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Posted 2013-01-06 15:38
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Submitted by a reader:

Dear Editor:

I used to work in the amputation unit at one of the LA County Hospitals.  I saw the nutritionist counsel patients on how to count carbs and calories. This just does not work.  When the blood glucose remained elevated, we’d add on a 5th, or 6th medication, or increase the insulin injections. And then we’d watch the patient come in for the 2nd bout of losing their toes, then their foot, then leg.

Diabetes management doesn’t work for the patients and doesn’t work for the rest of us that are usually paying for it.

People “want” to do the right thing and they “want” to keep their kids from getting diabetes and the resulting complications. We need to change the system drastically.

Here’s a better approach:

Get local organizations to provide more neighborhood walking groups in neighborhoods and more classes and sport clubs at local schools. At one of the El Segundo school tracks near my home there are groups of people walking nightly.  Provide information on what is available, so patients can choose to show up.

Stop subsidizing or providing carbohydrates, either through government programs, food stamps, food banks or school meals. Consuming carbs is the #1 reason that blood glucose increases. It is nearly impossible to lose weight consuming the foods that most patients with diabetes eat, whether or not they count calories or carbs. Eating carbs, especially refined carbs, makes you hungrier than eating protein and fats. If you are hungry, you will eat.

Diets must radically reduce carbs and absolutely eliminate all refined carbs, and increase the amount of protein and vegetables. It’s that simple.  No carbs, no high glucose. Provide lists of what to eat and what not to eat, with words and pictograms.

If you want to subsidize something, then subsidize fish, soy protein, meats and vegetables. Nothing else, please.  This would be much cheaper than increasing drug use—which again, does not work.

If someone shows up and they have not lost weight (because they are eating poor foods and are not active) then the blood glucose, cholesterol and blood pressure will stay high.  If there is no improvement, then there is no more treatment.  There must be consequences that are immediate.

This is fair for both the patient and for the taxpayer. I’m sure some may cringe at this suggestion. Go take a look in an amputation ward and then you’ll really cringe.  What is unfair, in every sense of the word, is keep low income people dependent on a system that does not work and which leads to amputations and other complications.  It is unfair to deny people the opportunity to take personal responsibility for their actions and the rewards that come with it.

It is also unfair to expect the rest of society to pay for ineffective treatment that is increasing at an average rate of 9.3% per year—that is, until we run out of money.  Since that day seems closer than ever, we’d better figure out a better way to manage diabetes, rather than vesting more and more dollars into a failed approach.

Note: If you present this argument to clinicians you’ll sometimes hear a story or two about a patient who did everything right and still had uncontrolled diabetes.  There are exceptions. But, you’d be hard-pressed to find anyone who would not agree that the overwhelming majority of cases are due to eating poorly and living sedentary lives. Type 2 diabetes, which afflicts most patients, is a lifestyle condition. Lifestyle involves choices.

Karen Shapiro, PharmD, BCPS Manhattan Beach, CA

 

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Anti
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One of our very own. Its seems a sensible median given the current state of society.

In the ling run, I long for the system as it was, say around 1950.

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But, then how would the drug companies continue getting rich? The system is designed to destroy people and then sell them the pharmas to fix their problem. Just another Bernanke like circle-jerk..............
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A friend of mine just lost her leg, and that's how.
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This is the problem:

When I go to the gym about 4 times a week I observe what's going on around me. Most of the people there are in decent shape. Fat people generally stay away. Are there some obese people? Sure. And I give them all a 'Standing O' for showing up. But I see these friggin' trainers working with the fat people on the leg extensions and the Nautilus machines when most of their time should be spent on the aerobic equipment. One big grossly fat woman in particular. She's been coming for well over a year. She's just as fat today as she was a year ago. And the friggin' trainer still has her on the Nautilus machines! HAH!

And then there are those who come to the fracken gym, stand around and bull**** for an hour and leave. WTF? I stopped bull******** in the gym a LONG time ago. When I go there, I go there for a purpose - to get my hour and a half workout in, shower and then leave. If I want to socialize I go elsewhere.

It's my experience that most of these people who need to workout the worst simply don't. I mean, if having a toe or two amputated is not enough ******** motivation to lose weight, what would be? IMO those people have NO self-respect and certainly don't deserve any respect from me!

You can always lead the horse to the water hole - YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM STOOP DOWN AND DRINK!

Humans are no different.

HUMANS HAVE TO BE KICKED OUT OF THEIR COMFORT ZONE TO CHANGE!!! Sometimes a traumatic experience like divorce, serious illness or a death of a loved one will do it. Sometimes not.

But I agree. All should be given ample opportunity. When it's apparent that they are not interested in change and it's costing the rest of us a bundle - remove them from the feeding trough cold turkey.

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That letter was in response to this article in today's LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/health/la-me-clin....

I think they must have an auto calendar reminder on their phone or computer set up so on a periodic basis they publish the same stupidity. Just in case you missed it!

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I highly recommend the new book "The End of Diabetes" by Joel Fuhrman, MD. My wife and I have following his advice for nearly a decade and have enjoyed excellent health and normalized weight as a result. G-BOMBS = greens, beans, onions, mushrooms, berries, seeds.

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Eat right and exercize...WHO KNEW?!

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Local councils in the UK are talking about penalizing overwieght benefit claimants with benefit cuts if they don't prove they've been to the (council owned) gym. This will mean they can afford even less healthy food and are even more likely to eat ghastly processed crap because it's cheap. There's a fundamental misunderstanding in the mainstream media about what causes obesity and metabolic syndrome in the first place, so the proposed 'remedies' are all wrong and the proposed incentives perverse.

It's time we looked at health the way Dr Shapiro's letter describes. It'll be difficult though because the paradigm is so profitable. They sell us addictive food loaded with HFCS etc and glutens that get us hooked on the very things that will make us ill. Then they can sell us expensive pharmaceuticals that do nothing more than manage symptoms badly, and expensive diet remedies that don't work. They blame people for the failure of the so called remedies and make them feel even worse about themselves, then they can market all sorts of other crap to people with chronic low self esteem.

Full disclosure: I have metabolic syndrome, which I manage myself by avoiding all sugars and processed foods and most carbs. I got my life back eating this way and doing the P90X programme.
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Perhaps it's time for a fat tax. It's time the fatties started paying their fair share.

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How are you going to stop the carb-pushers and the free-speech-rights advertisers who condition their over-sized bodies and sugar-addeled minds? I am baffled by the plethora of ads dripping with grease on oversized plates. I am confounded by the ease of obtaining these poisons. I am amazed at the denial on the basis of "everyone goes there, does that," like children.

Yet, they have made it so easy to obtain, these poisons.
These fake foods.
The mythology makes them look like The American Way.
So does that NASCAR man with the digestive medicine: Because in America we eat all that ****. And, then take pills. It is the American Way.
Freedom Fries.
How do you make the propaganda stop?

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The current generation of doctors firmly believe all calories are the same.
They will believe their training over the evidence of their own eyes. Nothing will displace this belief until they are all dead and a new generation of doctors is in place.
Plenty of doctors went to their grave cursing Pasteur as a hoax and a humbug.
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I followed Dr Karen's advice, worked for me. Lost 2 feet off the waistline and did wonderful things for the fasting insulin level. I have a little more to go but I seem to have stabilized, my weight isn't rebounding.

I have a 67 year old coworker who's 250 pounds overweight, 3 shots a day diabetic, and has no intention of changing her ways, enjoys her fast food and carbs. She not only doesn't fear amputation but is proud of the fact she has cut off two toes by herself with scissors! I'm not making this up. The doctor read her the riot act about another discolored toe and told her if she didn't change her ways she'd lose another. Her response? "Just cut the damn thing off already, that way I won't have to listen to you. If you can't do it I'll do it myself."

She has a son 450+ pounds in his late forties. A politician in Britain proposed limiting National Health Service access to those who won't follow doctors' advice.

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Good advice, Dr. Shapiro.

I would add one other weight management tip: turn off the TV and get outside.
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Not all carbs. Just sugar:

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She not only doesn't fear amputation but is proud of the fact she has cut off two toes by herself with scissors!


That's one hard core moron there....

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Here are some suggestions.

Since all fat kids will likely end up diabetic, make them attend a fat class in order to qualify for government subsidized school lunches. Or in addition give them a different school ID that puts them in the skinny lunch line.

National weigh in, your weight submitted to government and a tax applied to your weight and subtracted from your government benefits or taxed subtracted from your paycheck. Parents since they are responsible for their children will have to pay the weight tax on their kids. No improvement results in a second violation fine and increased tax.

Refrigerators fitted with locks activated by the blood meters. Blood meter will not allow the fridge to open unless it provides a reading within range, kind of like a drunk can't drive a car until the breathalyzer allows the car to start.

Newspaper makes interactive map of where the fat people live like they did with gun owners :) Color coded with household weightiness so we know who the big violators are.

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"Not all carbs. Just sugar:"

All carbs turn into sugar, some turn faster than others depending on the complexity.

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The drift of this thread makes me uncomfortable.

It has the feel, that since the State pays the State has a right to tell you what to eat. I think that is wrong but the reason is that the public is paying for anything in the first place. The public money must be removed so that everyone gets all the medical care they can pay for themselves.

Some kind of interim system might be appropriate given the population and its state of health, eating habits and pricing distortions for medical care and food and dismal public awareness of the connection between health and food.

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How do you make the propaganda stop?


Simple.

People live out the consequences of their choices without access to my money.
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Zero carb diet now for a month- miss beer the most. Shrimp scampi for dinner tonight!

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On Anti's point
I don't want to babysit adults. So what if you went to a class. It means nothing. Just more .gov jobs to check off who went and submit it to the atmosphere. Lose weight and get moving. Here's what's around; you figure it out.
In the future re-set world I hope people would take care of themselves and those they choose to help out. In the present we might need to provide a step, or a kick, to get going. But not much more. Also, agreed, include beans and nuts if you want to subsidize something.
But these subsidies are anti-libertarian. I just don't see how we'd live through lots of hungry people.
Anti, you disagree?

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Anti, understand where you are coming from, but until the government gets out of subsidizing medical care, this is what we have. As to fairness, it is not fair to take from skinny taxpayers to pay for the fat ones is it? Even if someone is on private medical insurance with diabetes, the effects of diabetes is cumulative and at some future point will drop into the lap of government paid health with all the accumulated problems of diabetes the body absorbed over the years under private insurance.

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One word, "Yep.".

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When I go to the gym about 4 times a week I observe what's going on around me. Most of the people there are in decent shape. Fat people generally stay away. Are there some obese people? Sure. And I give them all a 'Standing O' for showing up. But I see these friggin' trainers working with the fat people on the leg extensions and the Nautilus machines when most of their time should be spent on the aerobic equipment.



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When I go to the gym about 4 times a week I observe what's going on around me. Most of the people there are in decent shape. Fat people generally stay away. Are there some obese people? Sure. And I give them all a 'Standing O' for showing up. But I see these friggin' trainers working with the fat people on the leg extensions and the Nautilus machines when most of their time should be spent on getting them to not eat any carbs or sugar the aerobic equipment.


Fixed.


She should be easting paleo - with lots and lots and lots and lots of fresh dark colored veggies! 80% of your body compostion is diet!

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Stoneleigh wrote..

Full disclosure: I have metabolic syndrome, which I manage myself by avoiding all sugars and processed foods and most carbs. I got my life back eating this way and doing the P90X programme.
I hear that. I've had metabolic issues due to hormonal imbalances all my life. There is NOTHING else that has worked for me than to eliminate the carbs/sugars and processed crap. Yet, this is the complete opposite information from what is crammed down our throats in public service announcements, and worse, the complete opposite of what almost all doctors are telling us. All we hear is eat low-fat (which by default means high in carbs and sugar).

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