Done. I haven't heard Sheriff Joe's position on this yet, but given what he thinks of Obama, I bet it's very similar.

http://patdollard.com/2013/01/kentucky-s....

Jackson County Kentucky Sheriff Denny Peyman is making it clear that no law that violates the Constitution will be upheld in his county.

Eastern KY

Google it and a plethora of links come up

Wow, maybe there is hope after all. Well written letter.

You're sure about this? Allowing some local yokel sheriff to become the arbiter of what is and is not constitutional? Talk about your slippery slopes; I'll check back when Sheriff Fife decides that YOUR protest is not protected First Amendment speech.

Hog - I saw the Sheriff yesterday on the Lexington stations. He pretty much put Gov Beshear on notice too. Given the way self defense with a gun stories get widely promulgated and praised on our local media (except the Herald-Leader), I don't see our local boys doing much to enforce a ban.

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Allowing some local yokel sheriff to become the arbiter of what is and is not constitutional?

At least your county sheriff is elected locally and can be booted out of office at the next election. The Supreme Court is completely appointed and is the arbiter of what is and is not constitutional. What is really better here?

While that is great that Sheriffs are doing things like that what I really hope happens after these 19 or so executive orders are revealed today is that state governments pass legislation that executive orders xxxxxxx through xxxxxx are unconstitutional and will not be enforced in the state of Texas, Montana, Oklahoma, Kansas etc., etc. each state making its own statement of NO!

The tone of yesterdays press conference and today 19 executive orders???? I really believe the president is trying to push a cultural battle and really really ramp up the battle between those who cherish the constitution and those who don't. I think subtle change is... sooooo last term... now its full on in your face movement towards a socialist utopia.

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Allowing some local yokel sheriff to become the arbiter of what is and is not constitutional?

There are so many things wrong with this statement. Where do I start?

First do you have any idea how powerful most sheriffs are?

Do you know they're elected?

But mostly, they took an oath. So to that, wtf? Where were you when they were refusing to enforce evictions in fraud foreclosures? Where were you when they decided to step in when the Federal government would not enforce Federal immigration rules? Where were you when they remove corrupt police officers and chiefs from power?

You can't pick and choose. If you don't want someone that will NOT see a bad law for what it is, then please stay in Philly among your own.

Mayorviolet,
So you think an executive order is constitutional?

Mayorviolet,

Why is the Sheriff less qualified than the President to determine what is or is not constitutional?

NO, the county Sheriff isin't my first pick BUT,

I want the supreme court to decide what is con or uncon, but since they don't
I want the legislators to stand up for the constitution but since they don't
I want the states courts and legislators to stand up for the constitution but since the jury is still out on that one

THANK GOD for the red tape cutting, constitution protecting "little guy" aka the local Sheriff

Is the Sheriff the ONLY elected official I want arbitrating/defending the constitution? Well better him then NO ONE!

Lets just HOPE at least a few of the states ALSO take up the fight so that its harder for the media to marginalize the issues.

Y'all are missing the big picture here ...

If half a dozen sheriffs (out of 3000 + counties) do or do not stand up will make zero difference to the steam roller that is flattening this nation.

What IS important is the for the first time you have lawman against lawman (wonder who will shoot the others dogs first LOL). And throughout history it has been this schism (or soldier against soldier) that really indicates when a nation or empire is on the verge of civil war.

If the Feds want to, they can 'invade' the county and attempt to arrest the sheriff, who, under the Patriot Act will be legally a terrorist, and under the NDAA can be 'disappeared' with no trial.

If the sheriff has the support of his men, you get a standoff - kind of like Ruby Ridge or Waco, only both sides being cops. And then someone will inevitably start shooting ... or the sheriff will cave and be arrested. At no time will the Federal Govt EVER consider standing down, they never have and they never will - it is the most consistent thing about them - they are incapable of backing down.

If there are shots fired in one of these counties, then the fat lady has sung.

In history this type of thing has happened again and again and most of the time the protaganists are people who generally have not thought thru their actions at all.

I wholeheartedly support them - not that it matters - because this whole process has been pretty much inevitable (Fourth Turning) for a long time now.

But I hope these sheriffs all understand the gravity of what they have done because what they have really done is the same thing Koresh and Weaver did, only with badges on both sides this time around.

The Battle for Athens

Google it.

I understand how folks are uneasy with giving yet another executive branch official--in this case, a sheriff--implicit Constitution-interpreting authority. However, the degree to which that authority can be exercised between the President and a sheriff is vastly different. Here are couple of the differences:

- The President is the CEO of the federal government, which wields power over citizens in every state from a capital city thousands of miles away from millions of people. The President has no idea what life in Texas is like, let alone life here in Williamson County. The Williamson County sheriff, however, can at least be trusted to understand local issues and sentiment far better than a far-away near-dictator.
- The sheriff is an elected official while Supreme Court justices appointed by the President are unelected. Sheriffs get the explicit consent of the voting public to accomplish their duties. Supreme Court justices are trusted to "do the right thing" but could just as easily be plants intent on subverting the Rule of Law.

This is just the reality of human existence, folks. There is no such thing as an impartial judge. Judges are human just like all of us, and as humans they can be corrupted and subverted to do evil. We cannot continue to believe in the myth of an impartial judiciary that will magically rule on the Constitution the way we may expect. When it comes down to it, it is up to each US citizen to determine their own interpretation of the Constitution and act on those interpretations in their own way.

One way to think of these sheriffs is not as power-hungry, sociopathic dictators-in-training but rather as citizens just like you and me, trained to enforce the law within their counties. The supreme law of the land is (or should be) the Constitution.

One question I have for everyone: Is the supreme law of the land actually the Constitution as written, or is it always a judge's interpretation of the Constitution? If it's the latter, then I would say the Constitution died the day the Supreme Court was created. Regardless of whether there is a Supreme Court or not, it is still up to each individual to decide where their to draw the line on moral, legal and ethical issues. When BATFE comes knocking on your door, no piece of paper, no far-off dictator and no sheriff will be able to come to your aid. It's going to be up to you as an individual what to do.

The Battle for Athens was citizens (young returning WWII vets) AGAINST a corrupt sheriff and political machine.

This IMO is a whole different kind of fight at a WAY different time in history.

The one similarity is that you have the people fighting to regain control of a corrupt, out of control govt.

In Athens, as far as I can tell - there were no deaths and it was all confined to a small county.

This time, if this gets out of hand - there are going to be a lot of deaths and when it happens it will spread like wildfire.

And the sooner and the faster this all goes down, the worse it is all going to be.

Agreed Koch, Athens is nothing like this. I also agree that if the feds overstep their bounds and forcefully demand that local police comply with any unconstitutional mandates then it will spread nationwide like wildfire overnight. It may even come down to locals vs state and fed as many state governments are fed lackeys, Texas comes to mind. Rick Perry is an NWO stooge and tows the fed line 100%. No way he will ever side with his locals against the feds.

During the siege of the Branch Davidians at Waco, the Feds required all kinds support from the State of Texas to maintain their effort. And that was just one small cult. If a half a dozen sheriff departments took a stand like the sheriff in the letter is threatening to do, the Feds would have a real problem on their hands. And the states in which those sheriffs are located would have some hard decisions to make.

The fact is, any kind of nation-wide gun confiscation directed from Babylon on the Potomac is going to require the cooperation of local law enforcement. And even with it, they'll be lucky to bag 10% of the rifles that they are after.

My back-of-the-envelope calculations, if events were to degenerate from there to the point of an armed insurrection backed by state authorities, in Texas alone, the Feds would require an army of between a million and two million men to have any hope of defeating it.

I wonder how many NY state sheriffs and chiefs of police will make the same pledge?

[crickets]

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I wonder how many NY state sheriffs and chiefs of police will make the same pledge?

I wouldn't doubt that there are a couple. I lived in Western NY for a couple years and for the most part, people in the rural parts of the state aren't a big fan of their state government. They rightly believe that they have a NY level of taxation, while getting next to nothing in return. NY state largely spends its tax money in the cities while the rural areas are left with the bill and roads full of potholes.

Jonx - and that's exactly why this whole thing spirals out of control. The TRUE colors of every single elected politician, every govt stooge and most citizens are going to be put on display - and you will be FORCED to choose a side.

I think there are going to be quite a few surprises (on all sides).

Perry, as an example, will be removed if he stands against Texas in a fight with the Feds.

Here's the most ironic thing about all this for me - the people on the anti-gun side .... have no guns. All they have is the power of the FLEA's and the military - and I would bet 50 percent of both of those are on the side of the people who value freedom and want to keep their guns.

So the first signs this all goes truly pear shaped is when it goes cop on cop (or far worse - soldier on soldier). And don't think that last cannot happen - McChrystal has already outed himself as a traitor and the military at the officer level is infested with corp psychopath types, or they would have made a moral stand a long long time ago.

You are going to have to pick a side or one will be chosen for you.

Obama is Hoover - he is desperate at all costs to hang on to the status quo at a time in American history that demands a leader being willing to make major changes to at least attempt to clean things up. We should have had an FDR right now - right or wrong, at least some changes would have been made - instead we get a Prez who thinks that the only and best thing he can do is keep things moving in the same direction they ALWAYS have been moving.

Obama is going to make a terrible mistake this morning. He is going to assume that the America he has watched on TV all his life still exists. It does not. And he is going to push this country another step closer to Civ/Rev War II. And the earlier this all comes, the worse it will get.

Good movie based on Battle of Athens. h/t Pikasteph from a while back...

I defer to the constitutional scholars that have spoken hereinabove, although I'd bet a year's pay that I'm the only one on this entire board that is admitted to the Supreme Court bar (since 1976).

Ban me, please. You people are ****ing crazy. I'll take my chances in Philly, "among my own." And I think I hear your dog whistle ....

Ok. You asked....

I don't know if Tim Muller has figured this out yet but he wrote a letter to criminals. The criminals do not want him to have a gun.