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12bolt
Posts: 159
Incept: 2009-08-24
Blueridge
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Great Ticker. I'm glad you hit on this.
I've been thinking since the Alex Jones/CNN fiasco that it's the gun banners who seek to initiate force against law abiding gun owners.
I find it very ironic that these 'peace loving liberal tolerant' individuals are so ready to use force to steal our rights and our property.
I had a discussion/argument with some friends on New Years day on this very subject and I was amazed at the ease with which they said they wouldn't mind if SWAT teams were used to confiscate weapons.
The cognitive dissonance I witnessed was epic. Their reason for approving of forced confiscation: so they can feel safer.
I don't know if I want to be around them anymore despite years of friendship.
Their statements*****ed me off THAT much. I suspect my defense of liberty and the Constitution didn't resonate so well with them either.
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Fraudster
Posts: 4173
Incept: 2011-05-10
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Quote:These people are not anti-gun. They are only against you being able to defend yourself against them, and they intend to kill you if you first disarm and thus make it possible for them to do so.
That's the history of the "anti-gun" people worldwide over the last 100 years and it is happening again right here, right now, today, in America. Serious stuff. People better wake TFU before they all get butchered.
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"Let China sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"Circulation ceases first at the outer edges [Europe and Japan]. It will take a while yet for the decay to reach the heart [America]." - Foundation & Empire by Isaac Asimov
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Duc888
Posts: 7368
Incept: 2008-11-06
CT, the UNconstitution State
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...it's about power and control. The sooner law abiding citizens realize this, the better.
Notice I did not say gun owners. The (currently) "law abiding" citizens who do not own guns and want to disarm legal gun owners haven't the capacity to even see their psychopathic behavior.
Call it what it is. The gun is just the tool. The behavior is what needs to be brought out into the light. They are anti-freedom.
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Jackl
Posts: 2234
Incept: 2008-01-17
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I've constantly told people we have empowered the most powerful policing entity in the world, yet remove every constraint and deterrent it could ever face.
How well do you think that is going to turn out?
These people have so much trust in those who have almost no accountability. Look at the Seattle police departments. Multiple times they have been caught covering for homicidal officers.
How far away are we really?
Banking, medical, education, government, every facet of society has been infected with individuals who feel they're above the law. Infact, they feel protected by it.
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Poodlelover
Posts: 147
Incept: 2012-02-02
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The problem 12bolt I honestly believe is that people simply don't know any better.
It's only very recently I actually looked into gun crime stats and found that there is no clear relationship between gun control and reduced gun violence. This is something most people who are "anti-gun" just take for granted. I assumed arguments to the contrary were gun-nut fueled nonsense. There is a meta study on the CDC site saying precisely this, though.
This lack of data has been stated today by some republicans in the NY assembly, but apparently those in support of a bill being voted on this minute, if not already passed, don't care. They just want to look like they are "doing something", despite this affecting literally hundreds of thousands if not a couple million people in NY state.
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Quietrally
Posts: 40
Incept: 2009-06-10
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Karl, The username of the game coder contains a number that's an area code in the U.K. There are a number of like-minded people from the U.K., Europe and Australia posting pro gun-control comments to U.S. news articles. Many times, you have no idea they're from another country because all you get is a username. Last night, I spoke with a former police officer who's spouse still works on the force. The topic of gun registration came up. I was told if that happened, all of their guns will have been sold to a second cousin in Texas. If you'd like to feel better about the predicament we find ourselves in, maybe you'll find solice in the story of Samuel Whittemore: "Whittemore was in his fields when he spotted an approaching British relief brigade under Earl Percy, sent to assist the retreat. Whittemore loaded his musket and ambushed the British from behind a nearby stone wall, killing one soldier. He then drew his dueling pistols and killed a grenadier and mortally wounded a second. By the time Whittemore had fired his third shot, a British detachment reached his position; Whittemore drew his sword and attacked. He was shot in the face, bayoneted thirteen times, and left for dead in a pool of blood. He was found alive, trying to load his musket to fight again. He was taken to Dr. Cotton Tufts of Medford, who perceived no hope for his survival. However, Whittemore lived another 18 years until dying of natural causes at the age of 98."( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Whit....
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D+(R/Tea Party ) = Same Outcome
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Lowbeyond
Posts: 16885
Incept: 2008-02-11
CO aka West NJ/East CA
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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/0....Quote:One Month After Newtown Shooting, NRA Releases Shooting Game App With Coffin-Shaped Targets
By Annie-Rose Strasser on Jan 14, 2013 at 9:04 am
When 20 children and 6 adults were gunned down in Sandy Hook Elementary School exactly one month ago today, the National Rifle Association rushed to blame video games, not guns, for inspiring such mass murders. But the gun lobby seemingly lost sight of its target in the past weeks, and over the weekend released a shooting app, called “NRA: Practice Range.”
The app bills itself as a “network of news, laws, facts, knowledge, safety tips, educational materials and online resource.” The NRA reports that it “nstills safe and responsible ownership through fun challenges and realistic simulations.”
But it isn’t all about hunting. It allows players practice shooting at targets — coffin-shaped targets, with red bullseyes at head- and heart-level:
A screen shot of the game
For 99 cents more, users can upgrade to a MK11 sniper rifle.
This is not the first hypocritical move by the NRA. In addition to video games, the organization also blamed violence in movies for a rise in gun violence and mass murders, while simultaneously running an exhibit in honor of such violence.
The gun industry itself has ties to video game producers: Gun manufacturers sign contracts allowing gaming companies to use firearm brand names in video games as a method of product promotion.
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Maybe it was a birdy bread-bomber from the future?!
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Raxon
Posts: 69
Incept: 2011-08-23
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I think the best defense for the liberals believing in SWAT teams coming in and taking guns from legal gun owners is to explain that more than likely it won't go as planned.
And I don't mean that the citizens will fight back, but what if all the police and "confiscators" say "no" and turn on the liberals? What then? What if instead of the gun owners being rounded up and slaughtered, the gun banners are?
I would not advocate that but that's the thing about revolution and war: once things get going you can't really control where it goes. But it could definitely backfire in a really, really bad way for the liberals and FSA.
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Fraudster
Posts: 4173
Incept: 2011-05-10
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Quote:The gun is just the tool. The behavior is what needs to be brought out into the light. Until we control the real root problems, drug overuse/misuse, mental illness, moral breakdown, this entire episode is an exercise in futility. However, and this is my own speculation, I think the "leaders" are just preparing for that which is mathematically certain. From that perspective, we begin to understand that there is no interest in dealing with the root problems. If anything, it aids "them" in their objectives.
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"Let China sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"Circulation ceases first at the outer edges [Europe and Japan]. It will take a while yet for the decay to reach the heart [America]." - Foundation & Empire by Isaac Asimov
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Truthseeker
Posts: 8474
Incept: 2007-10-07
NorCal
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I did not own guns for 55 years. I have, however, long been a proponent of the second amendment, and am fully aware of the feralist papers outlining the founders' position on an armed populace.
It wasn't until an avowed Marxist with gun-grabbing credentials was elected that I elected to become a proficient owner of personal weapons. Four years ago, the discussions currently being had on this board on this topic might have been dismissed as an overreaction. Given the facts on the ground now, however, this is among the most important topics possible for every rational adult in this country.
It's high time to be absolutely certain where you stand.
I know I do. And I hope you do, too.
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"...But people better realize that the worst-case scenario could actually happen.9/11 happened. This can happen. An economic 9/11, the likes of which we've never seen." Gerald Celente
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Kylafoon
Posts: 2457
Incept: 2009-02-05
Zombie Portal Lookout
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I can't help but think of the scene in Pulp Fiction
when Travolta and Samuel L. Jackson bust into that
punk/dealers apt. The kid came into the room with a
revolver screaming "die mother****ers" and was shooting
wildly - not hitting either one as they just stood there.
Then they blew him away...
Something about this BS reminds me of that scene.
Brainless, screaming liberals shooting wildly w/o
target acqusition and trigger control.
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"...But whenever we see things done wildly, but taken tamely, then the State is growing insane..." - Gilbert Keith Chesterton 1910
"I found a flaw in the model that I perceived is the critical functioning structure that defines how the world works." - Alan Greenspan, October 2008
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Nuke_engineer
Posts: 2698
Incept: 2007-08-19
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What I find very, very, interesting is that law enforcement and the press are mum, almost totally silent about the very unusually coincidental deaths of the gun manufacturer in Oregon and the You-Tube sensation in Georgia.
Are we seeing the beginning of the exploitation of even local law enforcement into a fascist tool for the new King Community Organizer?
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Trading and investing is understanding about people, emotions and corruption of government, corporations, banks and people using propaganda, lies, mathematics and bankster logic working against you.
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Duc888
Posts: 7368
Incept: 2008-11-06
CT, the UNconstitution State
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Fraudster Quote:Until we control the real root problems, drug overuse/misuse, mental illness, moral breakdown, this entire episode is an exercise in futility. However, and this is my own speculation, I think the "leaders" are just preparing for that which is mathematically certain. From that perspective, we begin to understand that there is no interest in dealing with the root problems. If anything, it aids "them" in their objectives. I probably did write my post clearly enough. We already know that Lanza and killers like him are mentally defective in some way. I was drawing attention to the psychopathic "gun grabbers" like Schumer, Feinstein, Pelosi and all the way down the **** hole. Watch their behavior. They are protected by guns now. They have an unquenchable compulsion to rule over others, to dictate WHO is the privileged class and gets firearm protection and who does not, REGARDLESS of being law abiding citizens. This is EXACTLY where their argument totally falls apart. They are all ****ing mental deviates.
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Veedubforlife
Posts: 40
Incept: 2011-08-19
United States
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While you are correct in your assessment here (as usual), it doesn't matter if word gets out.
The sheeple will think it is funny.
The gun-grabbers are trying to make their agenda hidden by putting it out in public and making it look ridiculous. It's like in Pirates of the Carribean, when Jack Sparrow telling the seamen that he plans on commandeering one of the ships:
"Guard #1: What's your purpose in Port Royal, Mr. Smith?
Guard #2: Yeah, and no lies.
Jack Sparrow: Well, then, I confess, it is my intention to commandeer one of these ships, pick up a crew in Tortuga, raid, pillage, plunder and otherwise pilfer my weasely black guts out.
Guard #2: I said no lies.
Guard #1: I think he's telling the truth.
Guard #2: If that were the truth then he wouldn't have told us!
Jack Sparrow: Unless he knew you wouldn't believe the truth even if he told you."
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Apotheoun
Posts: 1283
Incept: 2009-08-14
MN
Online
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so the question is, do we start the underground network now, or do we wait until they enact the laws? I was all for leaving the country, but it appears I am stuck, the wife just will not do it. any thoughts?
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"when despair is all you can see, the end is finally near."
"Because there is some good left in this world, AND ITS WORTH FIGHTING FOR!"
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Ls2gto
Posts: 482
Incept: 2007-08-30
East Coast
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Need to get the guns out of circulation before the music stops and everything collapses, otherwise how would Dear Leader calm the cold and starving subjects?
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Duc888
Posts: 7368
Incept: 2008-11-06
CT, the UNconstitution State
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There are networks out there. NRA, GOA and others as well as LEGAL COMMUNITY BASED (NON RACIST) Militias as well as OATHKEEPERS. However there's not a lot of overlap and that's putting it politely.
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Harrisonact
Posts: 1753
Incept: 2010-10-04
canada
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Feinstein has a concealed carry. 'nuff said. Quote:Are we seeing the beginning of the exploitation of even local law enforcement into a fascist tool for the new King Community Organizer?
Sadly, in my experience, most are too stupid to realize they're just useful idiots.
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bilge
My playbook speaks español. Deal with it. Im too lazy to fix it.
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Captbill
Posts: 842
Incept: 2008-07-22
Arizona's West Shore
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I found this analysis from Terry Coxon an interesting take: Quote:Lovers of big government hate privately owned guns with such passion and obsession because weapons dampen the economies of scale in the production of intimidation. A single armed individual may succeed in overcoming multiple armed government employees, even though he would have no chance of overcoming them if no one were armed.
And private weapons dampen the efficiencies of scale in the production of intimidation in another way. With lethal weapons as part of the mix, motivation becomes a big factor. Three armed men who are seen to be seething with anger or who show a belief that they either must prevail or die may succeed in intimidating six armed government employees who are watching for 4 o'clock so that they can start getting overtime pay. Full article http://www.thedailybell.com/28572/Anthon....
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Incredible. There's Smith and he's standing there and he's got the iceberg warning in his ****ing hand, excuse me, his hand, and he's ordering more speed. Lewis Bodine, RMS Titanic
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Djsnola
Posts: 197
Incept: 2009-03-16
New Orleans
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It amazes me how quickly seemingly intelligent people are to trust the government with so many basic rights. I cant understand it. But I suppose it pays to remember that Germany in the 1920s was probably the best educated country on Earth and the most progressive. Interesting how quickly that type of environment can turn into the Third Reich!
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Noodleman
Posts: 2389
Incept: 2008-11-01
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Yep. And I bet that they are secretly chomping at the bit for the next Sandy Hill so that they can drop the hammer on all of us once and for all.
And, personally, I don't think it's just the libs. I think some conservative republicans in Congress hope for the same so that their backs are seemingly pushed to the wall to justify their 'yea' votes for full gun control measures that will esstentially disarm all of us.
I am not choosing sides here when it comes to politics. I've seem too much. The line between friend and foe has become very, very blurred.
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"Ammunition beats persuasion when you are looking for freedom." Will Rogers, 4 Nov 1879 - 15 Aug 1935
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Jackl
Posts: 2234
Incept: 2008-01-17
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5 years ago I would have not thought it would have gone this quickly. Even this "sporting" clause for high capacity weapons charade won't last long.
Give them an inch, they'll take the whole mile.
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Themortgagedude
Posts: 8849
Incept: 2007-12-17
saint louis
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I think you're over the top on this ticker. I think you're wrong about their intentions. But if you're going to error I'd much rather error on the side of caution. I certainly don't want to be put in the box car.
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I'm already visualizing you with duct tape over your mouth.
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Djsnola
Posts: 197
Incept: 2009-03-16
New Orleans
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Noodleman I agree! At this point anyone in Washington should be considered an enemy of freedom and Liberty. If your silent then your complicit!
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