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Ckaminski
Posts: 1583
Incept: 2011-04-08
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Neither Google nor Apple have been attempting to penetrate the in-car market. Only Microsoft has, and other proprietary offerings. Who cares about the in-car market? A 3G iPad or Xoom with Waze is 10x better than anything else you can put in your car today. Add a bluetooth OBD probe and it blows Sync out of the water.
In car systems are a dead-end, IMHO. iPads and Android tablets are so much more capable for 1/3rd the cost.
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Reddy
Posts: 3
Incept: 2009-09-11
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Google is definitely trying to penetrate the in car market. What do you think their plans are for the driver-less car? Do you believe Google expects those passengers to just stare out the window while the computer drives them around?
Microsoft is just doing what it thinks everyone else is doing.
Apple expects cars to include proprietary docks for their devices and that you'll upgrade your car when they introduce a new connector.
I don't think anyone will gain much ground here till better interfaces are designed. It seems with every mobile OS release my ability to interact with the device is degraded by stupid design decisions.
Reason: Had to crap on MS and Apple too.
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Aquapura
Posts: 131
Incept: 2012-04-19
Land of 10,000 taxes
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So if Delphi is going with QNX I should expect to see this in a bunch of GM vehicles in the future. Too bad I won't be buying any GM vehicles.
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Tz
Posts: 785
Incept: 2007-09-18
varies
Banned
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Ford is into Microsoft's sync (or for Nokia, sink).
There is no Win-8 capabilities in such a device so they aren't part of any ecosystem.
In-vehicle won't work except as a peripheral. Qnx isn't going to call, at best it will be a bluetooth or wifi endpoint. It might have voice recognition, but will have to pull contacts from a tablet or phone.
They may or may not be able to get live traffic. How will they update maps? A phone/tablet cradle would be more effective.
In-vehicle is a niche. The fancier, the more expensive. And the manufacturers have to disable most things while the vehicle is moving for liability reasons. And QNX is the engine. It still needs a good UI/UX, and that is easy to get obnoxiously wrong.
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"I am become debt, destroyer of worlds"
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Rvacha
Posts: 8298
Incept: 2008-10-03
Cleveland
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Is the story here QNX (really good stuff) or is it HTML5? I think HTML5. Nokia CEO Elop stirred things up yesterday (people thought he was leaving the door open to jump from Windows Phone to Android) when he said Quote:"In the current ecosystem wars we are using Windows Phone as our weapon. But we are always thinking about what's coming next, what will be the role of HTML 5, Android... HTML5 could make the platform itself—being Android, Windows Phone or any other—irrelevant in the future, but it's still too soon to tell. Today we are committed and satisfied with Microsoft, but anything is possible." http://www.wpcentral.com/stephen-elop-po....
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"I suggest you panic." - Hugh Hendry
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Otiswild
Posts: 5627
Incept: 2009-03-09
Inside you, the force is!
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Compared to mobile devices:  Quote:Apple expects cars to include proprietary docks for their devices and that you'll upgrade your car when they introduce a new connector. My car has a bog-standard USB2 port which accepts a number of different sort of things (flash sticks, Apple cables, micro-USB) and the headend somehow seems to be able to figure the connected devices out. The infotainment system also runs on linux, on PPC IIRC, and will accept flash drives formatted in ext3 along with FAT* |
Mdm
Posts: 333
Incept: 2010-10-13
South Florida
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Quote:A 3G iPad or Xoom with Waze is 10x better than anything else you can put in your car today. Add a bluetooth OBD probe and it blows Sync out of the water. Yeah, because pulling out your ipad to look up directions while traveling 80 mph on the highway is the smart thing to do. There is a lot of value in being able to access your technology from your steering wheel. While the market may not be as big as the tablet market as a whole, there is plenty of money to be made here. Reason: typo
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Ckaminski
Posts: 1583
Incept: 2011-04-08
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http://www.cellphoneshop.net/carmoforta..... If using an in-car system is doable, then so is using a tablet on a dash mount. Siri may suck, but voice call hasn't been the panacea most claim it is - and it doesn't work if the window is down or you have screaming kids in the back seat. *shrug*
Reason: voice call crap.
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Goldmanssack
Posts: 1080
Incept: 2009-07-08
There is no pain, you are receding
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BMW's iDrive system has been QNX-based since late 2008.
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"But like every one of the superstates that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace" - The Obsolete Man, Twilight Zone
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Degaston
Posts: 2264
Incept: 2007-07-27
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The real future for in-car systems will be when they start exposing the status information on its systems/components and levels via interchangeable web services which drivers can plug into using commercial user friendly user applications providing meaningful information and alerts. Imagine being able to plug-in a Windows Store Solution or iPhone app or Android app to pick up the car's local server web services with full authentication & authorization services and the apps providing useful information/smarts on how healthy your vehicle is performing, recommended fluids/services, and predictions on when various systems/components are going to need maintenance and/or replacement. Please let me know when we have a healthy Vehicle Web services (VWS) market :)
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3/17/2013: Bullish on nothing - 100 percent in cash.
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Rvacha
Posts: 8298
Incept: 2008-10-03
Cleveland
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Quote:BMW's iDrive system has been QNX-based since late 2008 And more recently they've been rolling out Google services on that platform...
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"I suggest you panic." - Hugh Hendry
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Goldmanssack
Posts: 1080
Incept: 2009-07-08
There is no pain, you are receding
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Could even use the VWS tech to have cars talk to each other and drive together in formation.
Wonder if that's what Google is doing?
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"But like every one of the superstates that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace" - The Obsolete Man, Twilight Zone
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Bagbalm
Posts: 4262
Incept: 2009-03-19
Just North of Detroit
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Something else to puff up the price of the car that has nothing to do with its function.
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Peterm99
Posts: 4993
Incept: 2009-03-21
SoCal
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Bagbalm -
Yep. Back in the "good old days", one would buy a car with the cheapest, crappiest AM-only radio, and then, after taking delivery from the dealer, select the coolest after-market stereo system, speakers, etc. one wanted for just a couple of hundred bucks or even less.
Nowadays, the radio, CD, phone, NAV, etc., etc. systems are so damn integrated into the car that it's a small fortune to modify/upgrade/repair/whatever, if it can be done at all without screwing up the computer system that actually runs most of the rest of the car.
Just another example, IMO, of when "progress" really isn't.
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". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance beyond Orwell’s imaginings falls into place." - Fred Reed
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Mdporter
Posts: 560
Incept: 2008-02-26
San Jose, CA
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Microsoft's offering for cars is only in fords, and apparently has been plagued by bugs over the years. It's also standard only in some models, not all models.
who cares if it is going in only GM cars? You can take your portable device (iPad, android whatever) into any car.
Many cars are even eliminating the old DIN and Double DIN car stereo standard. If you don't buy a good system to start out with, chances are upgrading will cost a fortune because all the work will be custom.
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Ribbit
Posts: 1781
Incept: 2007-09-10
Wales, UK
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Must admit when I'm driving/riding the bike anywhere in the UK, the radio/sound system and even the phone are turned off.
On the Continent, I don't even have the satnav in view, it's hidden away and I go by text to speech through earbuds only (and it had better not nag me, or p!$$ me off, or that goes off too).
It's not actually hard finding anywhere (got from almost in the Ukraine to home just navigating by the sun when the satnav died on me - if cloudy, a compass would do, or the stink of corruption in Brussels - it's actually more fun without maps - I am never lost, I am in search of unexpected new friends and roads with interesting bends and Tapas bars along them *grins*), and I prefer to 'get into the road' when traveling. These days traveling is expensive entertainment, so I relish every moment without distractions.
Which helps keep me alive on the bike I suppose.
Technology can be a right pita at times. I remember once in Spain, being inland somewhere south of Valencia, going round a hilltop village with 9 roads coming off it (about half were dirt tracks), and every road was the wrong one according to the satnav. So "F*** THIS!" switched the damned thing off, the Med is somewhere due east, it's still early morning, so take the metalled road heading into the sun until we hit a damned main road. Switched the satnav back on, and suitably chastened, it got its sh!t together for the rest of the day.
I don't think we are progressing, I think we are going backwards at a rate of knots.
Wake me back up when there's a V12 supercharged T Rex in the showroom, with no sounds, trim pack, or engine management options. A gun rack would be ok though.
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If the State was a Nanny, it would have been fired for incompetence, unreliability, and having its hands in the till, a very long time ago now.
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Dashingdwl
Posts: 9764
Incept: 2007-06-26
los angeles
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I'm really happy with my Microsoft Sync.
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When you are hard and disciplined, you can be principled. People fear you because they have no leverage against you. It's the truest form of Liberty.
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Ddebernardy
Posts: 81
Incept: 2009-08-13
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Quote:Technology matters more than hype in the end. If it did, we'd all be using Lisp machines, instead of being stuck in a Windows/Unixy world full of C C++, C#, Obj-C, Java and other pukes of a language. |
Schwantz
Posts: 5816
Incept: 2007-11-12
Toronto
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When the system is corrupt absolutely you must seek representation by those who are absolutely incorruptible.
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