"The Dance" -- Budget And Politics
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Posted 2013-02-10 12:46
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"The Dance" -- Budget And Politics
 

They just don't stop, do they?

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said Sunday that Democrats have already made plenty of spending cuts, but re-stated her party’s willingness to agree to a mix of cuts and tax increases to avoid $85 billion in spending cuts set to kick in next month.

“What we do need is more revenue and new cuts,” the California congresswoman told “Fox News Sunday.”

Pelosi also called the cuts, known as sequester, a “bad idea all around.”

Then why did you and your caucus approve it in 2011?  You do remember that, right Nancy?

It seems that memories are damned short in Washington DC.  Real short, when you start talking about what people voted for.  And in this case Pelosi did vote for these cuts -- as did the rest of the caucus.

Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain told Fox on Sunday that Republicans just agreed to tax increases during a recent budget standoff but suggested he might be open to closing some tax loopholes.

He also urged both parties to work together to avoid sequester, which will result in big cuts to the defense budget.

“I’ll take responsibility as a Republican, but we’ve got to avoid it” said McCain, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee. “The world is a very dangerous place.”

And your caucus voted for it too!

Ms. Senile over there, along with Mr. McInsane, wish that we would forget.

But I do not forget.  I remember.  I remember that neither political party would make the changes in the fiscal policy necessary two years ago.  I remember quite well people like Cathy McMorris-Rodgers, who talked up a good line right until the rubber hit the road, and then she, like Boehner and rest, folded as the bunch of spineless wimps that they are. 

I remember both that the Bush Treasury lied as to their intention for the TARP bailout money (disclosed under oath by Kashkari in a hearing on Capitol Hill; they had already decided not to buy "toxic assets" before Congress passed the bill) and that Bernanke was caught pulling system liquidity into the maw of the Lehman collapse while telling everyone he was doing the opposite, never mind his repeated claims that he would not "monetize the debt" yet he has done exactly that.  We can also talk about Tim Geithner and the entirety of the FOMC, who knew in 2008 that Turbo Timmy stood accused of passing inside information to the banksters prior ot the discount rate cut in August and yet everyone remained both silent and complicit in that act up until the transcripts were released.

The number of people who have been charged with lying to Congress and prosecuted over these events?  Zero.

Worse, Congress took this "deal" to "fix" the budget problem in 2011 and then did nothing about it for a year and a half, but now this very same Congress is bleating that the day is upon us when every opportunity existed over that year and a half to have a thoughtful, public debate about how we stop deficit spending.

See, there really are only two ways to do it -- you can spend a hell of a lot less or tax a hell of a lot more.  Either path removes the artificial "demand" in the economy, which means both cause GDP to contract, at least in the short term.  And let's not kid ourselves; both sides of the aisle are equally guilty when it comes to writing checks they cannot cash.

At its core the spending problem is all centered not in the places that everyone screams about (e.g. welfare, Social Security, defense and the like) but rather in the medical industry.  It is there that we must focus our attention and make immediate and dramatic changes, but there is not even a debate on this matter taking place today. 

Any attempt to do so is either deflected or ignored despite a few people such as myself that have been spilling much digital ink for years, because without addressing this issue none of the rest matters. 

Oh, and let's not kid ourselves about Obamacare: It makes the problem worse.

It's great political fun to commit financial anal******upon our youth, who cannot vote and thus have no voice, when it comes to these issues.  Both parties deserve to see their political epitaphs written by those very same youth who simply erect their middle finger and refuse to pay for that which they did not consent to, nor do they want.  The political class is doing a great job of guaranteeing that they'll do it too; right about the time that everything they have and earn is attached for delinquent student loans they're likely to find out that youth, vigor and the middle finger all come together, and that abused people eventually reach their breaking point -- you either destroy their spirit in which case you can't collect as they don't produce anything, or they rise up and destroy you in one form or another -- sometimes politically, sometimes financially and sometimes physically.

Slavery is only a stable form of existence for those in bondage so long as they have something left to lose and the cost of breaking that bondage exceeds the cost of remaining in chains.  There comes a point where the people have had enough, and that day is approaching.  Those who believe that these "fine folks" in DC can simply order up their jackbooted thugs to go forth and crush the resistance should pay careful attention to what one man is doing out in Los Angeles. 

Chris Dorner has exposed the soft underbelly of the beast: The government and its agents no longer exist to serve and protect the public -- they now commit literally any offense upon the common man for their own political aggrandizement or survival -- including attempting to murder citizens on the flimsiest of pretext.

Not one of the LAPD involved in those shootings at innocent people is under arrest just as not one big bankster, Fedhead or politician has faced the music for what was done in the years leading up to 2008 -- or their acts since!

Yet we still have politicians of all stripes, and so-called "civil servants", who believe that the people will rise and "come together" when they need it? 

You're joking, right? 

The legacy of the LAPD shooting wildly at two vehicles that had nothing to do with the guy who declared war on them will be and should be a gigantic middle finger erected in the direction not only of the LAPD but of all "police forces" nationwide, with the exception being those agencies who immediately prosecute any and all such crimes as the common acts of thuggery that they are, with their respective chiefs and Sheriffs standing up to state here and now, before and after the fact, that such behavior will be treated as the precise same felony that it would be if a common person committed the same offense, whether that be forgery of documents in foreclosures, tossing flash-bangs on the laps of innocent kids or feloniously shooting wildly at people who have zero connection to a person you are trying to capture.

So far all I hear in that regard is..... crickets.

It is well past the time when we the people must demand that those in so-called "law enforcement" choose between law and order and sanction of lawless gangland behavior, whether the evil bastards committing the bad acts are doing so with guns or briefcases. We have hard proof in the form of bald admissions that the Justice Department will not criminally prosecute any company that it believes could impact "financial stability."  This extends not only to money laundering but also to those firms who have admitted that they were selling crap securities and robbing people of everything they own -- including their house -- through knowingly-perjured and forged documents.

This is a raw declaration by our government that if you are a large bank or other "connected" entity you can literally order up murders and get away with at most a fine that is a puny percentage of your market capitalization.

There is no longer a reasonable presumption that just because someone wears the uniform of a federal, state or local law enforcement agency they're a good guy; indeed, the presumption is shifting rapidly to they're a bad guy and aiding someone in some sort of criminal enterprise -- if they're not engaged in one themselves.  Countless acts of invading the wrong house at gunpoint, tossing flash-bang grenades onto couches and shooting through windows injuring or killing innocent people and now multiple officers wildly spraying bullets at innocent newspaper carriers are the acts of those engaged in war crimes and myriad felonies, not the acts of legitimate law enforcement.

The people didn't ask for this change to take place; the so-called "law enforcement agencies" committed all of these heinous acts on their own initiative and as such have nobody to blame but themselves for the consequence they now face.

If you're a politician and think you can just call out the jackboots to enforce your dictates you better rethink that strategy.  People only cooperate with the government willingly when they think the government is doing good things.  When they become convinced it's doing bad, evil things instead at best you get shunned. 

At worst you create thousands of Christopher Dorners.

What's even worse when you look at the fiscal bottom line, and what both sides of the political aisle refuse to recognize, is that those who are takers, and yes, this includes all who are net consumers off the Federal budget, don't matter to the fiscal outcome.  Only those who are net contributors matter.  And the ranks of those people, due to the policies of DC, are shrinking by the day.

There is an "event horizon" on this dynamic that is quite impossible to detect in advance, but that it exists is a given.  When it is reached impact with the fiscal singularity is no longer a possibility, it becomes a certainty as the spiral downward on revenue accelerates and the number of takers balloons.

If you don't see that dynamic playing out over the last few years, and thus deduce that we're quite close to that event horizon, you're not very bright.

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The people aren't talking about it because the people are aggrandizing themselves with medical care they would not otherwise get in a system constrained by available tax revenue or personal savings.

The longer we let the scam go on, the more the folks with money get ripped off.

What I've found is that most libertarians and conservatives I know personally, support cutting spending and the pain that will come with it. Liberals I know appear to operate in a different belief system - they don't believe the debt is real, Paul Krugman has convinced them all that the debt is an apparition, and they just don't care. They believer federal loans are not like consumer or industry loans, they do not need to be paid and they are not really worried about his at all.

2 liberals I floated the ideas of a different belief system told me "so what" and supported the notion of "specialness" of federal borrowing. One is a lawyer.

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Whenever any unit of government at any level is facing budget "cuts" - or even a reduction in the increase in spending - they start with the melodramatic BS. The best examples are school districts who send notes home with the first graders begging for boxes of Kleenex and erasers. "Oh woe are we - we can't even afford erasers!". Never mind that each school has 5 vice-principals, 11 counselors and a recently-built wing with a pointless four-story atrium. One of our prior communist mayors (Sharon Sayles-Belton) played this game by refusing to have the grass cut in city parks as a show of Minneapolis' supposed dire lack of funds. (The city budget is roughly twice that of any comparable city in the country.) Of course, the lawnmowers still existed and the employees still got paid, but the 18" grass was there to "show us". Thankfully, she was just seen to be totally incompetent, so we got a slightly less communist mayor who defeated her.

They're all full of ****. Cut everything.
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We have to fix this at the citizen level, not the politician level. The people are the problem.
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If you don't see that dynamic playing out over the last few years, and thus deduce that we're quite close to that event horizon, you're not very bright.


The fan is definitely turning as the ole saying goes. The question is how much excrement will come my way after it hits the fan.

Karl, the topic you've written many times, the unbanked emission of credit into the system is the enabler of this mess. It will also be the destroyer of this mess.

When I mention fractional reserve lending to people their eyes roll back in their heads in disbelief. I have no idea how to get through to them right now, maybe their attention will shift after the crash slaps one sense into them.

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Donner or Dorner?

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Donner or Dorner?


The press quotes are Dorner, but Donner has ironically an equally tragic place in California history!

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I honestly believe if they try to cut the military too much they will get a large hot war.
There are too many taunting incidents between forces all the time. All they have to do is say they were illuminated with targeting radar from a ship and put two or three missiles in it. The other guys won't be around to refute it.
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A couple of very interesting questions that I have would be:

How much of this is malice, and how much of this is just plain ignorance/stupidity?

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Imagine 10 Dorners running around LA. or how about 20, 40, 60, 100? All waging "Asymmetrical Warfare" against the police?

Just one of LA's street gangs could do this if they wanted. Think they are getting ideas right now? How about the other groups watching the response?



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suddenly people may wake up and realize how useless cops can really be. I have only ever personally met 1 cop in my entire life who isnt a complete waste of space. I worked at a gas station before college, so I got to know a ton of 'em.

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Apotheoun wrote..
How much of this is malice, and how much of this is just plain ignorance/stupidity?
There is a very large and very powerful contingency on the left that is pursuing this collapse as a means to their goal to remake the society into their ideal statist utopia... Read about the Cloward–Piven strategy.

I'd say a large percentage of those in power now are pursuing this path - with malice.

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Chris Dorner is going to be a test run for US domestic terrorism policy. The Unabomber was only couple years away from being blissfully annhiliated in his shack by an unmanned drone. Discussion about the Obama DOJ memo is going to be timely because of Dorner.

One thing the common folk can demand and petition is for non-criminal financial settlements to be ended unless there is an accompanying real criminal conviction. These non-criminal settlements cost consumers as much money if not more money then the original criminal act. They also result in millions of dollars in legal fees beyond what one would expect to earn defending an actual criminal. These suits result in increased banking and lending fees further harming real productive commerce. They obviously do not deter behaviour in any way either. They need to end.




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I have noticed that I am not the only one irate with cops being suspended with pay whenever there is an issue. Apparently even Dorner was upset over this as the two cops suspended in his instance in the van, were awarded pay. Exactly how is anyone punished when they do not have to work, yet collect a paycheck? It is bull****.

As I have harped on numerous times, there is a growing divide between government and the private sector, and nobody seems to want to address that one either. This is a particular problem in the blue states where unions reign. This is going to come to a head, just like medical cost allowed to go unrestrained with the blessing/enabling of government.

Where is the heavy challenges to the second amendment occurring? The heavily unionized blue states of NY and CA. Even taking it to the Presidential level, Obama is a heavy union supporter.

What we have is politicians understanding that to keep the union money flowing, means disarming the citizens that will rise up to the disparity of being taken from to support a royalty class of government workers to oversee them.

What happened in Wisconsin when Gov Walker threatened the union? The democratic lawmakers fled the state to Chicago!

But the disparity does not end with Unions verses the public. It also entails banks and other large corps reaping benefits with political payoffs in exchange for favors.

It has been exceedingly apparent that the political system no longer works for the people and while we have elections, our elected officials are bought before and after getting into office making our democracy a total joke. You voted? What a sucker for not understanding our political system.

Government has placed itself not as a partner, but as the enemy of the people. Government does not want this to change, as they know how to operate and profit under the current system which sells out the common man.

Whether Dorner is captured or killed, the underlying problems will remain and your union and political masters will be out there trying to collect your guns so you will not be able to resist your total enslavement.

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But, but, but we are gonna lose teachers and policeman and no one will inspect our food! Its TEOTWAWKI

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“I’ll take responsibility as a Republican, but we’ve got to avoid it” said McCain, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee. “The world is a very dangerous place.”


Typical knee jerk response coming out of the Department of War.

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I suspect neither NYPD cop in the August 2012 shooting of 9 innocent bystanders on crowded street ever got charged with anything either.


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Good point.

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And people think that peaceful protests will change things. PLEASE. Protesting doesn't work with tyrants drunk on power.

And Dorner has proved his point... LAPD (and most cops) are totally insane... just look at their reaction when ONE guy is standing up to them.

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So, Gen, since you've been on the case far longer than when you started this forum in 2007, and since you are a cunning fellow, and since you can spot a pattern that persists for years, what pattern is it that you see?

What I see is that the entire political layer of scum in ALL branchs are completely OWNED, and only do what they do as window dressing to misdirect and confuse the "people". These scum are OWNED by people and interests who wish to remain far in the shadows.

The scum layer has no clue about what you are writing, basic reality. They are most concerned about another set of rules and motivations: power. They, and those who own them, do not care about anything which might restrain them from being free to exercise their power. That includes things like fiscal prudence, etc.

IMO this is one of the reasons that societies decay: the powerful, in pursuit of their power, end up driving the larger enterprise into the dirt. It is an age old story. We just happen to be living in and witnessing the part about meeting the dirt.

Ohwell!

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"The scum layer has no clue about what you are writing, basic reality."

They are well aware of what he is writing as well as what you are writing.
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Tinman, it is only a matter of time before every dissident to the current system ends up on the list to be droned.

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For 5 years, like most of us, i have been screaming to those who would listen about the folly of our nations path. We/I have been mostly labeled as kooks and disregarded. We have been preparing for this unknowable point of recognition by the markets and society at large. Instead of being proven correct, we have gotten recovery high after recovery high and now on the brink of new all time highs. Do you remember 875 on the S&P? As we have rolled along and markets have improved, our/my arguments are disregarded more and more. Those who at least gave me the time to lend an ear before now no longer will and most now have put me in the crackpot category. The point I am trying to make is, I think our best shot to convince the electorate and politicians to make the hard choices has past. We failed, and now the worst path will be pursued with vigor. Did you guys read the latest Paul Krugman editorial?...."...Kicking the can is the only reasonable option...". It is absolutely nuts, but is now the path I see being pursued as the only "reasonable" one by our piece of **** politicians and the majority of the electorate. History repeats itself for a reason. It's interesting as hell, for sure...but I am terrified. I believe it is too late for us as a nation. Down the toilet bowl we go!
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Bert, They are evil not stupid. They always purge the useful idiots and unproductive first. The productive are the people that allow these systems to function... until they don't.
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Bert, They are evil not stupid. They always purge the useful idiots and unproductive first.

Wrong. They purge anyone with moral values who could oppose them. Then they take out the productive.

The useful idiots and unproductive are the ones who keep dictatorships alive and running.

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