How To Tell DHS To Go To Hell
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Posted 2013-02-25 23:46
by Karl Denninger
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How To Tell DHS To Go To Hell
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ku17CqdZg&sns=em

You still have 4th Amendment rights. 

Guess what -- you have no obligation to submit to this sort of crap.

And you shouldn't.

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Swordsman
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There is a Border Patrol checkpoint 12 miles north of my home. I give them hell everytime I go through. So far I've refused on three separate occasions them wanting to search my vehicle.
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I think it should be clear from the video, but (I'm 99% sure) those checkpoints are not international border crossings. They're either state borders or just random checkpoints along freeways.

But, it's pretty funny, especially the hopeless dude with his binder in the last scene :)

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That's correct, these are DHS dicking around in the 100 mile zone from the border, INSIDE The United States.

Yes, they can stop and inspect AT THE ACTUAL BORDER without probable cause.

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Excellent compilation.

Thank you.

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bravo! that was an awesome video compilation.
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I've seen a lot of these videos and understand one should refuse the search (duh) and repeatedly ask if they are being detained, arrested or are free to go, etc.

What I have not seen is a clear resolution, other than the officer just giving up, or a direct response to the 'you're not cooperating is probable cause.' Do you just call them out on that "Refusing to comply to an unconstitutional request is not probable cause.." or just keep repeating the 'Am I being detained, arrested or am I free to go?"

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I've been through that one on I-8 at the Arizona / California border a few times. Once they see the blond hair and blue eyes they just wave me through. smiley
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Cool! Thanks KD
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They stop traffic mostly on Interstate Highways. You have to pass a gauntlet of video cameras that capture all sides of your vehicle. At night they have 100 watt high pressure sodium lights to provide camera illumination. At least one of the cameras is specialized to capture your license plate. The OCR camera automatically checks your plates. They know who you are before you even get to the check point.

They'll ask you all sorts of bull**** questions. Sometimes it's just to give the drug dog time to sniff your vehicle. Other times they deliberately ask questions to make you irritated and flustered to say something they can use to ask to search your vehicle.

I turn it around on them and I***** them off first. Once their mad I have the upper hand. I'll answer their questions precisely yet vaguely. Like "where you heading?" I'll say "north" and nothing more.

Sometimes I'll berate them when they talk and face away from me. I am hard of hearing so I tell them forcefully they need to look at me when their talking. They don't like to be told what to do.

The next time I'm traveling alone I do believe I'll decline to declare my citizenship.
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That is awesome, the last two were LMFAO funny. I have respect for all those guys.


This collapse is going to suck balls cuz DHS will abandon all respect for our Rights.

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Love. It.
Maybe I'll get stopped someday driving up the 5 from SD to LA.

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I am a wee bit confused.....you all seem to be against illegal immigration, yet resist the efforts to determine citizenship.
Everyone applauded Arizona's attempt to question drivers' citizenship, and here you bemoan same.
How do you all suggest 'they' monitor illegals?
I am asking honestly, as it seems a bit overboard to fight this battle when it is supposedly aimed at the targets we all have.
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In the comments on the YouTube page, there is a comment that states:
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Federal Courts reserve a "Special Needs Exemption" to the Fourth Amendment and recognize any Federally Funded "roadblock" as cooperative state to the exemption... as long as the roadblock is acting in a regulatory function (and not criminal prevention), then there is a court-endorsed exemption that applies to the Fourth Amendment.

Is that accurate? I honestly don't know.
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God bless these Patriots, that was epic!

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Dobledelux wrote..
. . . DHS will abandon all respect for our Rights. (emphasis mine)
Where have you been? They've been doing so for a long, long time.


Sloonie -

Not everyone agrees with everything that Arizona and some other states have proposed.

The way to counter illegal immigration is NOT to impose a "Papers, please" police state everywhere. Rather, it should be through requiring legal presence to be proven prior to giving out any taxpayer funded bennies or services and to strictly enforce laws requiring employers to verify legal status.

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Not everyone agrees with everything that Arizona and some other states have proposed.

The way to counter illegal immigration is NOT to impose a "Papers, please" police state everywhere. Rather, it should be through requiring legal presence to be proven prior to giving out any taxpayer funded bennies or services and to strictly enforce laws requiring employers to verify legal status.


The AZ law required the police to ask for paper WHEN there's probable cause to believe that someone's illegal. If they find a Hispanic near the border, who doesn't speak a word of English and only Spanish with no signs of being a citizen, it's a pretty damned good probability that they are illegal.

A person with a New York accent and speaks perfect English, regardless of race, is probably a citizen or here legally.
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Dead people have no rights. JOHN DOE is a name on a tombstone. Adminstration is a legal action on the estate of the deceased. The government never gives you a license or any other document in your real name, only in all caps. When you declare that to be you, you fall into administration. Note the Obama birth certificate. The document is in upper and lower case, save for the name of the person. The term person, itself, is a fiction, an actor. The government is using law to get our agreement to waive our rights. At trial for my last DWI over 20 years ago, I was informed by the judge that I didn't have a right to an attorney while being interrogated. The rights were waived when I was given an corporate identity of a dead person on my drivers license.

In this video, witness these people refused to enter their jurisdiction. There was never an agreement, an acceptance of the contract. Note the officers refused to admit they were being detained. False imprisonment? The last guy said he didn't have an ID.

The real bull**** is we are being led around by the nose, under the notion this stuff is necessary. More police of every kind. I went to the sanitation department to get a well deserved refund on some nonsense on a bill at a rental property. They sent out a woman with about a 4th grade comprehension. The water department couldn't do anything, so they sent me to this organized crime unit. The problem was that I was not only billed for something I didn't order, but that during the same months, the one that had 4 days in it and the one that had 5 days in it, so were the former and later occupants of the property. I think I would win a class action suit on this matter, but the attitude was you can't fight city hall so don't. I told the woman that we were getting close to people having enough out of government and left. I am sure I earned a spot on the local domestic terrorist list and my picture is now in the local police station. The whole matter is nothing but a bunch of Kangaroo nonsense.

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OMG, that was too funny. Some cases, the question got repeated over and over and over. Good to know thread because they really do seem to be preparing for the civil unrest big time.
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How do you all suggest 'they' monitor illegals?
I am asking honestly, as it seems a bit overboard to fight this battle when it is supposedly aimed at the targets we all have.


The only reason we have illegals is that they can get work here. If you close the ability to work, you stop the flow. We have the ability to, but not the political will to attack the employment side of the equation.

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There's a good chance that 'No' has the edge over 'Yes' until it gets to 'Yes, I will kick your butt'.

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Did you watch the video Peterm99??? Don't add any emphasis or editing to what I post...You emphasis and effort is misplaced. They did relent and let all of the patriots go along their way so obliviously there is still SOME respect for our rights. My point is that at some point they are going to abandon ALL our rights. That is when the real pain starts, these videos will have very different endings when that happens if you ever get to see them at all.

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This is brilliant. In about 250 years, we will have this sort of awareness and confidence in the face of government overreach, too.
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PeterM,

you make a fine point. tight borders (in and out - you know there is no exit passport control in many US airports) and cut the cash flow.

hope this doesn't jack the thread...but it needs to be said to prove the point.

as an example from real life: a pregnant woman walks into a hospital in labor, with no ID, no money. she will be admitted through emergency and cared for (a human approach to medicine for most people).

upon giving birth, an agent working within the hospital will approach the new mother, and on her behalf, apply for medicaid asking only for verbal confirmation of all information and a signature. the mother is not required to show ID upon signing the application. if (ha, ha, ha) approved, medicaid pays for the ALL costs related to the delivery (C-section, spinal bloc, 3 days recovering, whatever) plus one year of medical care for the child.

the child automatically becomes an american citizen, can apply for a passport upon receiving a state birth certificate, about 2 weeks to turn it around from any post office.

the hospital then charges the federal government the full price of the delivery, which is usually 2-3 times higher than if the mother, citizen or not, had paid cash. this is because most hospitals charge those with insurance a notably higher fees than those without (try it yourself - call a local hospital, tell them you are 'self-pay' and see what they say).

in fact, even if the mother PRE-pays cash, it is normal for the agent to submit an application on behalf of the mother/child to Medicaid and, upon receiving approval, the hospital will collect 2-3 times more for the procedure, and offer to return the PRE-paid cash tot he mother.

if you are such a mother, are dumbfounded, and you are intent upon paying your own bills and not having the hospital screw the system on your name, it may take you about 4 months of phones calls to hospital admin neverland, ending only with threats of recorded calls and '60 minutes' to get the hospital to repay the Feds, with printed bank statements confirming all payments.

cannot confirm, but i feel sure that the agent gets a cut in all this.
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