Fed Minutes: "We Lied"
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Posted 2013-01-03 14:41
by Karl Denninger
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Fed Minutes: "We Lied"
 

Oh hoh hoh, what do we have in here?

Remember this from the Statement?

To support a stronger economic recovery and to help ensure that inflation, over time, is at the rate most consistent with its dual mandate, the Committee will continue purchasing additional agency mortgage-backed securities at a pace of $40 billion per month. The Committee also will purchase longer-term Treasury securities after its program to extend the average maturity of its holdings of Treasury securities is completed at the end of the year, initially at a pace of $45 billion per month. The Committee is maintaining its existing policy of reinvesting principal payments from its holdings of agency debt and agency mortgage-backed securities in agency mortgage-backed securities and, in January, will resume rolling over maturing Treasury securities at auction. Taken together, these actions should maintain downward pressure on longer-term interest rates, support mortgage markets, and help to make broader financial conditions more accommodative.

Yeah, $1 trillion, roughly, annualized.  Except that....

While almost all members thought that the asset purchase program begun in September had been effective and supportive of growth, they also generally saw that the benefits of ongoing purchases were uncertain and that the potential costs could rise as the size of the balance sheet increased. Various members stressed the importance of a continuing assessment of labor market developments and reviews of the program's efficacy and costs at upcoming FOMC meetings. In considering the outlook for the labor market and the broader economy, a few members expressed the view that ongoing asset purchases would likely be warranted until about the end of 2013, while a few others emphasized the need for considerable policy accommodation but did not state a specific time frame or total for purchases. Several others thought that it would probably be appropriate to slow or to stop purchases well before the end of 2013, citing concerns about financial stability or the size of the balance sheet. One member viewed any additional purchases as unwarranted.

But but but..... everyone took the statement as meaning that 2015 was the minimum target before policy accomodation would end -- that is, Bernanke would monetize at least $2 trillion more, and probably more like $3 trillion.

Not so fast Kemosabe! 

It appears that The FOMC sees what I and a few others have been talking about for a couple of years now -- that these "asset purchases" are not particularly effective (other than in boosting stock prices) and the larger the imbalance that The Fed builds into the economy and the markets the more difficult it will be to withdraw that policy, because exponents are a bitch.

By the way, these aren't actually "minutes."  We don't know who said what, precisely.  Indeed, we don't even know if the alleged "minutes" reflect what was really said at all, and we have seen when the actual minutes are released (many years later) that in point of fact some members of the FOMC have said things that aren't exactly coherent with the so-called "minutes" released a month after the meeting.

But in this case memory lane is short enough for people to pay attention, since the FOMC decision came just a few weeks ago, as did the presser, and both the statement and Bernanke led the market to believe that they would simply stand on the gas -- and the FOMC was not only behind him on this with the exception of his one dissenter, they saw this as appropriate through 2015 or maybe even later.

Nope.

Now add to this the debt ceiling and suddenly things get very interesting, and the bond market appears to have figured that out rather..... "rapidly."

This could, in turn, make the interest expense for the Federal Government rather..... "interesting" if they don't cut the crap.

Heh Boehner, Pelosi, Reid, McConnell and Obama:

That's the Chrysler Building you feel up your butt.  I hope you enjoy it.

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Bondzilla!

He's ALIVE!

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Go Go Bondzilla


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Whoops, Bernanke just lopped two years of protection from bond holders.

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I don't trust the public statements made by our "central planners". I only trust verifiable facts.

Fact 1: Their QE-finity announcements coincided with the election season.

Fact 2: Stocks have been staying up while oil has been going down.


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I will not believe them ending anything until I see it. They said all the QE games were just a one time deal and every time they say "just a little bit longer" and keep kicking the can.

I think the accelerator is stuck to the floor and the brakes have already given out. its just the parents in the front seat telling the kids everything is going to be ok and not to worry about the brick wall they are rapidly approaching.

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YAY BONDZILLA IS HERE!!

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They Lied ? We are NOT shocked.

I would be shocked if they did not "LIE"

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I find it funny that people are cheering this incremental movement in bonds. When I see the 10 year trading at 3.5-4% I will start to pay attention. Too early to tell how these clowns are going to play this out.

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Manipulation again. Perhaps to calm the buying by the fed.

A game of perception. Bernanke says he won't monetize but then he does.

He knows the politicians have no stomach for doing real spending cuts.

You'll have about 50 million people on food stamps and other government subsistence soon.

Look at their doing, not what they say.

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Fed poked Bondzilla with a stick to see if he was still alive. Yep. Guess they won't go there. Nothing to see. Move along.

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Manipulation again. Perhaps to calm the buying by the fed.

A game of perception. Bernanke says he won't monetize but then he does.

He knows the politicians have no stomach for doing real spending cuts.

You'll have about 50 million people on food stamps and other government subsistence soon.

Look at their doing, not what they say.


Well said Trades. Anyone who thinks that the Fed is "independent" and not beholden to the politicians has not been paying attention. The monetization won't stop until the deficit is brought in order. Not the other way around.

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I agree with Fraudster.
Wake me when the 10 year is over 3% and the 30 year is over 4.5%.
Up to that low-end of the normal range would mean it's starting to get away from them.
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Rates can't go higher. There's no room up that hole for the Chrysler Building. When Bondzilla shows up we're doomed. Our only hope now as a country is for the debt ceiling to be enforced here and now. They can allow $200 billion or so, but we can't monetize another trillion at the Fed. They now need to accept the depression that is already here.

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Rates can go higher - but not much and not for long.

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I like the price action in that it is a message that cuts must happen for real this time. It is a shot across the bow of Congress and much like their responses to equities - they WILL respond and that is NOT bullish for grandma.

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Sshh! You guys! Don't spook Bondzilla. Move along. Nothing to see here.

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Right Mayor. As time passes and the debt grows the interest rate threshold lowers. We'll find out where that is sooner or later - just not now. The Fed is flapping its jaws to see what happens or to spook the pols into some sort of action.

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MQ - I too think that is a warning shot fired at Congress. I think that if they pulled the deficit back to $400 billion that the bond market would react favorably to it. Of course we'd be back in a recession or worse. But what was it Santelli said about a financial enema? My vote would be to use the Connie Mack Penny Plan - but I'd go with nickels.

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The (impossible) trick is to cut spending without harming employment levels. From the bullish perspective, this move upwards is scary.

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The Banksters including the Europeans and Chinese are running this show. The FRB can only buy Treasuries with assets, dollars, that the FRB somehow acquires. The interest the FRB gets is no where near 40 billion a month, and all the FRB trreasuries have maturities longer than a year.

So where was the FRB going to get 40 billion or 80 billion a month to buy treasuries? Only if one the banksters printed more money out of thin air and deposited at the FRB or two the treasury minted magic coins and deposited at the FRB to back FRB notes to buy said treasuries..

When the banksters have cleared their books of all long term treasuries, borrowed long at low rates, not lent long, and have bought derivatives up the whazooo, then interest rates will rise.,

Bernanke may be appointed by the president, but the banks literally OWN the FRB.
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TMD, WWJDD?
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IF this was a warning shot, Congress won't listen. It looks to me like the budget has only gone down from the prior year 3 times since 1948. The odd of them cutting spending are basically zero. The Sequestration is never going to happen either. Repubs won't cut defense and Dems won't cut entitlements.
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