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Anti
Posts: 4303
Incept: 2007-10-09
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One of our very own. Its seems a sensible median given the current state of society.
In the ling run, I long for the system as it was, say around 1950.
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Aztrader
Posts: 6650
Incept: 2007-09-10
Scottsdale, AZ
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But, then how would the drug companies continue getting rich? The system is designed to destroy people and then sell them the pharmas to fix their problem. Just another Bernanke like circle-jerk..............
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Drench
Posts: 28631
Incept: 2009-11-10
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A friend of mine just lost her leg, and that's how.
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Noodleman
Posts: 2394
Incept: 2008-11-01
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This is the problem:
When I go to the gym about 4 times a week I observe what's going on around me. Most of the people there are in decent shape. Fat people generally stay away. Are there some obese people? Sure. And I give them all a 'Standing O' for showing up. But I see these friggin' trainers working with the fat people on the leg extensions and the Nautilus machines when most of their time should be spent on the aerobic equipment. One big grossly fat woman in particular. She's been coming for well over a year. She's just as fat today as she was a year ago. And the friggin' trainer still has her on the Nautilus machines! HAH!
And then there are those who come to the fracken gym, stand around and bull**** for an hour and leave. WTF? I stopped bull******** in the gym a LONG time ago. When I go there, I go there for a purpose - to get my hour and a half workout in, shower and then leave. If I want to socialize I go elsewhere.
It's my experience that most of these people who need to workout the worst simply don't. I mean, if having a toe or two amputated is not enough ******** motivation to lose weight, what would be? IMO those people have NO self-respect and certainly don't deserve any respect from me!
You can always lead the horse to the water hole - YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM STOOP DOWN AND DRINK!
Humans are no different.
HUMANS HAVE TO BE KICKED OUT OF THEIR COMFORT ZONE TO CHANGE!!! Sometimes a traumatic experience like divorce, serious illness or a death of a loved one will do it. Sometimes not.
But I agree. All should be given ample opportunity. When it's apparent that they are not interested in change and it's costing the rest of us a bundle - remove them from the feeding trough cold turkey.
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"Ammunition beats persuasion when you are looking for freedom." Will Rogers, 4 Nov 1879 - 15 Aug 1935
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Drkshapiro
Posts: 634
Incept: 2012-09-12
Southern CA
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That letter was in response to this article in today's LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/health/la-me-clin....I think they must have an auto calendar reminder on their phone or computer set up so on a periodic basis they publish the same stupidity. Just in case you missed it!
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Don't let a kid drink til they're 21, but let 'em go to other countries and kill people, that's alright. --G Celente
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Bhami
Posts: 17
Incept: 2009-03-12
Salt Lake City, UT
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I highly recommend the new book "The End of Diabetes" by Joel Fuhrman, MD. My wife and I have following his advice for nearly a decade and have enjoyed excellent health and normalized weight as a result. G-BOMBS = greens, beans, onions, mushrooms, berries, seeds.
Reason: fix typo
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Smacktle
Posts: 1362
Incept: 2009-01-20
Texas
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Eat right and exercize...WHO KNEW?!
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The faults of the burglar are the qualities of the financier. - George Bernard Shaw
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Stoneleigh
Posts: 49
Incept: 2008-04-14
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Local councils in the UK are talking about penalizing overwieght benefit claimants with benefit cuts if they don't prove they've been to the (council owned) gym. This will mean they can afford even less healthy food and are even more likely to eat ghastly processed crap because it's cheap. There's a fundamental misunderstanding in the mainstream media about what causes obesity and metabolic syndrome in the first place, so the proposed 'remedies' are all wrong and the proposed incentives perverse.
It's time we looked at health the way Dr Shapiro's letter describes. It'll be difficult though because the paradigm is so profitable. They sell us addictive food loaded with HFCS etc and glutens that get us hooked on the very things that will make us ill. Then they can sell us expensive pharmaceuticals that do nothing more than manage symptoms badly, and expensive diet remedies that don't work. They blame people for the failure of the so called remedies and make them feel even worse about themselves, then they can market all sorts of other crap to people with chronic low self esteem.
Full disclosure: I have metabolic syndrome, which I manage myself by avoiding all sugars and processed foods and most carbs. I got my life back eating this way and doing the P90X programme.
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Medicdan
Posts: 8029
Incept: 2010-02-11
Scottsdale, AZ
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Perhaps it's time for a fat tax. It's time the fatties started paying their fair share.
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Illyia
Posts: 32
Incept: 2011-08-24
Cape Cod, MA
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How are you going to stop the carb-pushers and the free-speech-rights advertisers who condition their over-sized bodies and sugar-addeled minds? I am baffled by the plethora of ads dripping with grease on oversized plates. I am confounded by the ease of obtaining these poisons. I am amazed at the denial on the basis of "everyone goes there, does that," like children.
Yet, they have made it so easy to obtain, these poisons. These fake foods. The mythology makes them look like The American Way. So does that NASCAR man with the digestive medicine: Because in America we eat all that ****. And, then take pills. It is the American Way. Freedom Fries. How do you make the propaganda stop?
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If you dance with the devil Then you haven't got a clue 'Cause you think you'll change the devil But the devil changes you
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Bagbalm
Posts: 4264
Incept: 2009-03-19
Just North of Detroit
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The current generation of doctors firmly believe all calories are the same. They will believe their training over the evidence of their own eyes. Nothing will displace this belief until they are all dead and a new generation of doctors is in place. Plenty of doctors went to their grave cursing Pasteur as a hoax and a humbug.
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Dazedncornfused
Posts: 313
Incept: 2010-10-13
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I followed Dr Karen's advice, worked for me. Lost 2 feet off the waistline and did wonderful things for the fasting insulin level. I have a little more to go but I seem to have stabilized, my weight isn't rebounding.
I have a 67 year old coworker who's 250 pounds overweight, 3 shots a day diabetic, and has no intention of changing her ways, enjoys her fast food and carbs. She not only doesn't fear amputation but is proud of the fact she has cut off two toes by herself with scissors! I'm not making this up. The doctor read her the riot act about another discolored toe and told her if she didn't change her ways she'd lose another. Her response? "Just cut the damn thing off already, that way I won't have to listen to you. If you can't do it I'll do it myself."
She has a son 450+ pounds in his late forties. A politician in Britain proposed limiting National Health Service access to those who won't follow doctors' advice.
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Stand up and be counted or line up and be numbered.
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Marvinmartian
Posts: 754
Incept: 2011-03-16
Pasadena, CA
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Good advice, Dr. Shapiro.
I would add one other weight management tip: turn off the TV and get outside.
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Ddebernardy
Posts: 81
Incept: 2009-08-13
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Reason: Embed YouTube video
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Duc888
Posts: 7368
Incept: 2008-11-06
CT, the UNconstitution State
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Quote:She not only doesn't fear amputation but is proud of the fact she has cut off two toes by herself with scissors! That's one hard core moron there....
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2666
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
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Here are some suggestions.
Since all fat kids will likely end up diabetic, make them attend a fat class in order to qualify for government subsidized school lunches. Or in addition give them a different school ID that puts them in the skinny lunch line.
National weigh in, your weight submitted to government and a tax applied to your weight and subtracted from your government benefits or taxed subtracted from your paycheck. Parents since they are responsible for their children will have to pay the weight tax on their kids. No improvement results in a second violation fine and increased tax.
Refrigerators fitted with locks activated by the blood meters. Blood meter will not allow the fridge to open unless it provides a reading within range, kind of like a drunk can't drive a car until the breathalyzer allows the car to start.
Newspaper makes interactive map of where the fat people live like they did with gun owners :) Color coded with household weightiness so we know who the big violators are.
Edit:
"Not all carbs. Just sugar:"
All carbs turn into sugar, some turn faster than others depending on the complexity.
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Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money!
Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro.
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Anti
Posts: 4303
Incept: 2007-10-09
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The drift of this thread makes me uncomfortable.
It has the feel, that since the State pays the State has a right to tell you what to eat. I think that is wrong but the reason is that the public is paying for anything in the first place. The public money must be removed so that everyone gets all the medical care they can pay for themselves.
Some kind of interim system might be appropriate given the population and its state of health, eating habits and pricing distortions for medical care and food and dismal public awareness of the connection between health and food.
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Health is better than health insurance http://gerson.org/ Over the past 60 years, thousands of people have used the Gerson Therapy to recover from so-called “incurable” diseases such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease and arthritis.
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Mrbill
Posts: 7857
Incept: 2008-10-19
North Carolina
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Quote:How do you make the propaganda stop? Simple. People live out the consequences of their choices without access to my money.
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Nomullet
Posts: 6831
Incept: 2007-11-11
SW
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Zero carb diet now for a month- miss beer the most. Shrimp scampi for dinner tonight!
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Don't confuse clear thinking with simplistic thinking. --Nomullet
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Drkshapiro
Posts: 634
Incept: 2012-09-12
Southern CA
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On Anti's point I don't want to babysit adults. So what if you went to a class. It means nothing. Just more .gov jobs to check off who went and submit it to the atmosphere. Lose weight and get moving. Here's what's around; you figure it out. In the future re-set world I hope people would take care of themselves and those they choose to help out. In the present we might need to provide a step, or a kick, to get going. But not much more. Also, agreed, include beans and nuts if you want to subsidize something. But these subsidies are anti-libertarian. I just don't see how we'd live through lots of hungry people. Anti, you disagree?
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Don't let a kid drink til they're 21, but let 'em go to other countries and kill people, that's alright. --G Celente
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2666
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
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Anti, understand where you are coming from, but until the government gets out of subsidizing medical care, this is what we have. As to fairness, it is not fair to take from skinny taxpayers to pay for the fat ones is it? Even if someone is on private medical insurance with diabetes, the effects of diabetes is cumulative and at some future point will drop into the lap of government paid health with all the accumulated problems of diabetes the body absorbed over the years under private insurance.
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Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money!
Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro.
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Sean
Posts: 1766
Incept: 2009-04-21
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One word, "Yep.".
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* I think Ann Barnhardt is more and more right. God help us! * Progressives / Marxists / Communists are many things, STUPID and IMPATIENT are not two of them. * A hot civil war is coming. * And people wonder why I prep!
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Sean
Posts: 1766
Incept: 2009-04-21
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Quote:When I go to the gym about 4 times a week I observe what's going on around me. Most of the people there are in decent shape. Fat people generally stay away. Are there some obese people? Sure. And I give them all a 'Standing O' for showing up. But I see these friggin' trainers working with the fat people on the leg extensions and the Nautilus machines when most of their time should be spent on the aerobic equipment. Quote:When I go to the gym about 4 times a week I observe what's going on around me. Most of the people there are in decent shape. Fat people generally stay away. Are there some obese people? Sure. And I give them all a 'Standing O' for showing up. But I see these friggin' trainers working with the fat people on the leg extensions and the Nautilus machines when most of their time should be spent on getting them to not eat any carbs or sugar the aerobic equipment. Fixed. She should be easting paleo - with lots and lots and lots and lots of fresh dark colored veggies! 80% of your body compostion is diet!
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* I think Ann Barnhardt is more and more right. God help us! * Progressives / Marxists / Communists are many things, STUPID and IMPATIENT are not two of them. * A hot civil war is coming. * And people wonder why I prep!
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Pika-steph
Posts: 54735
Incept: 2007-09-11
Live Free Or Die; US Army Est. 1775
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Stoneleigh wrote.. Full disclosure: I have metabolic syndrome, which I manage myself by avoiding all sugars and processed foods and most carbs. I got my life back eating this way and doing the P90X programme.
I hear that. I've had metabolic issues due to hormonal imbalances all my life. There is NOTHING else that has worked for me than to eliminate the carbs/sugars and processed crap. Yet, this is the complete opposite information from what is crammed down our throats in public service announcements, and worse, the complete opposite of what almost all doctors are telling us. All we hear is eat low-fat (which by default means high in carbs and sugar).
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