More Mewling On The Budget In The Media
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Posted 2013-03-07 22:19
by Karl Denninger
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More Mewling On The Budget In The Media
 

This is really getting maddening...

Everywhere you look there is talk about the consequences of the recently imposed automatic federal spending cuts. Although most of these are really cuts in the Washington sense of the word—a slower rate of spending increase—sequestration is designed to make deficit reduction choices on auto pilot when federal lawmakers are unable to make them in real life.

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Ten years from now, automatically growing programs like Social Security and Medicare will make up 62 percent of annual spending. The Pentagon budget will be just 12 percent. We’re just seven years away from interest payments on the national debt outpacing defense.

According to an estimate by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, interest payments and entitlements will consume the entire federal budget by 2025. That means no funds left over for the programs hit by sequestration without substantial additional borrowing.

Wrong.  You're hopelessly optimistic.

This is today:

Note that tax receipts are approximately $2.7 trillion.

Social Security has expanded at a 6% rate over the last 30 years.  Medical spending has expanded at about a 9% rate over the last 30 years.  That's what those curves show.  There have been years that are more and some less, but that's the deal.

So let's project this forward, as I've done before, just two years.

Notice that both Social Security and Medicare now consume more than $1 trillion each.

If there is no ramp in intrest rates then interest will be about $250 billion.  This totals apprximately $2.4 trillion.

That leaves just $300 billion more in tax receipts.  Defense, the next-largest appropriation, is approximately $750 billion!

That's two years from now, not ten.

You cannot fix this with "entitlement" reform; that's a red herring and once again we see the ridiculous conflation of two separate issues -- one reasonably easy to solve, the other impossible within the realm of government spending as the problem doesn't lie there.  

Social Security, by and large, can be fixed -- you can index retirement to longevity and you can change the inflation escalator.  Those two things will neuter that part of the problem.  We can do that today.

Medical spending is another matter as it is not coming from Medicare and Medicaid but from the medical system as a whole and if it is not dealt with now it is going to become an intolerable problem in as little as two years.

I've written a whole host of articles on this point with the most-recent being here.

This isn't a subject of debate any longer.  It is now a matter of either solving the problem, here, now and today, or consigning ourselves to an imploding fiscal picture and rapidly-deteriorating general economy.

That's the deal.

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Vitchilo
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Don't worry, they are making sure to scare the crap out of people with the sequester by cutting vital stuff while keeping the superficial crap...

http://connecticut.news12.com/federal-bu....
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Federal budget cuts may lead to closure of control towers at Conn. airports

Six state airports are at risk of having their control towers closed down by the federal government due to widespread budget cuts.

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has yet to select a date for the shutdown, but officials with the American Association of Airport Executives say April 7 is the likely deadline. They add that the only way to prevent the decision would be to convince the FAA that the closures would have national implications.

Sikorsky, Danbury and Tweed-New Haven airports would lose towers, but would continue operate the same as they do at night when the towers are normally closed.

That is crazy. Running an airport without traffic controllers? Insanity that could lead to hundreds dead.

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That is crazy. Running an airport without traffic controllers? Insanity that could lead to hundreds dead.


If hundreds end up dead, we know who murdered them.

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I just opened a bill this evening for putting a port line in my mother to inject cancer drugs once a month. I guess because it was outpatient, Medicare didn't cover it. The bill was over $10K. There are people that would murder the owner of the outfit that sent that bill and put one in them for $10K. Mom has the money, but had she been informed of the price, I give you 10 to 1 she would not have had that procedure done. Kind of gives me the urge to put a 10 guage shot gun in that guys mouth and negotiate. Bet he works 2 days a week. Also bet the $30 contraption goes for several hundred dollars as well. You can get a bypass in some countries for $10K. Hope St. Peter is counting schemes like this as stealing, the mortal sin kind.

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The major assumption there is that defense is going to be $750B in 2 years. I call nuts on that call. Defense is going to grow, IMHO, for a whole host of reasons. The picture is only going to be worse in another 2 years. And BTW, you make the case for why we will never see deficits below $1 trillion ever again. At least until things blow up.

EDIT: And I also am suspicious of the continued decline in welfare spending. I dunno KD. Things are looking really grim.

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It won't go beyond about another two years.

At the point the market figures out that there's no discretionary spending coming out of tax revenues at all -- it's all "mandatory" -- the game's up.

Doesn't matter what The Fed does at that point. The market still thinks there's a "recovery" coming and that spending as a percentage of GDP will come down while taxation will remain about the same.

Wrong guess.

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What do tax revenues have to do with anything? Did Bennie's magical printing press melt down?

The idea of running out of discretionary spending ability on the .gov level is worth contemplating for a moment or two. Just think -- no more lobbyists. No more Obama phones. No more GSA conventions. No more War on Drugs. The ability to bring home the bacon in size would be gone. The only things that would be on the rise would be related to those of us who are on a decline.

Four decades ago, my father's cousin who was an Iowa farmer was talking about life and work under the USDA pricing programs. He said that he spent entire days filling out paperwork and preparing grant applications. He had learned that it was necessary to know the pet projects among the powerful congressmen. At that particular point in time it was beneficial to include the word "cancer" in a grant application. He had zero thoughts on how to cure cancer and did not intend to try. However, he made sure to engage in a little creative writing that used the word "cancer" so that he could get on with the business of farming.

What a different place our country would be if the federal govt had never authorized the creation of the federal reserve system.
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Karl, I love your analysis. I just have one nagging question that's been bugging me. I worked for years in medical device (electronics) development. I saw first hand how the corporations worked with universities, medical associations, government entities, and research publishers to pump up the need for some device. It's hard core marketing and creating of marginal problems to solve to make money.

The nagging question is: Will that exponential curve of medical spending actually find an asymptote rather than crashing? Once you have everyone fully CT scanned, joints replaced, dozens of toxic drugs consumed, isn't there a point where it will no longer grow, but also not shrink?
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Karl - any thoughts about the following Treasury report "Final Monthly Report of Receipts and Outlays of the U.S. Government through September 2012" which seems to indicate on Table 5 on Page 10 under the heading of "Total--Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services" that the US government spent $1.052 trillion on medicare and medicaid in FY 2012?

http://www.fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0912.pdf

I only came across this report earlier this week as the result of a discussion with another individual on another website...

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Everything is a jobs program.

Defense, Education, War On Drugs, Prison System, Housing, Medical Care, Medical insurance. Oh and War on Terrorism and Government itself.

The central planners will save us...

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Bert wrote..
Everything is a jobs program.


Been that way since Marbury vs Madison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._....

Note that the Wikipedia article cites precedent going back hundreds of years.

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The idea that courts could nullify statutes originated in England with Chief Justice Edward Coke's 1610 opinion in Dr. Bonham’s Case, 8 Co. Rep. 107a.


Not sure I have any solutions, but just referencing history.
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Karl wrote..
The market still thinks there's a "recovery" coming...


Exactly

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So I don't understand why this can't continue beyond 2 years. As Karl says, social security can be cut. That leaves room for Medicare, Defense, etc. to continue to grow as a percentage of all spending. Why would this prevent the US from continuing to run deficits especially when the market will see that they're cutting social security spending. This will be spun as a massive positive allowing for even more borrowing beyond the 2 years.
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Just a small point. Linking retirement benefits to longevity isnt quite enough. What is important is keeping the ratio of workers to retirees near constant. Changing retirement age based on longevity doesnt accomplish that. It doesnt mean it wouldnt work, but you would have to be lucky.
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Karl, After reading your posts for years, this one has finally made an impression, regarding the medical system. Keep on message. Slight changes in delivery and substance will connect to a varied audience. Thanks.
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The US has never been able to collect much more than 20% of GDP in taxes. The current GDP is 15 trillion so 20% would be 3 trillion. We are spending 3.8 trillion this year. Make that work out long term.

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You're not understanding the leftist plan.

If you pay the federal government for higher educcation, health insurance, health care, property insurancce, etc, etc after they nationalize all these industries, they'll have plenty of money.

And they'll tell YOU when you are permitted to buy things like a car or home. You won't be permitted to buy a gun at all.

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Wow, we have two more years before TSHTF? What a relief. My gardening is of the hit or miss variety (mostly miss) and now I have two more years to practice!

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So I don't understand why this can't continue beyond 2 years. As Karl says, social security can be cut. That leaves room for Medicare, Defense, etc. to continue to grow as a percentage of all spending. Why would this prevent the US from continuing to run deficits especially when the market will see that they're cutting social security spending. This will be spun as a massive positive allowing for even more borrowing beyond the 2 years


SS is funded from payroll taxes and any shortfall is funded from the trust fund which is new money that has to come from somewhere since it is an empty trust.

If we modify SS payouts it does absolutely nothing for the rest of the spending problems since it somewhat operates as a closed unit, money in and money out.

Any delay of retirement benefits will likely mean they will stay in the workforce longer, but staying in the workforce longer means a greater number of young people will be unemployed as a result of an extended retirement age.

This of course will have more young people seeking refuge from unemployment in the student loan system.

Spin is not going to fix anything here.

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Vitch & Uppity,
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That is crazy. Running an airport without traffic controllers? Insanity that could lead to hundreds dead.

Apparently ya'll aren't pilots - are ya?

MOST airports in this country DO NOT have air traffic controllers or towers. There are procedures that all pilots know and are trained to follow, when there isn't a tower or controller. It's not a big deal for small to mid-sized airports - which Sikorsky, Danbury and Tweed-New Haven airports are. As noted in the quotation - "continue operate the same as they do at night when the towers are normally closed".

Now, at large commercial airports - that's a bit of a different story. But there still are procedures. Just that air traffic would slow to a very very slow grind getting in and out due to having to keep safe traffic spacing through the control of departure times.

Scare mongering indeed (them, not you). Exactly what they wanted when they put that out.

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