Paulanderson,

I grew up in Hawaii, and as any white person who lives there can attest, there is discrimination against white people. In particular, if you speak with a mainland accent, you are certainly not accepted. The defense to the mainland accent is you have to pick up and learn the local language called pigeon English.

However even growing up there and being fully fluent in pigeon, does not relieve you from being white. It is just the way it is.

When I worked at a warehouse there, I worked with about 15 non white and all day long I was called Haole boy. Translation - White boy. All day long, that is what I was called.

About a year later I brought on a friend to work there who was also white and fluent in pigeon English. They called him Haole boy all day long too.

After a couple of weeks Haole boy, my friend stops me, he is red in the face and his hands are shaking he is so infuriated and says "We don't don't have to put up with this!"

Well, I didn't know what to do, we were seriously outnumbered and hey, these guys were kind of all extra large sized. So I held up my arm in front of me, ran my eyes along my arm. I flipped my arm over and ran my eyes across the other side of my arm. I then gazed over at his arm and then looked him in the eye and exclaimed "Hey we are white!" I then popped the question "Is there something wrong with being white?" The answer came back "NO" and then I explained that it was their problem, and not our problem, because there is nothing we can do to change ourselves from being white. After he figured this out he calmed down.

The guys in the warehouse mostly stopped calling us Haole boy over time, but it took a very long time to gain acceptance of our being there.

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CO is considered a blue state these days? The last 2 elections notwithstanding.

I moved here from CA just recently. The looniness is on the same level of Berkeley or San Francisco. The pols and media are absolutely obsessed with smoking pot (favorable) and they hate guns.

Nope i didn't have time to read the manifesto. Thanks.

Bert, I think we're mostly on the same page. There's nothing anyone can call me, or my mom, or my dog, that's going to get me to throw a punch, because I'm way beyond letting others control my behavior. I control my behavior.

All I'm saying is that I recognize that only a relatively small percentage of people in the world have gotten to that page, so I act accordingly.

Clearly, we need to ban law enforcement access to assault weapons.

"There's a betting pool on his survival among Marines at Camp Pendleton. Odds are 3.3 to 1 right now that he makes it through the end of this month."

And some people around here still think these folks will fire on us?

So he's anti 2A AND he shoots innocent civilians. **** HIm!!!! Reminds me of some of the Black Nationalist cops in the NY area (ie 100 Blacks in LE who care) These clowns blame every flaw in any minority community on the police and The Man (aka Whitey) and they're the most anti- 2A clowns going (all while THEY pack heat)

Don't get sucked in by their anti-govt spiel; they're the biggest bunch of Statists going--they just want to be the ones calling the shots.

Make no mistake, when the doody hits the fan it's cops like Dorner who will happily disarm Whitey.

CO is gonna fall. Its going though its death throws now...

Gonna be time to EE soon...

Nah, I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. From reading the manifesto, his political beliefs seem to be a lot more complicated than that. Seems like he's more of a very narcisstic and over-idealistic populist.

He seems smart, but his writings seem disjointed and a bit rambling. I'd wager a guess he was drunk when he wrote it.

winston, i read the manifesto and he seems pretty certifiable to me. he makes some good points clearly, but then he goes off on tangents-especially with all his "high value targets".

i certainly don't want to hear a gun control lecture from a man who is out right now hunting people down.

Paulanderson

I had a friend who was looking into becoming a cop with either LA or Orange county, can't remember which. As part of that process he went on ride alongs with the cops. He recalled his responding to a domestic dispute where he got spit on. That ended his desire to become a cop because he was not going to take a job where people spit on him.

That is why I say the first day at the police academy should be spit and racial slur day because to be sure, when the riots come, these cops will be tested and the wrong time to find out how they will respond is when they are in a police line taking spit and racial slurs with the very intent to make them break.

For those worried about my focus on the N word incident, it is from an employer prospective of one employee getting physical with another and an employers responsibility to protect the other employees in their normal course of work from workplace violence. My stand happens to be zero tolerance for workplace violence. My opinion was that the LAPD was negligent for not getting rid of him when this workplace violence occurred.

For you guys who disagree, you are welcome to start your own business and keep an employee on after workplace violence has occurred. :) I am not going to open myself up to that kind of liability.

Time to "Starve the Monkeys", Bertdilbert.

i just read some of the other posts.

there is a lot of support for him from marines at camp pendleton? really?

he murders a woman and her fiancee because he is mad at her dad? here's a picture and story on the murdered people:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-....

i post it because they never got a chance to write their "manifesto".

we really are screwed.

It's a testosterone fueled warriors bet Floridasandy out of their respect for killing skills. Those betting on him could easily be commanded to kill the wanted man even at the cost of losing their bet that he lives I'm certain. Sick but that's war and men.

I'm still impressed that not many people have gone into vendetta against cops in the last few years after all the crap the cops have done and have never ever lost their job/gone to prison...

There's lots of areas with LOTS of crooked cops... NY, LA, Chicago, etc... and none of them had a nightly visit that ended with them not waking up the next day.

Some of the cases I've read are just insane... if that happened to one of my family members, I would surely go get some payback if the cop/person involved got no repercussion whatsoever.

There are two versions of Dorner's manifesto out there. The extended (director's cut perhaps) version is where he goes on and on about how great gun control is, how wonderful Obama, the fed gov, Feinstein and Piers Morgan are.

The long version smells fishy to me. Tacked on to promote gun control.

Floridasandy: I don't think so. They won't celebrate the killing of innocents. Nobody sane would - I seriously doubt even dorner himself likes that. He simply doesn't seem insane enough to like it. Enough to do it, yes, but not to like doing it.

Maybe that's a bit of semantics that doesn't even matter.

The point isn't that he's killed innocents, it's that he's a man who's had enough and striking back in the only way he can. And doing it quite effectively so far.

asimov, striking back? killing innocents? isn't he missing the whole point of his jackass manifesto-you know, punish the bad guys, and correct their "moral compass"?

the actual point is that he has killed innocent people.

the dead people did nothing to him, and he is just another psycho who probably shouldn't have been passed the psyche test to be a cop-maybe i am assuming too much that they have psyche tests?

There's a reason they don't allow intelligent people to become cops. (And yes, if you're not aware of it, they really don't.)

More to your point though:

You have to accept a couple of points before it makes any sort of sense at all, even from his own perspective.

1) He feels it's WAR.

2) Innocents die in war.

3) There's no better way to destroy the ability of those officers to do their job than by threatening their loved ones.

4) The threats mean nothing unless he shows he's willing to follow through.

I'm not saying *I* believe he's right or anything of the sort. I'm trying to point out the type of thought process that's apparently going on in his head.

so this is just one of the people who would want to take away our guns?

i am not giving anything up. :)

Y'all here talk about smokin' the mans family while he's out snatching your guns.

When the rubber meets the road are family members of statists fair game or not?

Florida: I have no clue on that. The text says so and I can imagine some situations were somebody like him could have that belief, but all we can do is guess at any of this. Not only guess at what has happened because we don't know what the truth is, but guess at which parts we're being told are true right now too.

Harrison: No, they're not. But I'm also aware that I'd be *MUCH* less successful if I was in his shoes than he's likely to be and it's entirely due to the fact that I couldn't consider them a direct target under any circumstances I can imagine.

i am sure that the hispanic woman and her mom (delivering newspapers) who got shot by the police are going to be suing, and they are going to get a hefty settlement.

i never did think it was fair that taxpayers were stuck footing the bill for the actions of individuals-and that only the individuals should be sued. (but then i guess that defeats the whole deep pockets thing).

but why should we have to pay if some cop does screw up?