A Look Toward Earnings
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Posted 2013-01-08 08:17
by Karl Denninger
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A Look Toward Earnings
 

So tonight the first of the earnings season reports will come with Alcoa reporting after the bell.

Alcoa, for those who haven't been paying attention, has seen its stock rise from about $8 to just over $9 in the last couple of months.  This may look pretty good, but belies the fact that the stock was $18 as recently as the early part of 2011 -- and has been cut in half since then.

So you could easily say that "expectations are low."

Are they?

Well, maybe in some cases.  But in others, not so much. 

XRT, for example, the retail ETF, is trading $63 or so, up from $34 three years ago.  That's a hell of a move northbound, and given the Spending Pulse report of a couple of weeks ago looks to be entirely unrealistic.

Spamazon has well more than doubled as has Apple.  WalMart is up from just over $50 to $68.40 as of yesterday.

I don't buy the "expectations are reasonable" nonsense.  The S&P 500 is on balance trading about 14 times earnings -- which with a P/E/G ratio of 1 would imply earnings growth should be about 14% on a five-year forward basis.  Really?

I don't think so, and incidentally that's about the one-year price return in the market too.

Unfortunately what we have going on right now is a Federal Reserve "supported" market with every wonk out there chasing people into stocks.  It's not hard to figure out why, with the 10 year Treasury yielding under 2% and bank accounts yielding basically nothing.

But when everyone gets on board and the ship sails, history says that often the ship sinks and drowns everyone instead of taking them to the promised land.

In addition all the "Obama Lovers" are about to get a nasty surprise, if they haven't already.  Most people are paid bi-weekly and have yet to discover that their taxes have gone up, despite the lie by the Democrats that "only those over $400,000 will pay more."

Now don't get me wrong -- the Payroll Tax cut a couple of years ago without immediate and permanent reductions in Social Security disbursements was an outrageous scam and fraud, and everyone involved in that scheme should be rotting in a federal prison right now.  Reversing that scam was a good thing.  But if you think this won't hit consumer spending and confidence on a forward basis you're nuts -- the average household with a $50,000 gross income is going to have about $83 less a month to spend.

In any event as I pointed out in my annual review Ticker I expect the market to be peaking in the first part of the year as fiscal drag shifts to the forefront.  Monetary policy has run its course and instead of dealing with fiscal contraction as we should have four years ago we instead rammed the accelerator pedal to the metal with the bus headed straight for the cliff.

Recognition of unsound policy can be delayed, but due to the realities of arithmetic the longer you wait to recognize the truth the worse the impact is when you finally get around to truth-telling.  And that truth-telling day always comes, as that which cannot be sustained won't be -- you're simply choosing when you wish to face it, and the longer you wait the more damage you have accumulated and must recognize.

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Thesev
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Not to mention how much some paychecks are going to go down due to having their hours cut back.

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Not hard to "beat" when you set the bar low. Then you can crow about how things are "improving".

But you cannot do that forever.

Right?

LOL.
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I wonder, why does Bernanke think that throwing perfectly good capital at under- and non-performing assets will help the economy in any way, shape, or form? It's a simple question. But whatever the answer, that is all that he has accomplished.

Check that, he has also given the drunken sailors in CONgress a no-limit Visa card to continue their debouched sprees.

Wait a minute, wrong again. My sincerest apologies to all the drunken sailors everywhere whom I have just insulted.

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I finally got around to looking at my paystub and was a little surprised to see how much 2% really was. It probably won't affect my standard of living but for the guy that lives paycheck-to-paycheck this is going to sting.
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Not hard to "beat" when you set the bar low. Then you can crow about how things are "improving".

But you cannot do that forever.

Right?


Hey, brother, did you hear that the chocolate ration will be increased to 20 grammes per week?
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Obama Lovers" are about to get a nasty surprise, if they haven't already. Most people are paid bi-weekly and have yet to discover that their taxes have gone up,


Many don't pay taxes. These people will vote for anyone that gives them the most freebies. The rest are libtards that will deem it as doing the "right thing". I keep hearing Obama's trying to correct Bush's bungling.



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belies the fact that the sock was $18 as recently

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I hope it was a typo, for $18 you should be able to buy a least a decent pair of socks.
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"Earnings?!?!?!"
"We don't need no STEENKING Earnings. . . "

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/videoga....
Jan. 8, 2013, 11:39 a.m. EST
Videogame stocks fall on GameStop report
Sony, Nintendo, Electronic Arts and Activision all take a hit

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — A disappointing holiday sales report smiley(WTF?!?!?! I heard it was a STELLAR holiday sales season!) from retailer GameStop Corp. hurt the shares of game publishers and console makers on Tuesday as investors worried about a continued sales decline in the sector.


I'm soooo confused now....smiley

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Gamestop is hurt by the death of resale - almost all PC games are on Steam now (or EA's crap competitor). Most people are hacking the Wii, except for Skylanders (neat trick they did there).

Target/Walmart is eating their lunch.

Can't wait to see all the horrible xmas reports though.
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Not a bad start today although AA didn't much love and probably didn't deserve it. Given the nice move up, the market may be anticipating better reports to follow and with the bars set so low should happen. Not hopefull we'll get a buyable dip before they're over.

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Another number-free analysis from Dbongo! Thanks!
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So far the market has liked earnings since AA kicked them off last Tuesday. The Dow is up 8 out of the last 9 days. Dow and S&P close at 52-week highs, the Rusky hit yet another ATH today (Nice headlines for a 3-day weekend). Small caps usually lead so the Dow and S&P shouldn’t be too far back. Losing all hope for a buyable pullback near-term that’s for sure. I think the best chance for nice dip may be when the sequestering comes up in March. If Congress fails at kicking that can, it could get ugly. We could see another credit downgrade but that could be an absolute great dip to buy. The first downgrade sure was. At some point we could test the year’s low put in on January 2nd. Longer term there’s nothing at this point that causes any great concerns.
Regarding any huge selloff, I just don’t see Bernanke or Obama for that matter letting the market lose much more than 10-15% without acting. It would be such a blow to the economic recovery if that were to happen and they know it. If we were to get a 10-15% correction it wouldn’t surprise me to see Obama pushing for a new Stimulus program. If he didn’t Bernanke would likely step in and take care of the problem.

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