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Fraudster
Posts: 4173
Incept: 2011-05-10
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Quote:Everyone on Wall Street wants to talk about ecosystem, but what they're really talking about is a walled garden -- and the wall has razor wire and broken bottles embedded in the top. It's a prison, which appeals greatly to Wall Street types but it only works for consumers so long as the illusion of free choice and beauty persists. If and when the pretty vines and flowers covering the wall start to wilt a bit, and people realize that they're imprisoned instead of being served up utopia, you've got trouble on your hands. Well put. I had the iPhone 3g, lost some songs and video when I moved over to Android. Built up my collection on my first Android phone. Needed another one last year. The fact that I couldn't port stuff over to an iPhone was a deal breaker. I bought the Samsung SIII, and simply moved the microSD chip over to the new phone. Voila, everything, including contacts, ported over. Probably never going back to the iPhone.
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"Let China sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"Circulation ceases first at the outer edges [Europe and Japan]. It will take a while yet for the decay to reach the heart [America]." - Foundation & Empire by Isaac Asimov
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Shrek-unit
Posts: 168
Incept: 2007-09-01
Charlotte
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Linux OS phone on the way.... Firefox OS phone on the way... WP8 slowly gaining market share...
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Leicestersq
Posts: 221
Incept: 2009-10-12
UK
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If Apple were to go backwards at a rate of knots, it just highlights what an extraordinary person Steve Jobs was. Coming back to Apple when it was on it's knees, and turning it into the biggest company in the world, that is just amazing. And while there were many people involved, it looks more and more as if it really was his leadership that made it all happen.
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Genesis
Posts: 130702
Incept: 2007-06-26
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I will still **** on his gravestone.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Harrisonact
Posts: 1753
Incept: 2010-10-04
canada
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At my mall the busiest store was Crapple.
Wall to wall idiots lined up just to handle the stuff. It's going to take a generation to re-educate these people.
I don't expect Apple to lose any real ground until current 2 yr. olds start buying tech products.
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bilge My playbook speaks español. Deal with it. Im too lazy to fix it.
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Seanmiller
Posts: 80
Incept: 2009-10-29
North Denver
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I just upgraded last week. Had the option to get an iPhone, but no desire at all. Calling it a prison and not an ecosystem is spot on Karl.
Had an android for a few years now, and it was a no brainer to get another one.
(Posted from my shiny new Galaxy Note II)
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Azengrcat
Posts: 184
Incept: 2010-05-31
Online
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About the "fake likes". I started a FB account back in 2005. It was awesome for an undergrad looking to connect other undergrads. After the cesspool of games, crApps, and now fake likes. I am at the point of deleting my account. Linkedin serves a legitimate purpose even if they are shopping my data at least the deliver relevant advertising that I actually click on.
Verified Web Resume > "Social" Clusterf***
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Ckaminski
Posts: 1576
Incept: 2011-04-08
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Sadly, I agreed with a friend of mine - by buying into the iGarden you legitimized Apples behavior, and that of plenty of others. That said, I've always said that Android is the end-all-be-all in this space - the open source nature of the code just guarantees it. Open-source is eating the lunch of vendors everywhere, with due cause - it works, and oft-times better than what you previously had to pay $1000's for.
That said, the polish is starting to show through on the chrome on Android - prior to ICS/Jellybean it was a turd and iOS was truly the better choice for getting **** done, IMHO. That tide has been turning for some time. My iPhone 4S will likely be the last iPhone I have.
Christ, Safari wouldn't let me attach a non-image to a webpage so I could apply for something. The walled gardens are going to come to an end. Aside from one tiny issue with uploads, I've never had a more reliable phone than my iPhone. It's going to be hard to give that up.
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Hreardon
Posts: 151
Incept: 2008-10-05
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There's only one issue with this report of a cheaper iPhone: this rumor pops up just about every year. If you're referencing the WSJ story ( http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424.... keep in mind that they made the same argument almost exactly two years ago: ( http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424....Keep in mind that Apple already DOES sell a "less expensive" iPhone in the form of selling the previous two generations concurrently for less: The iPhone 4S for $99 or the iPhone 4 for $49. Apple has been doing this for a number of years now, it is nothing new. If we're going to talk profitability of the Android platform (or lack thereof), keep in mind that at this point in the game Samsung is the only Android maker that's really making any money. And to do that, consider the following: http://www.asymco.com/2012/11/29/the-cos....Check out the last graph for marketing expenses: Samsung spends more than Apple, HP, Dell, Microsoft and COCA-COLA...combined. This is not to say that Apple's margins aren't under pressure. I'm sure they are, but I'm not so certain that a lower cost iPhone is a harbinger of doom, especially considering as they've had $49 and $99 options for several years now and they do not break out current model vs. previous model sales.
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Poodlelover
Posts: 147
Incept: 2012-02-02
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Open-source may end up the be-all in this space, but it has major shortcomings. I first installed red hat back in 1999, tinkered for a bit, haven't touched it since. Open source doesn't seem to attract enough *concentrated* money to be top shelf. There are a zillion Android devices out now on five zillion versions of the operating system.
I have several iDevices and I firmly believe they are the best things on the market. There is no tablet market; there is an ipad market, and everybody else fighting for sloppy seconds.
I have never known a person who hated their iphone, though I know of a couple who hate their android phones.
That said, I saw a buddy's android phone recently, a larger-screened one and its OS looked almost desktop-like. It made my 4S feel very old.
I think Apple and its fans should be very concerned about where it goes without Jobs.
What's the next novel product from Apple? A watch? Because somebody on kickstarter already has that idea. A TV? Sorry, I already have one. I do have an appleTV, but I won't be buying any pricey device to hook up to my current TV--all modern TVs should ever be are displays AFAIK.
There's a lot of hype over the next Apple product, but the fact is that they haven't had an innovative product since the iPad and their massive margins ARE going to get compressed. That was 2.5 years ago.
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Mdm
Posts: 333
Incept: 2010-10-13
South Florida
Online
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I agree about the walled garden being somewhat like a prison. I have an iPhone 4S and yesterday I updated the apps on my phone including the ESPN ScoreCenter app. Well, the new version of the app simply blows. They created a "prettier" interface, but it's just clunky to use. They also now require that you have an espn.com account in order to save your settings, which was not required before. Due to the App Store, there is no way to downgrade back to the old version. This is not the only app that something like this has happened with.
I really like Apple's hardware, but their requirement to use their ecosystem is starting to be a deal breaker. I highly doubt my next phone will be an iPhone as other manufacturers are starting to make some pretty impressive hardware as well. And as a RIMM shareholder, I will certainly give BB10 a look. Of course, I still have almost a year left on my contract so it will be a while.
EDIT: I also agree with Ckaminski, the iOS version of Safari is terrible for anything other than the simplest of web pages. The fact that Apple doesn't allow any other HTML rendering engine to be used is starting to be another deal breaker.
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Genesis
Posts: 130702
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Quote:Keep in mind that Apple already DOES sell a "less expensive" iPhone in the form of selling the previous two generations concurrently for less: The iPhone 4S for $99 or the iPhone 4 for $49. Apple has been doing this for a number of years now, it is nothing new. That's good for a strike as it is a flat lie. Apple does NOT sell the iPhone 4S for $99. One more fanboi lie and it will be a ban instead.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Digitlman
Posts: 330
Incept: 2011-03-04
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AT&T sells the 4 for $99. My fiance got one a few months ago when she renewed her contract.
I think the 4S was being offered for $150 at the time.
I think the point here is that whenever a new device appears, it pushes the price of the older generation (if it is still available) down.
This, of course, is not specific to Apple.
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Otiswild
Posts: 5617
Incept: 2009-03-09
Inside you, the force is!
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Meh, Android has yet to deliver a free phone backup and restore system that's as easy to use as iTunes', and which actually copies data from one device cleanly to another along with apps and settings rather than redownloading a ton of **** from the 'cloud' . I'm going to be migrating from one android phone to another tomorrow and I'm not looking forward to that painful experience again. I probably could spring for a for-pay package to do it, but meh. Still, there are no 5.5" iPhones, and if there were I doubt they'd cost what a Galaxy Note II from Ting costs. Quote:AT&T sells the 4 for $99. My fiance got one a few months ago when she renewed her contract. What's the unsubsidized price? Let's see an iPhone with specs comparable to, say, a Nexus 4 for the same price (8GB for $299) (though good luck actually GETTING a Nexus 4 from Google for that price)
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Genesis
Posts: 130702
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Digitl, Apple does NOT sell the 4 for $99, nor does AT&T. They embed the cost of the phone into your service contract.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Digitlman
Posts: 330
Incept: 2011-03-04
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Most of them do.
But all people are interested in is the sticker price. $99 for a phone? Awesome! $100 a month to use it? Sweet! ;-)
To be fair, I was going to get her to use Virgin with an Android device, but the offer AT&T made with the iPhone and unlimited data was good, so we took it.
In any event, Apple certainly didn't discount the phone to the provider.
Reason: clarity
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Anti
Posts: 4287
Incept: 2007-10-09
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Coincidentally, I watched "The Pirates of Silicon Valley" last night a 1999 movie. It recapped history to that date and was interesting in putting some flesh on the characters you know.
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Magus
Posts: 1966
Incept: 2008-05-04
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Digit--try to buy one of those phones without a contract. That is what they are going to have to do in China. As Gen said, the cost of the $500 phone is in your monthly charge.
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"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved."
-~~Ludwig V
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Ckaminski
Posts: 1576
Incept: 2011-04-08
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Quote: I first installed red hat back in 1999, tinkered for a bit, haven't touched it since. Seriously, go back. Time have changed immensely. I would be comfortable handing my grandmother an Ubuntu laptop for web, printing, email and basic office tasks. The woe-be-gone days of the Linux of the 90's is GONE.
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Harrisonact
Posts: 1753
Incept: 2010-10-04
canada
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Samsung Galaxy Nexus, $299 unsubsidized. It's unlocked as well. It's Pentaband. Hardware specs smoke any Apple device. Android is actually quite nice to use once you figure it out.
It should work on any network (except pure CDMA) worldwide. I pay $40/mo for unlimited voice/data/text on my home network which is large and reliable enough for 99% of my needs.
Why would anyone pay ANYTHING for a phone that also forces you into a 2-3 yr. inflated price contract? Why?
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bilge My playbook speaks español. Deal with it. Im too lazy to fix it.
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Ckaminski
Posts: 1576
Incept: 2011-04-08
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Quote:Digitl, Apple does NOT sell the 4 for $99, nor does AT&T. They embed the cost of the phone into your service contract. This is true of everyone, Karl. I got a subsidized price on my iPhone 4S, I got a subsided price on my Moto Droid (~2009), I'll probably get a subsidized price on my Samsung Galaxy IV if I upgrade when it comes out, or I don't simply switch to a MiFi and a PAYG phone. That said, I agree that you can't compare a subsidized price with an unsubsidized one.
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Aquapura
Posts: 130
Incept: 2012-04-19
Land of 10,000 taxes
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"I have never known a person who hated their iphone, though I know of a couple who hate their android phones."
Count me as one who despises the iPhone I was FORCED to use by my employer. To rub salt in the wound the IT dept won't allow iTunes on corporate computers so I was forced to install on my own personal computer just to set the damn phone up. I didn't like the BlackBerry it replaced but was highly offended that the powers that be decided everyone would want an iPhone over the other options in the marketplace.
As I've mentioned I have a WP7 which I also sync to my work. With Win7 as our corporate OS I VASTLY prefer the seamlessness of the sync with Windows Phone. Much better for dealing with any Office file and I prefer the email integration as well. I'm no technology expert but from a layman's perspective I have not been convinced of any Apple superiority aside from pretty packaging.
I also only pay $65/mo for unlimited txt/talk (believe data is limited at a gig) on an AT&T prepaid plan. God knows what my employer pays for the iPhone plan. Could save some $$ going to Virgin but don't want to give up the WP or GSM. I'm quite pleased.
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Bountyhunter
Posts: 1274
Incept: 2007-12-05
Newport Beach, Ca
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Walmart has the 4S for $47.......On a 2 year contract of course :)
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Mrbill
Posts: 7843
Incept: 2008-10-19
North Carolina
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It should say "$47 first payment"
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