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Fraudster
Posts: 4176
Incept: 2011-05-10
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You mean this crispy? 
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"Let China sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"Circulation ceases first at the outer edges [Europe and Japan]. It will take a while yet for the decay to reach the heart [America]." - Foundation & Empire by Isaac Asimov
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Genesis
Posts: 130798
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Well, yes.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Ck_dexter
Posts: 3905
Incept: 2007-07-19
the south parlor
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So that's a no on the Dow getting to 20K?
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"In other words, that the discussion about what is good, what is beautiful, what is noble, what is pure and what is true, could always go on. Why is that important, why would I like to do that? Because that's the only conversation worth having." Christopher Hitchens.
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Iou
Posts: 1027
Incept: 2009-03-16
The Twilight Zone
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Many have exited but it's hot as hell outside. The air conditioned building is luring them back in.
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"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."- Frédéric Bastiat
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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Is there an easy way/place to see that S&P firms have taken on more debt since 2007? I thought the official line was that people (and firms) had "de leveraged" an iota or two while government debt had skyrocketed "to save the economy".
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Steelhead23
Posts: 2043
Incept: 2008-09-09
Portland OR
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I was watching Charlie Rose last night. He was speaking with Jeremy Grantham. Grantham was a bit cool on the market (except blue chips) but Charlie kept pumping him about how things really, really were getting better. Ya' know, when one of this planet's best stock pickers is sounding a warning, it might be a good idea to listen. Charlie's crowning achievement in this was his assertion that the current spate of mergers and acquisitions was a sure sign of hope in the future. Hello, Charlie - remember Bain Capital's business model? M&A is mostly a debt-loading operation, enabling investors to loot companies, not grow them. It truly is sad that this artificial bull market has turned people's minds to mush.
A note to Ck_dexter - shoot who knows, with the Fed pumping in 80billion per month, I wouldn't put Dow 20k out of reach, but gas would likely cost $10/gal when that happens. Karl is right. There is a crash coming - the devil only knows when.
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"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" —Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild Benjamin Bernanke For-profit commercial banks are a menace and should be eradicated
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Medicdan
Posts: 8028
Incept: 2010-02-11
Scottsdale, AZ
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Quote: with confidence that the system would take care of itself. LMAO. That was a great laugh. Take care of itself. Yeah... I would like to see it take care of itself. What a tool.
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Avianphlu
Posts: 3976
Incept: 2008-12-03
Ulster NY
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japanese utilities forced to raise rates 14-19% on weak yen...think how that would play out over here.
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Hoghead32
Posts: 33
Incept: 2009-11-17
Ellicott City, Md.
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But...but...Larry Kudlow said this stock market's gains are real, driven by profit, corporate profit.
Old Lar was on with Washington's WMAL morning radio crew this morning. He was asked if this market is genuine, and that was his response.I don't know half as much as Mr. K, but I ain't biting.[No, I don't recall him saying anything about corporate debt.] __________________________
Hang on! We're on the ground!
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Frankschoenburg
Posts: 178
Incept: 2011-08-05
Northbrook, IL
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Bontly
Posts: 186
Incept: 2008-10-31
Detroit
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Quote:japanese utilities forced to raise rates 14-19% That's Trouble Thanks "Japanese utilities, forced to idle their nuclear power plants over the past two years and facing higher fuel costs due to a weak yen, are now looking to push through double-digit rate hikes for their commercial customers."
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If you know what you are doing you are half way done. If you want what you have you will always have what you want.
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Degaston
Posts: 2264
Incept: 2007-07-27
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Personally I'd be really upset if E*Trade or TD Ameritrade pulls a MF Global or Intrade. Anyone got a good suggestion on how to mitigate the risks involved in having IRA accounts in major "reputable" brokerages like E*Trade or TD Ameritrade?
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3/17/2013: Bullish on nothing - 100 percent in cash.
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Curious1
Posts: 441
Incept: 2008-03-22
Oregon
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I wish someone could be more accurate with regards to "when"....I do understand that is an enormously difficult question to answer given all of the variables.
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Frankschoenburg
Posts: 178
Incept: 2011-08-05
Northbrook, IL
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Degaston,
I split mine up between Scottrade and TD Ameritrade. Not sure what else to do. If you get any better suggestions, let me know.
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Little_eddie
Posts: 592
Incept: 2009-04-30
Delaware
Online
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A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
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Quote:If the math says one thing and the law says something different, it will be the law that ends up changing Charles Calomiris From an article in Foreign Affairs entitled “The End Of The Euro”
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Jymm
Posts: 76
Incept: 2012-01-22
Wisconsin
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What I have in the market is in my 401k, IRA and Roth. My choices are limited. I saw the last one coming and put a lot into bonds. It is still there. What scares me now is the bond market is starting to look as bad as stocks. Not sure where to go next. Cash is not even a good option now. Hard to make 1% on CD's or Money Markets for a small guy. With inflation, that is a big lose too. Prepared for about a 20% loss, but more will hurt.
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Atlasrocked
Posts: 366
Incept: 2009-03-23
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I just hammered Barry Rithholz, with a similar note. Of course he won't print it, but here's what I told him after he lambasted WSJ for saying the economy was sick while "unemployment is under 8%". He has been pushing lately for investors to not pay attention to politics as they invest. :
Barry, I'm convinced there are a group of actors in our country, like Dailykos.com, that will proclaim things are great no matter what the data says. You're putting your head above a cesspool and swearing it smells like a rose garden.
Advising everyone to turn away from politics and invest, as the investment world is dominated by the politics of money printing - you point it out yourself, then the next day say "look the other way".
This plays right into the hands of the bad constituency driving the US now. The constituency that didn't even demand a dialogue during the presidential debates on the dereliction of duty to prosecute the FCIC report.
You owe the country an advocacy of being outraged, Barry, not sanguine. You're part of a cover up when you write stuff like this, a propaganda outlet.
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Lemonaid
Posts: 9881
Incept: 2008-01-20
Metro Detroit
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Equities will crash first... Propping up bond prices. When bond yields shoot the moon... Well, that's game over.
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"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved." Ludwig von Mises
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Jata1
Posts: 5071
Incept: 2009-03-08
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But...but...Larry Kudlow said this stock market's gains are real, driven by profit, corporate profit.
Kudblow must be back on the junk again. I caught his show last night and he says it's not Bernanke pumping the market. Uh Huh
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Pay_lay_ale
Posts: 260
Incept: 2010-09-16
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Yes, Apple has gotten a lot of criticism and lost a lot of value. But it holds $137.1B in cash and cash equivalents. Think about that for a minute...That's more free cash on hand than any other entity in the world, including governments.
Apple's a lot of things, but they're not stupid. They have some of the best and brightest engineers, accountants, marketing, and management the world has ever seen. They can't think of anything better to do with their free cash than to have it sit in the equivalent of a bank account, doing share buybacks, or dividend payouts with double taxation.
In other words, they see no value in buying any other companies outright or investing in the stock market as a whole themselves.
Ditto for other large Fortune 500 companies. A lot of them are sitting on epic piles of cash. U.S. nonfinancial companies' cash holdings are $1.24 trillion. They see no worthwhile opportunities in the stock market, bond market, commodity market, real estate market, or any other market or investment.
So why are you, the retail investor with a small sum of cash, putting money into the market? What do you know that the big guys don't?
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Drkshapiro
Posts: 634
Incept: 2012-09-12
Southern CA
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On this topic of what is real and what is not, I enjoyed listening to Charles Hugh Smith on the Keiser Report the other day. He didn't quite agree with Max's wish for a plague to wipe out the bankers but he did say (to counter the Larry Kudlow type enthusiasm) something like this:
The top 10% (not the 0.01% such as Jamie Dimon and so forth) but the top 10% of so-called technocrats are doing pretty good too because they own a little piece of the asset bubble, so you don't hear too many complaints from the elite fiefdoms and academia.....what he called the economics bureaucracy. Which reminded me of this quote by Upton Sinclair:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
Don't despair: As we exit the eye of the hurricane, these analysts will be more like mumbling apparitions in a crowd, unable to discern clarity. That is, useless. And Kudlow is better than most of them.
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Don't let a kid drink til they're 21, but let 'em go to other countries and kill people, that's alright. --G Celente
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Ampsucker
Posts: 1493
Incept: 2009-08-05
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not to mention insider selling to buying is like 10:1 or something.
question, when a company like apple has 137 billion in cash, is that all denominated in one currency where the headquarters are located - in this case USD? or is that summed across all it's operating entities in different countries in local currencies and then converted at current exchange rates into USD? and where is it held? in some giant deposit account or spread out across hundreds or thousands of different accounts and banks across the world?
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Checkthisout
Posts: 167
Incept: 2010-10-01
Cary, NC
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Did y'all forget that it's Tickercon 1?
Get liquid.
Cash in hand - not in the bank. Perhaps split between safety deposit box & home safe, although some will lean toward the latter since you don't have unlimited access to the former. If you simply CANNOT bring yourself to do the above, then for heaven's sake, spread your cash out between several banks, staying below the OLD limit of $100k/account and stay away from the big boys - use credit unions.
PM's - in hand - same as cash above, preferably US denominated coins
Keep physical assets like income producing real estate, business, etc. that you can go touch & feel (& guard with your AR) within a short drive
I don't care how much $$ you hold in paper form - if/when this thing blows, it may end up like Confederate money.
What was it that Kyle Bass said? Right now return OF capital is more important than return ON capital.
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There are no gun free zones where free men tread.
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Cobra2411
Posts: 10352
Incept: 2007-06-26
Philly P.a.
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A redneck could have fixed things better then they did... Duck tape and bailing wire appropriately applied would fix a lot of things that are wrong...  It's a con game fix to the giant con... Nothing has been fixed, just papered over so more theft can occur. When that doesn't work more will be stolen from the taxpayers to take care of the elite... Yeah, I'll be standing close to the door... Thank's for asking.... 
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To err is human. To really **** things up takes government.
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