broadcasts license and 20+ years jail time for all executive members. Of course this means we NEED rule of LAW.

They will argue they are NOT responsible for the content of their advertisers. I claim bull****! They knowingly allow this crap to go on because it is PROFITABLE for them and the public be damned. Due diligence is a joke to these people.

It is just not farcebook. It's the whole damned media establishment from the TV networks to so called "alternative" sites like infowars.

Screw them all!


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Tbh524
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There are Greasemonkey scripts that do a wonderful job of sanitizing the feed...
Tickerguy
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Why reward that sort of ****?

I can see you missed the point.

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Geckogm
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I'll just put this right here.

Keenan
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Yet another reason to disconnect. It appears that he has political ambitions:

snip:"Its the latest in a string of moves that indicate Zuckerbergs intention to pursue government service. In early December, unsealed court filings from a class-action lawsuit filed in April revealed that Zuckerberg and two board members had discussed how the CEO might pursue a political career while retaining control of Facebook.

Venture capitalist Marc Andreessen, one of the companys most prominent investors, texted Zuckerberg in March to say that the biggest issue of the corporate proposal was how to define the govt service thing without freaking out shareholders that you are losing commitment.

On Christmas Day, the Facebook CEO revealed that he is no longer an atheist, one of the biggest liabilities a presidential candidate can have, according to research by Pew Research Center. In a cheery update he said: Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah from Priscilla, Max, Beast and me, referring to his wife, daughter and dog.

Below the post a commenter asked arent you an atheist? Zuckerberg used to declare his lack of faith on his Facebook profile to which he replied: No. I was raised Jewish and then I went through a period where I questioned things, but now I believe religion is very important."


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2....
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