GDP: Told 'Ya So
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Posted 2013-01-30 08:43
by Karl Denninger
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GDP: Told 'Ya So
 

Told 'ya so, given the leading indicators in the Fed indices

Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States -- decreased at an annual rate of 0.1 percent in the fourth quarter of 2012 (that is, from the third quarter to the fourth quarter), according to the "advance" estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the third quarter, real GDP increased 3.1 percent.

smiley

That will be the end of that.

CNBC is spinning like crazy, but it's hard to spin this number.  It sucks.

The decrease in real GDP in the fourth quarter primarily reflected negative contributions from private inventory investment, federal government spending, and exports that were partly offset by positive contributions from personal consumption expenditures (PCE), nonresidential fixed investment, and residential fixed investment.  Imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP, decreased.

 The downturn in real GDP in the fourth quarter primarily reflected downturns in private inventory investment, in federal government spending, in exports, and in state and local government spending that were partly offset by an upturn in nonresidential fixed investment, a larger decrease in imports, and an acceleration in PCE.

Yes, the government was real.  But the real inventory numbers are more meaningful.

"Buying" growth with federal spending doesn't work.  Rick Santelli is hammering on this and he's right -- this is a crap report and is underlining exactly what has been going on for the last several years.

There were other big distortions in the data that were helpful to the number -- for example, "equipment and software" which was up big, but almost all of that is likely attributable to the fear of expiring tax credits for accelerated depreciation (which means "look out below!" for first quarter's report in another three months!

Exports are down big (5.7%) and that is likely not related to tax policy. 

Government spending's decrease was all defense; ex-defense it was up 1.4%.

Finally, real gross domestic purchases were only up 0.1% .vs. 2.6% in the third quarter.  That's real final demand -- and it collapsed.  Note that this was into the holiday season and thus would be expected to be seasonally strong.

Disposible personal income was up big -- and that will require some investigation.  A large part of this may be pulled-forward asset sales to get under the tax increase window.  The "savings rate" increase implies this was at least partly the case, and may be entirely the case.

Current-dollar GDP (adjusted for inflation) was up only 0.5%, which sucks.

This is a crap report but has hair all over it.  While there will undoubtedly be plenty of people pointing fingers when you get the one-time distortions from the fiscal cliff fears out of the report the real issue is found in inventory and domestic purchases -- and both of those suck.

Update: As expected, the detail tables tell the tale -- the personal income addition was from asset sales and special dividends, presumably to get in front of tax rate changes.  Specifically, wage income increased by $62 billion, but income receipt on assets was up $141.6 billion on the quarter, a monstrous change.  Last quarter this figure was slightly negative and historically it tends to be reasonably stable.

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..and the Dow is positive! LOL

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Is anyone watching Krugman on CSpan? Anyone read his book 'End this Depression Now'?
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So does the dow hit all time highs today then? Lmao
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Blah blah blah. Tired of all the bad news cuz I need a new job :(. Current one sucks but it's super secure and I keep passing up decent opportunities at smaller companies but much less secure.
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Xq: no and why the hell would I?

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Looks like everyone was too busy buying guns to do their Christmas shopping.

LOL

On another note - it does not bode well that the spinners have 'ALLOWED' a negative GDP print to make it into the public media.

That's the real tell right there. The GDP is fraudulent and always has been. The fact that they no longer care enough to lie about it, well that's the real news.

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US 1OY 2.01%
US 30Y 3.19%

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BULLISH!!!!

-0.1 is a suspicious number. I bet revisions take it lower.
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@Nate:

Same position as you. not enough $$$ at this job... BUT super secure.

In weighing the options of what I see a future blow up in the market again...I am chosing the secure job until I feel it absoultely safe to leave.

Be careful what you chose. I have kids and a mortgage... Not sure where you stand.

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Look again at the Ticker -- detail tables are now available, and the "income" change is from what I expected -- huge pulled-forward figures from special dividends and (presumed) asset sales into expected tax rate changes.

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Well I don't know about stocks, but gold and silver went straight up just now. I think that is a panic reaction to this report.
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It's end of month so they have to end the month real strong. Take the market up regardless of the news.
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Exports are down big (5.7%) and that is likely not related to tax policy.


Didn't a senior Obama official tell Kyle Bass the administration wants to kill the US dollar to boost exports?

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Yah well you can see how well that has worked.

NOT!

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"Didn't a senior Obama official tell Kyle Bass the administration wants to kill the US dollar to boost exports?"

To reference that awesome SNL skit, other than weapons and diabetes, what are we exporting? Our manufacturing base is long gone.
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I was expecting negative GDP prints but not until 2013.

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The spin now is that this is one off. Q1 2013 will be positive again.

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Annnnndddd.... recession! So did anyone in mainstream call this ahead of time? Negative GDP is not exactly a small deal for equity markets.
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The spin now is that this is one off. Q1 2013 will be positive again.

I doubt it. There are no guns or ammo left to buy. smiley

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Wow, missed by 1.2%. When was the last time GDP missed median estimates by more than 1%? I wish I had a chart of actual vs consensus per quarter.
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Bullish. More QE coming to a market near you.

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we're rallying! ffs

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So more QE?

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I dunno... The Fed had to know GDP wasn't looking so good when it started sending signals that QE might end sooner than later. Then there's the small issue of bonds, which are drifting up

But who the hell knows...

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Our manufacturing base is long gone.


No, it's not, but it's in deep trouble. Our foundries are gone, and our domestic materials manufacturing is gone, but actual manufacturing ability still exists.

Having to buy our plastic and metals from foreign nations is becoming a problem. Plastics rationing (allotments) is directly responsible for one dead company I know of. Well, poor leasing decisions was, but expansion was predicated on being able to get raw materials - and the manufacturers of those aren't inclined to increase production
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