How 'Ya Like 'Dem (Poison) Apples, Christians?
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Posted 2013-02-02 12:19
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How 'Ya Like 'Dem (Poison) Apples, Christians?
 

This would be amusing were it not so disgusting -- and sad.

Conservative and religious groups panned the Obama administration's long-awaited  "accommodation" meant to spare religious-affiliated groups from the so-called  contraceptive mandate, calling a proposal unveiled Friday "radically  inadequate."

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Another lawsuit was brought by Ave Maria University in Florida. The school's president, Jim Towey, said Friday that the suit would stand "until we have heard where our country's Catholic bishops stand."

Towey, in a statement, called the latest proposal a "provocation," and a "bizarre, new bureaucracy to obscure who exactly is paying for the abortion-inducing drugs and other services covered by the mandate."

Except those who want the government to take it all over, which is a surprising piece of the so-called "Mainstream" Catholics:

Another group that has been supportive of the administration in the past, Catholics United, praised the proposal Friday.

"This is a victory not only for the Obama administration, but for the Catholic Church," director James Salt said.

Note that you can call something anything you want.  This 501c(4) is a political organization that is not officially affiliated with the Catholic Church, but has taken its moniker so as to promote the belief that it is.  And if you read that story, you won't find the distinction pointed out.

Why not?

Well, isn't it obvious?

Incidentally the group was formed after the 2004 elections in which Republicans attempted to convince Catholics not to vote for John Kerry because he supported abortion.

So does the Catholic Church, at least in name and formal claims.

But the problem with reducing health care to a social justice argument and claim of entitlement is that when that is then coupled with an "unending and unalienable right to life" you wind up with an impossible mixture of demand and supply.  That is, you have the demand from a religious organization to spend other people's money to prolong or enhance that which is not naturally achievable. 

Without the force of government such a demand falls to private charity and conscience, and that serves as the counterbalance against what is otherwise a black hole that consumes all resource in a futile attempt to keep each individual from meeting God for the second time just one more year, month, day, hour and then finally second.

This is by definition an unnatural and Satanic thing, if you believe in God.  For if you believe in God then you also believe God had a hand in Man's design, and in that design he placed mortality.  That is, we all shall die.  While you can make an argument under the rubric of God's design that acts taken to intentionally shorten one's life are sinful (immoral) we don't want to go there, do we, or we'd be talking about sloth and corpulance, and that discussion would have to begin with high-fructose corn syrup, carbs and "engineered" transfats and hydrogenated oils, all of which are a gross distortion of what that very same God put on the planet with us for our consumption.

Now, having set forward the intentional derogation of what which God placed on the planet, we now have groups that call for a very pleasant "barbell" strategy.  Rather than stress individual responsibility and consequence for one's actions (like, for instance, the consequence that comes from screwing anything that walks on two legs without a care in the world) we then decide that we'll move the line of where "life" is wherever it's convenient -- when it's convenient.

So we charge a man who murders a pregnant woman with two murders, but at the same time were that same woman to walk into an abortion clinic an hour earlier, abort the fetus and then be murdered we would charge the same killer with one murder instead of two.  Where did the other murder disappear to? 

There are generally speaking four forms of homicide: Praiseworthy, Justified, Excusable and Felonious.  Shooting Hitler, had you been able to do so, would have been in the first category.  The rapist breaking into your home is the second.  The third is the sort that happens when through no fault of your own there is a car accident and someone dies.  And finally, the last is what happens when some thug jumps a fence and opens fire with a gun that doesn't really exist in a city that waves paper around and claims it will stop bullets.

The puerile insanity that pervades so-called "public debate" among the latter category stands in stark contrast to the facts -- a million killings take place every single year in America, and we don't call them homicides because they are killings of convenience with 99% of them only being possible because of a consensual act of the person who causes them to be committed.

At the same time we want to have a debate about "gun control", centered on rifles when in point of fact baseball bats, hammers and other blunt instruments are used to murder more often than rifles in a given year.  Yet nobody is arguing for banning baseball bats and hammers.

The argument is often made that "assault weapons" are only for committing mass-murder.  Yet the facts are that millions of them destroy nothing other than paper every single year in America.  In 2011 there were 323 homicides in which a rifle (of any sort, including but not limited to an "assault weapon") was used -- out of 12,644 murders, or 2.6%.

This compared with 728 murders, or about twice as many, committed with hands, feet, fists and other body parts, 1,694 committed with knives and 1,659 committed with other weapons (such as golf clubs, baseball bats and hammers.)

Will all those "Good Catholics" who stand for pre-crime amputation of hands and feet please rise!

This is what passes for "public debate" these days -- a legislative feel-good festival of fact-free pablum.  It is why our nation is disintegrating around us; we have for decades promised people that which we cannot deliver and deflected our political and economic debate from mathematical reality.  We wish to argue over "assault weapons" when on a comparative basis they are responsible for less than 3% of all murders, half of those committed with hands and feet and one tenth of those committed with knives and blunt instruments such as baseball bats and golf clubs combined.  Yet we hold Congressional hearings and pass laws under the claim of "emergency" with legislators not even reading the bill before voting on it, and then the traitorous governor who orchestrated this knowing these facts and thus doing so with intentional disregard for public safety and unalienable rights sends his jackbooted bastards around to try to drum up support ex-post facto. 

It does appear, however, that finally the public has woken up, at least in New York

If this spreads into the other areas of our national political scene where similar and even more-outrageous lies, scams and frauds are conducted by the day, whether it be in "health care", "education" or God forbid, banking and finance, then we would really be making progress.

Many people have emailed me wondering why I have spent so much time on the 2nd Amendment issues and why there's even a separate category that I created for it here on The Ticker, when this is primarily a blog about finance and economics.

That's simple, really: The destruction of fact-based analysis and journalism is not restricted to economics and finance and there is no better illustration of the intentional lying and obfuscation that goes on in our government and political sphere than is found in this topic, or for that matter in the so-called "health care" debate as applies to religious organizations.

Those who embrace "government" lies for their own political agenda eventually find themselves with the running chainsaw of lies they attempted to foist on others being shoved up their exit door.  The Catholic Church and affiliated groups have taken what was a pastoral mandate to promote and provide charity for the less-fortunate and attempted to foist that off as a mandate enforced not by persuasion from the pulpit but rather by physical force.  Having taken their preaching of fire and brimstone and turned it into 3,200fps chunks of lead flung by government agents at their behest they now scream as those chunks embed themselves in their own bodies, writing in self-inflicted agony brought by their own idiotic conversion of persuasion to force.

Likewise we take what was an argument of moral persuasion when it comes to health care -- take care of oneself or suffer the consequences, including the possibility that you might need to beg for help from someone else, and turned that into a mandate backed with force.  Then when that force is turned upon you and suddenly the "promise" of lower cost health care turns out to be instead a doubling of your expense what are you to do?  You ceded the debate when you gave the government the right to shove its guns up your ass and demand your money exactly as a robber does, and now you complain about the terms?  Perhaps you should think about reversing your original consent, eh?

Likewise with the markets -- we all scream about the "housing bust" and how it hurt people, but what government did was protect those who stole from you.  Now we have individual counties discovering they were rooked out of a million dollars in recording fees and that virtually every transaction over the last two years in those counties is tainted and thus the supposed "owners" of those homes are exposed to having to pay twice or losing their house entirely!  Rather than imprison the fraudsters we said "protect those poor homeowners" and what we got was "protection" all right -- exactly as the mafia provides it by demanding you hand over the contents of your wallet or Guido comes and breaks your legs.  Meanwhile the robber barons on Wall Street go free despite admitting to forging hundreds of thousands of documents and laundering money for various nefarious and illegal purposes.

At the core of all of this is your refusal to demand fact-based examination of policy along with adherence to the Rule of Law and Constitution.   As soon as you compromise on those principles and allow "expedience" or "feelings" to trump facts you will be screwed by those who are sociopaths and act not out of compassion but unbridled greed and avarice. 

These people are known as legislators, governors, Priests, Bishops, Cardinals, Judges, and Presidents, and until and unless you, as citizens, put your foot down and say "NO", willing to defend that statement with your lives, fortunes and sacred honor, this crap will not end.

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Funny thing about Catholic hierarchy they like their beliefs when it suits them and apply them or have no problems setting their beliefs aside when it serves them the best. Like when their beliefs stand in the way of them paying out in a lawsuit.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/34....

"Catholic hospital says 'a fetus is not a person'

A Catholic hospital embroiled in a lawsuit involving the death of twin fetuses is arguing that they should not be held responsible for the death of the unborn children because "a fetus is not a person".
The defense stems from a wrongful death lawsuit brought against Catholic Health Initiatives.
On January 1, 2006, thirty-one-year-old Lori Stodghill began experiencing shortness of breath and vomiting. Being 7-months pregnant with twins, she contacted her obstetrician, Dr. Pelham Staples, who told her to go to the emergency room (ER) at St. Thomas More hospital in Cañon City, CO. Her husband, Jeremy, took her to the emergency room and left her with the admitting staff while he parked the car. When he arrived back in the ER, he found Stodghill unconscious with a nurse rubbing her chest and telling her to "wake up"."


Not that like Obamacare's stance one bit, but they should run with this lawsuit and slam the Catholics as being hypocrites. Sorry, Catholics you can't have it both ways! Or maybe they think they can? But, then they probably believe you can get to heaven through hell...

True Catholics should hold this hospital to task, not only are they hypocrites but they don't own up to their mistakes and do the right thing.





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That last part is perfection. The truth plain and simple.
Put down your petty self serving biases and do the right thing.

Man I wish I could write like you Karl. Thanks you made my day.
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Another lawsuit was brought by Ave Maria University in Florida. The school's president, Jim Towey, said Friday that the suit would stand "until we have heard where our country's Catholic bishops stand.


Answer: with Alter boys kneeling before Them.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-....

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The archdiocese of Los Angeles learned in the late 1970s that one of its priests had sexually assaulted a 16-year-old boy so violently that he was left bleeding and "in a state of shock." The priest said he was too drunk to remember what happened and officials took no further action.

But two decades later, word reached Cardinal Roger M. Mahony that the same priest was molesting again and improperly performing the sacrament of confession on his victim. The archdiocese sprang to action: It dispatched investigators, interviewed a raft of witnesses and discussed the harshest of all church penalties—not for the abuse but for the violation of church law.

"Given the seriousness of this abuse of the sacrament of penance … it is your responsibility to formally declare the existence of the excommunication and then refer the matter to Rome," one cleric told Mahony in a memo.

Full coverage: Priest Abuse Scandal

The case of Father Jose Ugarte is one of several instances detailed in newly released records in which archdiocese officials displayed outrage over a priest's ecclesiastical missteps while doing little for the victims of his sexual abuse.

The revelations emerged from 12,000 pages of the once-confidential personnel files of more than 100 priests accused of abuse. The archdiocese posted the documents on its website Thursday night, an hour after a Los Angeles judge ended five and a half years of legal wrangling over the release of the files with an order compelling the church to make the documents public within three weeks.

Victims, their lawyers, reporters and members of the public spent hours Friday poring through records that stretched back to the 1940s and provided details about the scope of abuse in church ranks never before seen.

The files also suggested that the attempts to protect abusers from law enforcement extended beyond the L.A. archdiocese to a Catholic order tasked with rehabilitating abusers.

"Once more, we ask you to PLEASE DESTROY THESE PAGES AND ANY OTHER MATERIAL YOU HAVE RECEIVED FROM US," the acting director of the order's treatment program wrote to Mahony in 1988 in a letter detailing therapists' reports about a prolific molester. "This is stated for your own and our legal protection."

The order, the Servants of the Paraclete, closed the New Mexico facility where many Los Angeles priests were sent amid a flood of lawsuits in the mid-1990s. A lawyer for the order declined to comment, but indicated in a 2011 civil court filing that all treatment records were destroyed.

Mahony disregarded the order's advice, and therapy memos are among the most detailed records in the files.

One evaluation recounts how Father Joseph Pina, an East L.A. parish priest, said he was attracted to a victim, an eighth-grade girl, when he saw her in a costume.

"She dressed as Snow White … I had a crush on Snow White, so I started to open myself up to her," he told the psychologist. In a report sent to a top Mahony aide, the psychologist expressed concern the abuse was never reported to authorities.

"All so very sad," Mahony wrote years later after Pina was placed on leave. He was defrocked in 2006.

The limitations of the treatment at the Servants' center are evident in the file. After months of therapy in 1994, Father John Dawson was allowed to leave the facility for a weekend. Among the first things Dawson, who had been accused of plying altar boy victims with pot and beer, did was apply for a job at the Arizona Boys School in Phoenix. Treatment center staff found out only after the school phoned Dawson to arrange an interview. "Had they not called the Villa, it is doubtful that Fr. Dawson would have informed us of that job application and interview," according to a 1994 letter to Mahony's vicar for clergy, Msgr. Timothy Dyer.

In some cases, the behavior that drew the greatest ire of the hierarchy involved breaking church rather than criminal laws. After first learning of Michael Baker's abuse of boys in 1986, church leaders sent the priest to therapy, then returned him to ministry believing his word that he would stay away from children.

Yet in 2000, information that Baker was performing baptisms without permission set off a new level of alarm among the church's top officials. They discussed launching a canonical investigation, and for the first time in Baker's checkered years with the church, officials raised the prospect of contacting police.

They mulled getting a restraining order to keep him away from churches.

"Please proceed — this is very bad!" Mahony scrawled across the bottom of a memo on starting a church investigation into the baptisms. Ultimately, church officials did not seek a restraining order.

Archdiocese officials finally contacted police about Baker's abuse of children when the scandal erupted in 2002.

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One of my liberal friends actually said that they were happy to see a President ruling by emotion finally!

That was very scary, if that's what people think is the right way to govern.
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This is what passes for "public debate" these days -- a legislative feel-good festival of fact-free pablum.


Unfortunately, that is 100% true on every issue. Even worse than that is the name calling when you present hard-to-refute facts. God help us but our fellow citizens are mostly a mindless horde who vote based on the last surge of emotion that hits before they pull the lever.

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The Catholic Church and affiliated groups have taken what was a pastoral mandate to promote and provide charity for the less-fortunate and attempted to foist that off as a mandate enforced not by persuasion from the pulpit but rather by physical force. Having taken their preaching of fire and brimstone and turned it into 3,200fps chunks of lead flung by government agents at their behest they now scream as those chunks embed themselves in their own bodies, writing in self-inflicted agony brought by their own idiotic conversion of persuasion to force.


Right on Karl.

It's all about the grab by psychopaths for power - and these people exist in religious organizations also. I am reminded of the constant conflicts of cardinals and kings - all that attempt to enforce their agendas by force. When one starts to feed on the other, they cry foul.

All of this is in direct contradiction to any written scripture I have read. The transformation comes from the heart and in the spirit of an individual from freely choosing to help those in need. Take away the freedom to choose, and then no spiritual conversion or goodness can occur. By freely helping others then we make ourselves better people.

It proves the people forcing such agendas are neither righteous nor moral and in fact are an anathema to the very religions they promote. The limit of a hypocrite is the willingness of others to believe him.






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It is all about taking your money and rewarding themselves from your labors. Children are mere pawns to achieve their goals.

I find it impossible where government can move further and further to enslave our children on an ongoing basis and then then bring a bunch of young tykes on the stage and claim they are acting on their behalf. The children of this country are being set up for an ass raping. The actions they are taking today ensure it.

Sadly the public goes along with it and they cannot be so dumb as to be ignorant of the situation. I can only conclude that the general populace approves of slavery as long as they see themselves being a direct beneficiary of such slavery.

We may as well stamp the USA as slavery approved.


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lately, i can't shake this feeling that we are already in hell.

karl, i'm not sure how do it but thank you.

Godspeed.


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Karl, you gotta stop, I really can't handle the truth, it makes a mockery of my petty thoughts.
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When a "church" accepts money from the public, uses public buildings such as schools, funds political campaigns, pays lobbyists, houses voting precincts, it should not be allowed to occupy prime real estate and fund itself tax free.

If any entity decides to nuzzle the government teat, it shouldn't be surprised when the sow calls in its favors.
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This is the problem with both conservatives and liberals; they both think that the big government that THEY approve of will never bite THEM (or anyone else for that matter) in the @$$.

You would think that after enough snake bites that they would finally learn their lesson. I guess not.

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In the wake of the school shooting in CT, and about 3-weeks before Christmas, the Pastor of my local Catholic congregation got up for his homily and said, basically, that you cannot be a Catholic and not support additional "gun control" measures. This was the proverbial last straw for me and I did something then I've never done before - I got up in the middle of a service and left. And until someone can point to me where in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John or Acts the case for "gun control" is made I won't be back.

Catholics, at least in this part of the US, seem to have a real problem with understanding that "charity" enforced by government from the business-end of the very sort of guns many of them want banned from the public is nothing at all resembling charity, and the pawning-off service to the poor onto paid bureaucrats does precisely nothing to absolve them of Christ's charge to care for those in need themselves.

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Here's input on this from a Jew, sure you can't wait to read it.

Why does the state get involved in reproduction? People have sex and if they have offspring they are responsible for them, no one else.

As sex "happens" the means to prevent pregnancy should not involve government or religious sanction.

Anyone should be able to purchase birth control more effective than a condom at a 7-11 or supermarket or pharmacy.

That should include birth control pills, the patch and the ring, with appropriate labels with warnings that individuals can read, or not.

And no more arguments over when life begins. There is no agreement so accept the disagreement and let others think what they like.

If you had more accessible birth control there would be less abortion needed anyway and everyone would be happy about that. No one "likes" abortion anyway so the common ground should be getting the government out of the way in deciding who gets what contraception and who pays for it. My goodness. Are they also involved with regulating how long you should take and how loud one should scream?

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Agreed.

The problem the Catholics -- and most of the others screaming on this and related things -- is that they ceded the argument as soon as they agreed that the government had the right to come into the bedroom in the first place.

Never mind that there's a Constitutional way to do this, if you think you can pass it. It's called a Constitutional Amendment.

Good luck on changing the words "born or naturalized" to "conceived" in a LAWFUL manner.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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...the Pastor of my local Catholic congregation got up for his homily and said, basically, that you cannot be a Catholic and not support additional "gun control" measures....

Bet he's 'squishy' about other issues as well...My guess - heretic!



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Good you walked out as I bet your home now has lower risk of being robbed.

Karl you know what else is strange in this strange strange world? The concept that it's a woman's right "to choose" in the abortion debate.

If the male partner has to pay up if the child is born and must have been there at the scene of the crime then, if you wanted to take sides in this debate (which I don't, just posting here) why is the guy removed from this part of the equation? Just askin'

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Because it isn't about choice. It's about slavery.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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And the 'feminists' still complain.

Whenever one complains to me I point out that women live about 3 years longer than men. I tell them whenever you women are willing to die younger you can get back to me.

Flap

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Here are my predictions for everyone to see:
S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu.
"You can't build a house of cards on a shaking table." - Tony Johns
The January 2015 AMZN put at $130 (cost $4.25) will be a winner.
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Tickerguy wrote..
At the core of all of this is your refusal to demand fact-based examination of policy along with adherence to the Rule of Law and Constitution. As soon as you compromise on those principles and allow "expedience" or "feelings" to trump facts you will be screwed by those who are sociopaths and act not out of compassion but unbridled greed and avarice.
You can mark where illegitimacy rates soared, among all classes but the worst among the underclass. It was when Johnson's War on Poverty scam started in the '60s.

By now, the blocks have been kicked out from under all the organic supports for society such as family and church. The vast majority of the population today is dependent for its care and survival on the artificial bureaucratically-administered supports of the corrupt Nanny State. Which have been cobbled together expressly, not at all to provide their advertised "benefits," but solely to enrich the system's political and financial insiders at the expense of the commonweal, now bankrupt.

I hope that ****er Johnson rots in Hell.

http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2010....

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/wi....

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