Claims: Back To Reality?
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Posted 2013-02-21 08:58
by Karl Denninger
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Claims: Back To Reality?
 

Hmmm...

In the week ending February 16, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 362,000,  an increase of 20,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 342,000.  The 4-week moving average was 360,750, an increase of 8,000 from the previous week's revised average of 352,750.

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The advance number of actual initial claims under state programs, unadjusted, totaled 346,428 in the week  ending February 16, a decrease of -14,758 from the previous week.   There were 346,659 initial claims in the comparable week in 2012.

So we have a reasonable actual .vs. "adjusted" number -- heh, look at that!

What's the big table look like?

Interesting -- the EUC rolloff continues, now under 2 million total.  This is very significant, but note carefully that there is yet to be any evidence that these "newly not-drawing-UE folks" are getting jobs.  That, in turn, should be expected to show up in retail spending over the next few months, and not in a good way either.

But this week, which was the first post the February employment report, did show a nearly 77,000 drop in regular claim participants.

Call it a mixed bag with a mild positive bias for today.

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Digitlman
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Since we have CA, Hawaii, and DC data again "estimated" I do not believe these numbers.
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Why not just 'estimate' all of the data?
They are moving that way anyway.
Remember what Kyle Bass said: A Government's job is to build confidence, not tell the truth.
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I know of 2 tech companies that are laying off. Another one laid off 3 weeks ago. Rather than raising prices they cut more to maintain profits and maintain prices.

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I was commuting to a low-wage job in which I had planned to "sit out" the recession, as it were, never dreaming that it would be ongoing and deepening after this long. I left my job voluntarily because the costs of commuting combined with the pay cuts meant I would be working for less than expenses.

There are probably a lot of people in low-wage jobs facing this dilemma.

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But we've been assured (by some) that many of the unemployed were simply milking the system and would find jobs as soon as their benefits were cut off! And, if jobs were plentiful, I'd be against extended unemployment benefits, too. I wish Karl's ideas regarding tariffs received more serious consideration...
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