The Ugly Reality On The Budget, Deficits And Debt Ceiling
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Posted 2013-01-05 23:50
by Karl Denninger
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The Ugly Reality On The Budget, Deficits And Debt Ceiling
 

As you folks all know I've been pounding the table for years about the fact that if we're serious about addressing what's wrong with our budget we must break the medical monopolies.

Indeed, there's an entire sub-category of Tickers dedicated to Health Reform, which I started writing on when the entire Obama mess began and the discussion took off in earnest.

But lately I've been asked to look once again at exactly what sort of realistic budget cuts we could make, especially now that the "fiscal cliff" game has been "punted."

Let's remember something here folks -- last calendar year's deficit was $1,210 billion. That's from 12/30/2011 to 12/31/2012, the last "working day" of each year, measured by the outstanding debt.

So here's the problem in a nutshell.  Anyone can find $20 or $30 billion to cut in the budget.  That's so trivial that it's not funny.  $100 million here and $100 million there and you get there.  It's not hard at all. 

But it's inconsequential, because if you cut $30 billion that's only about 2.5% of the deficit.

Indeed, even $120 billion, or 10% of the deficit, is not enough to matter.  That would "count" as $1.2 trillion to the wonks in DC, but that's a lie, for two reasons -- there's a new budget each year and you cannot bind the next Congress no matter what you pass, so only that which you do right now counts.

$120 billion is not enough to matter fiscally.  But this much is assured -- if you try to cut $120 billion in real spending 5,000 lobbyists are going to descend on your office and make your life a living hell, no matter which party you are in.

And that, my friends, is for a symbolic change in spending that will do exactly nothing to solve the problem.

If we're going to make a real difference we have to get to zero.  In fact we have to further and into surplus, but let's just for a moment go with the IMF's numbers (or the ECB's and Eurozone's in general), which are that a "roughly 3%" deficit is "sustainable."  That is, let's allow the government (for right now) to steal the productivity improvements that you, I and everyone else make.

That, by the way, is why the IMF and Eurozone believe 3% is a "sustainable" deficit although they will never tell you that.

3% of $16 trillion (the size of our economy, roughly) is $480 billion.  To get there we must cut, this year, $720 billion from the budget.

You know those 5,000 angry lobbyists?  They're at your door.

So let's ignore them for a minute and ask the question -- can we get there?

The answer is "Yes."  But there is only one way to do it.

We must break the medical monopolies.

The Oklahoma Surgical Center shows us what happens when you break the cost shifting and monopoly game. 

Costs come down by 80%, roughly.

Yes, 80%.

Last year we spent about $850 billion at the federal level on medical care. 

What if we spent 80% less because we broke the monopolies?

We would spend $680 billion less.

Now can you find another $40 billion in the budget to cut between everything else

You bet you can.

So let's ask the question:

If you're going to take heat from the lobbyists and everyone else, why not actually solve the problem?

I'm not going to tell you this is some sort of panacea.  We're talking about taking an actual $700 billion, more or less, out of the economy in the first year.  Right here, right now.  And when we do that there will be real economic consequences.  A real recession.  Real, but temporary, job loss.  A real realignment in the medical industry, and there will be lots of oxen gored.

But seniors will be mostly protected.  Those who are younger will be mostly protected.  Everyone's costs will come way down, which means that (1) money will get spent elsewhere in the economy and in those other sectors jobs will be gained and (2) seniors and others will mostly be able to pay cash for their needed care

America will become much more internally and internationally competitive as well, as labor costs will dramatically decline.

There is no free lunch folks.  There is only the choice to either play "dog and pony" show once again, which will lead to downgrades and ultimately collapse of our economy, markets and possibly even our government, or we stop with the BS and do the right thing.

This is where the problem has come from.  It is irrefutable in the arithmetic -- $53 billion for all medical spending combined by the Federal Government in 1980 to $850 billion this last year. 

That's where the problem is, and unwinding this mess is the only way to fix it.

I stand ready to help with doing the right thing.  I can help take a sharp pencil to this problem, as can many others, and I stand willing and able to do so.  But you, dear Congressperson, must be willing to take the slings and arrows, and those who are serious about this need to both press for it and be willing to sell it.

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Jal
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Since I'm independent, I do my own thinking.
I agree with only some of your stand and some of your logic.

However,
Money speaks louder than words.

Therefore, money wins the debates.
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Quote:
'm not going to tell you this is some sort of panacea. We're talking about taking an actual $700 billion, more or less, out of the economy in the first year


By all means take money out of the system. Better yet, put stuff to buy with that money into the system. The important thing about a pile of money is how much stuff it can buy.
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And when we do that there will be real economic consequences. A real recession. Real, but temporary, job loss.


What's the point of having a job/welfare/social security/etc. to get money that doesn't buy anything?
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You mean a hospital bed shouldn't cost more than a luxury car? Or that cash-paying customers shouldn't pay 2x-10x what others pay? Yes, time for the Sick Care industrial complex to take it up the a$$. Or that a biomechanic shouldn't earn $500k or more per year? It wasn't that long ago that a doctor, surgeon, or banker was a middle or upper middle class profession.

There's 4 things that are bankrupting the country-sick care, banking, government, and lawyers which really boil down to one thing-CONgress.

How many people are actually in the "real" economy these days? 20-30%? 30% supporting the rest of the country and subsidizing the defense costs of Japan, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany/EU, while protecting China, Japan, and Australia's access to Middle Eastern oil????
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Yes Pay_Lay_Ale those things and the drug war.. The real cost of the drug war isn't the enforcement expense, nor is it the forgone tax revenues, it is the flow of capital out of the country into the coffers of foreign drug cartels and their multinational enablers.

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Hot lead wins debates too. Whats your point?
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I think Ron Paul may have it right--none of these arguments on deficit and spending matter as long as Central Banks are monetizing the debt:

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Without a central bank eager to monetize the debt, Congress would be unable to fund the welfare-warfare state without imposing unacceptable levels of taxation on the American people.


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Sounds nice. But the politicians and medical lobbyists feed upon one another like parasites for survival. To make it work you'd somehow have to extract the 'quid pro quo' from the system. That means taking out the dirty money. I just don't see that happening - ever. In fact, it's incomprehensible to me since it would entail a self-destructive act for those who benefit from it. And the ones who benefit from it have the power of the pen which write the laws.

Power settles everything....always.

We discussed before what the solution is. Flood the system with leeches until it collapses under it's own weight. It won't be pretty. And it certainly won't be without pain. But it will begin a new start. Now whether that new start would result in a positive outcome is a whole other discussion.

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We must break the medical monopolies.


amen.

Get the insurance industry out of it - they wormed themselves in as middlemen, established "cost plus" pricing , and man alive is it ever "PLUS".

google regulatory capture.

Carl, back about 1994 i had reason to look up some laws in my local library (Key Largo). I was startled to observe - the Florida statutes were multi-volume and occupied about three feet of bookshelf. Fully two feet of that was insurance regulations. WTF? Peruse them yourself and observe what fraction is health insurance.

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Are they worried about 5,000 lobbyist pounding on their door, or the lobby money not funding them but funding their competitor next election?

You need to cut off congresses ability to take bribes, then talk to them on an even keel. Jal and Noodleman understand the problem roadblocking reform.

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If we're going to make a real difference we have to get to zero. In fact we have to further and into surplus, but let's just for a moment go with the IMF's numbers (or the ECB's and Eurozone's in general), which are that a "roughly 3%" deficit is "sustainable." That is, let's allow the government (for right now) to steal the productivity improvements that you, I and everyone else make.

That, by the way, is why the IMF and Eurozone believe 3% is a "sustainable" deficit although they will never tell you that.


Every time I get into a discussion with my economist friends I point that out, about the theft of productivity and that things should be getting cheaper, and the argument grinds to a halt. Their continuous debt model is exposed as costing way more than they want to believe it costs.

Right on!

Flap

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Their are citizens and companies out there getting fine benefits and low costs from the current system. The lobbyists are actors for the factions, they are not the enemy, the factions are the enemy.

To change the system, you have to change the motivations.

The benefits mongers are motivated to continuously borrow more, and never stop because the wealthy owners of US debt, or foreigners - NEITHER do they care about - the wealthy debt owners are who is owed the loan payments. (They only care about themselves, as all humans do, that's obvious right?) Who cares about too much borrowing when you can't possibly be stuck with the payments? There leaders tell them they STILL don't have to worry about paying it back, it's payable, but I can assure you I've done the math, it's not payable.

They PLAN on being poor, so they will NEVER have to pay ANY of the debt.

Voters are still driving the system, not lobbyists, not industry captains. Voters. Proof? They re-elected Obama. Debt is accumulating faster. The medical laws got worse, not better. They are getting more benefits now, taxes are still way lower than benefits.

and the re-elected Obama. they don't care about regulations, lobbyists, or crime in fiscal system. history is clear how democracies regulate once benefits dominate are a role of the gov't: they go nuts.
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There really is no good way out of this mess it all stinks to high hell. Any real cuts we make to the budget, come out of GDP with their multiplier effect. Every single congress critter is aware of this fact. The Federal Reserve has cut the overnight borrowing rate to zero and is buying treasuries and mortgages on the open market. Rates are still low. The $2-3 Trillion in federal debt they bought they turn around and remit the interest back to the treasury. Essentially, the gov't is getting 0% financing to deficit spend right now. The market is still keeping rates low. The federal reserve is buying mortgages on the open market at a premium to par and holding them to maturity. They are taking a loss. Its so bad the Federal Reserve is committed to keeping rates zero through 2014. The Fed is basically telling the Congress they can spend as much money as they need to get us out of trouble. Austerity isn't helping Greece, Latvia or Iceland (as they now have to bailout the banking system), Spain, England or Ireland either. Its not going to work here. Basically the federal government has to borrow until the bond vigilantes show up or we just slog along. At the point where the bond vigilantes show up we will go through another big recession and will need another Volcker or we will become Zimbawe.

Remember to end the great depression we had WWII, the Korean conflict, the space race, the GI bill and the nuclear arms race. Huge gov't outlays. Only after the Vietnam conflict and the Great Society did the bond vigilantes show up causing interest rates to spike and drive credit creation back to the private banking sector. Bottomline is this could go on a while, maybe the debate should be how to spend the money rather then should we spend it.

I see Goldman Sachs is calling to invest in equities this year (Muppets everywhere take notice).. With about 1% GDP stripped away with the tax increases and uncertainty over the spending cuts in two months, expect some up and downs the next couple months as the Kabuki sequel runs its course. Any real spending cuts and I'm long treasuries this year.


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neither party's POLITICIANS are motivated to cut spending or raise taxes. it will get them de-elected the next cycle.
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Voters are still driving the system, not lobbyists, not industry captains. Voters. Proof? They re-elected Obama.


We have a two candidate political system. Pick one. You failed to prove any of your points in that statement and congressional approval ratings would seem to suggest that voters are not driving anything.

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Congressional approval rating have zero meaning. It's a red herring. I wish people would stop referring and repeating it. People love their congressman and women. They overwhelming get to stay in office until they become national figures in which case they get promoted or fired. The good ones bring home the bacon and stay under the radar. Job security.
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Congressional approval rating have zero meaning. It's a red herring. I wish people would stop referring and repeating it.


Congressional approval ratings is the public sense of how our leaders are performing. Your statement that it has zero meaning is false.

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Karl, can you please start a petition? That is the next small, but necessary step to get the ball rolling.
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...oops.....AZ beat me to it by a few seconds.

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I obviously disagree. The people consider Obama the leader not congress. Congress has just become a convenient nondescript entity to disparage. Take the tea party, do you think 90% of the voting population could identify one tea party candidate in congress?

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And to get into surplus, pull out of the wars and foreign occupied territory (bases) in that year, and reduce/consolidate the military down to 50% of its current size over 10 years by retiring older/more expensive-to-maintain things (bases, ships, planes, etc) and by slowing or stopping recruitment.

Then go to a fair tax on a lower spending base and become the business world's tax haven.
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The only way that reform will get any traction is if people start to get*****ed about disparate billing. When one person gets charged ten times as much because of they way their bill will be paid.
You'll never get people to start off with repealing EMTALA because that would be "mean". Disparate bill could start to be perceived as unfair.

On a related note, the way to pop the education bubble is - as Karl's demonstrated - to allow student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy. We see the benefit in that because it'll pop the bubble. The only way to get the bankruptcy law changed, though, is on fairness grounds - that allowing student loans to be discharged in Bk would help people who need help.
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The medical corporations own DC so you're basically asking them to cut their own throat. Sorry but that's not going to happen. They know the math. They just don't care or they would have never let it get to this point. They can't even make the cuts to get back to the 2008 (Bush last year) spending level. There is no political solution to this mess. Just like Europe they will do whatever is necessary to keep the ponzi going. Our Rule of Law no longer matters. The Corporatocracy will ignore the math until...
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IOU I agree, the debate should shift to how to deploy the gov't resources to something that will continue to return a ROI after the **** hits the fan (like the Hoover dam). Karl's- thorium reactor idea for instance sounds like a good one.
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