Now if only our Congresspeople knew what that silly old thing was called the Constitution.../sarc

He's actually read it, which is rare all by itself in that Den of Thieves.

Yeah, I like Kerry. My clap was for him...it's the rest of them I worry about.

I'm pretty sure that if the men who wrote the constitution realized how politics would have evolved to the point where men (and women) without any honor would occupy the positions of power, they would have placed additional and more explicid safeguards within the constitution.

I for one would love to see an amendement that all laws expire after 25 years. (or some other reasonable time)

Grunwald, the only thing that will safeguard our liberties is good character and good morals in the population, because only a population with those qualities will be able to consistently elect statesmen with those qualities.

Any safeguards that might have been added by the founding fathers would be have been ignored by today's populace and politicians, just as they ignore the safeguards that were added by the founding fathers.

We have to clean up our society before we can clean up our government.

Yeah, no problem. They can just bury "Commerce Clause, or whatever..." on page 4675 of every bill.

Unfortunately, it doesn't have a hope in hell of passing.

That being said, the reason for that is because it isn't just a suggestion. Parting ways from the former versions of this Bill, all language has been changed to read 'SHALL'.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/11....

It's a hardcore rule change. No source reference of authority, no Bill.

I like the word SHALL in legislation.

I'm also a fan of "SHALL NOT".

Well SHALL is included in SHALL NOT

How about shalt? I too support this bill - but as you know, various clauses in the Constitution, particularly the commerce clause, have been expanded beyond recognition. Also, isn't this the job of the Supreme Court?

Supremes can't do **** without it being brought before them. And NO, Congress policing itself is NOT the Supremes' job. This is a perfect bill, to **** all with the statist bull****.

More like this - LIMITS on .gov are GOOD.

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Also, isn't this the job of the Supreme Court?

No...it's a job the Supreme Court has illegally taken upon itself.

Mpilar, I've been pointing that out to anybody that will listen, for months now.

I'm pleased to see this and hope it makes it into the MSM and national discussion, but this has as much chance of passing as a balanced budget amendment.

> I'm pretty sure that if the men who wrote the constitution realized how politics would have evolved to the point where men (and women) without any honor
> would occupy the positions of power, they would have placed additional and more explicid safeguards within the constitution.

That would have helped very little because the enforcement of such additional and explicit safeguards would be done by the same society that produced the corrupt politicians.
The Constitution as it stands is full of explicit safeguards. If it had been followed to the letter of the law we wouldn't be in this condition.

> I for one would love to see an amendement that all laws expire after 25 years. (or some other reasonable time)

At the end of every bill would be something like "When voting for this bill you are also voting to vote for its automatic renewal whenever it expires." If that didn't work they'd come up with some other form of automatic renewal.

The bottom line is that if people want to break the rules instead of uphold them then they will find some way or another to do it eventually.

John Adams:

"While our country remains untainted with the principles and manners which are now producing desolation in so many parts of the world; while she continues sincere, and incapable of insidious and impious policy, we shall have the strongest reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned us by Providence. But should the people of America once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another, and towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation while it is practising iniquity and extravagance, and displays in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candor, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable habitation in the world; because we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

http://historicwords.com/american-histor....

I'm pretty sure that somewhere during law school and during congressional orientation for new members, there's a secret class where they're taught that "Shall Not" actually means "Shall."