Hmm, I don't see this on yahoo or cnn's website. Must just be a slight delay. I am sure that it will be the main story of the day and also an interview with Feinstank admitting that she is wrong.

It's easy to know how many unarmed cops would have died: Fort Hood was a gun-free zone where Hasan had his rampage...

"How many cops would have died?"

"All of them."

And the bad man took the gun from the good guy with a gun and started shooting the other good guys with guns. So if we had guns in schools, then a bad guy could take the gun from the good guy and start shooting the other people but unlike the cop station, the other people won't have guns. This was probably not the story to choose to make your point...

you are tempting fate there Bert.. best not to pee in the same kitchen where the chef serves well-seasoned vittles.

Ah, but the bad guy can always get a gun -- that's the point. He usually gets it from a good guy, and the good guy usually doesn't give it up willingly -- it is either obtained through force or fraud.

So yes, it is a good example; gee, how did Adam get his guns?

We already have examples of what occurs when you take guns away.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/....

Gun crimes doubles.

WSJ Op-Ed: Gun-Banning Efforts in the UK, Australia Haven't Made People Safer

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The results have not been what proponents of the act wanted. Within a decade of the handgun ban and the confiscation of handguns from registered owners, crime with handguns had doubled according to British government crime reports. Gun crime, not a serious problem in the past, now is. Armed street gangs have some British police carrying guns for the first time. Moreover, another massacre occurred in June 2010. Derrick Bird, a taxi driver in Cumbria, shot his brother and a colleague then drove off through rural villages killing 12 people and injuring 11 more before killing himself.

I live in the most liberal state in America (Obama got 70% of the vote).. Every Middle and High School have armed police watching guard during the school day. Somehow the NRA's solution is radical.... Go figure. Goes to show what a bunch of phonies thrive in the liberal media.

The point Karl has made in the past is that shooters don't voluntarily go to the cop station and start shooting, they go to a location where they expect to be uncontested. And if someone did start shooting at the cop station they would likely wind up dead pretty quickly. Karl got the second half right, the guy ended up dead, but he was not there under voluntary circumstance. He was there under arrest, presumably in handcuffs, and apparently not too bright.

Correct.

He didn't go into the cop shop looking to shoot it up, he was under arrest for domestic violence.

Nonetheless when he decided to turn into a murderous bastard he didn't last long and the only one who DIED was him.

Crzymorse, yeah apparently the school police in LA have guns, here is a story of one who faked his own shooting for attention.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/20....

Bertdilbert,

Good point. It sounds like the criminal impulsively grabbed the cop's gun. Extending that analogy as you indicate, a child, school employee, visitor can impulsively grab a teacher's, or on site cop's gun, etc.

Aother example of a gap in reason - a spokesman for a pro-gun group was criticizng the release of that interactive map showing gun permit holders in NY. His critique - now criminals could see who did not have guns, and target their homes for break-ins. But these gunless folks have knives, gasoline, etc. Was he implying that a gun is more efficient in killing?

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Nonetheless when he decided to turn into a murderous bastard he didn't last long and the only one who DIED was him.

And THAT is the point.

(I could see how someone from kalifornia wouldn't get that though)

Heh that's ok -- see, this is turning into a great weed-out tool for people who I really don't want to associate with. And since this place is my private property, well....

Bertdilbert wrote..

This was probably not the story to choose to make your point...

I'm concurring with this. Had no officers been armed, the rampage never would have started in the first place. So people are lauding officers' gun carrying in stopping a shooting that wouldn't have started without said gun carrying. :P

It reminds me of the Simpsons' quote: "To alcohol: the cause of, and the solution to, all life's problems!"

Still, I see the point as to why police stations are rarely targeted in the first place, unless you're a cybernetic organism from the future...

I seem to recall a mass shooting at a stateside military base several years ago.

Naturally, nobody with an IQ under 70 could have seen the signs leading up to the shooter attacking, and we're also told it was emphatically not terrorism...

...yet oddly, the killer was able to kill again and again...because troops on the base were unarmed. By edict. In the middle of a hot war.

You know as an aside, it's amazing how things such like as trying to detonate an inert FBI supplied 'bomb' by an imbecile is 'terrorism' yet shooting up a military base while screaming "Aluhah Akbar!" isn't, in fact terrorism. Nope, it must be, say, performance art.

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The Fort Hood shooting was a shooting that took place on November 5, 2009 in a gun free zone at Fort Hood...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_s....

The macro point of this Ticker makes perfect sense. People who have the means to protect themselves will make short order of some loon intent upon mass murder. Gun control is analagous to declawing a house cat then throwing him out into the alleyway at night to comingle with the wild tom cats. Nothing good results.

The cops will always be able to protect themselves. Feinslime would never propose to take away their guns or the guns of those who protect her. This is another 'little person' law that Crimestein has proposed. Whatever keeps the peasants at bay. Punish the obedient and reward the criminals. Sound familiar?

And for the hand-wringers who want to preserve the sanctity of gun-free zones and forbid obedient law-abiding people from the right to defend themselves......

It is one heck of a lot easier for some madman to walk into a gun-free public zone with an illegal or stolen firearm and start unloading than it would be for the same madman to figure out which law-abiding citizens were armed and then try to strip one of them of their hardware.

This is pure common sense.

A tidbit from Utah...........

Utah Teachers are trained to use weapons in the U.S. after massacre

Gunman stormed school in Connecticut and killed 26 people - 20 children.
About 200 teachers received instruction on weapons use.


Kasey Hansen, a special education teacher from Salt Lake City in the U.S. state of Utah, said he would take a bullet for any one of his students, but he was facing an armed man threatening her class, she would prefer to be able reacting firing.

moreRead know more news about the massacre

On Thursday, she was one of 200 teachers from Utah who gathered in a sports arena to receive instruction on the handling of firearms, given by pro-guns, according to which educators armed could have a chance to prevent fatal shootings and indiscriminate in schools.

The event was organized by the Council of the Shooting Sports of Utah, in response to the shooting of a gunman in Newtown, in the State of Connecticut, this month, that killed 20 children and six school officials Sandy Hook.



Professor receives training to use weapons in Utah, USA (Photo: AFP)

The council says that usually attracts about 16 teachers each year for their training courses for weapons that you have the right to carry in public. But the event on Thursday near Salt Lake City, organized especially for educators after the massacre of Newtown, attracted the interest of hundreds of people, and the class was limited to 200 because of space limitations.

"I feel that I would take a bullet for any student in the school district," said Kasey, a special education teacher in a school in a district of Salt Lake City, who spoke to Reuters after the training session.

"If we one day we face a shooter like Connecticut, will be fully prepared to respond with my gun," she said, adding that he plans to buy a gun soon and take her to work.

The massacre of Newtown reignited a national debate about gun safety. President Barack Obama indicated that he will support the restoration of a national ban on weapons like rifles and urged Congress to act. The National Rifle Association (NRA, its acronym in English) advocated placing armed guards at schools and rejects new gun control measures.

The National Education Association and some industry officials criticized the attitude of the school NRA, but it has received a warm reception in some parts of the western U.S., where hunting and guns predominate.

Utah is one of the few states that allow people to carry firearms on school premises, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

In Arizona, Attorney General Tom Horne on Wednesday joined the debate on school safety by proposing permission to any school training and arming its director or other staff member. The plan, supported by at least three judges, would require approval by the Legislature and the Republican governor of the state, Jan Brewer.






















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Utah Teachers are trained to use weapons in the U.S. after massacre

Gunman stormed school in Connecticut and killed 26 people - 20 children.
About 200 teachers received instruction on weapons use.


Kasey Hansen, a special education teacher from Salt Lake City in the U.S. state of Utah, said he would take a bullet for any one of his students, but he was facing an armed man threatening her class, she would prefer to be able reacting firing.

moreRead know more news about the massacre

On Thursday, she was one of 200 teachers from Utah who gathered in a sports arena to receive instruction on the handling of firearms, given by pro-guns, according to which educators armed could have a chance to prevent fatal shootings and indiscriminate in schools.

The event was organized by the Council of the Shooting Sports of Utah, in response to the shooting of a gunman in Newtown, in the State of Connecticut, this month, that killed 20 children and six school officials Sandy Hook.

The council says that usually attracts about 16 teachers each year for their training courses for weapons that you have the right to carry in public. But the event on Thursday near Salt Lake City, organized especially for educators after the massacre of Newtown, attracted the interest of hundreds of people, and the class was limited to 200 because of space limitations.

"I feel that I would take a bullet for any student in the school district," said Kasey, a special education teacher in a school in a district of Salt Lake City, who spoke to Reuters after the training session.

"If we one day we face a shooter like Connecticut, will be fully prepared to respond with my gun," she said, adding that he plans to buy a gun soon and take her to work.

The massacre of Newtown reignited a national debate about gun safety. President Barack Obama indicated that he will support the restoration of a national ban on weapons like rifles and urged Congress to act. The National Rifle Association (NRA, its acronym in English) advocated placing armed guards at schools and rejects new gun control measures.

The National Education Association and some industry officials criticized the attitude of the school NRA, but it has received a warm reception in some parts of the western U.S., where hunting and guns predominate.

Utah is one of the few states that allow people to carry firearms on school premises, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

In Arizona, Attorney General Tom Horne on Wednesday joined the debate on school safety by proposing permission to any school training and arming its director or other staff member. The plan, supported by at least three judges, would require approval by the Legislature and the Republican governor of the state, Jan Brewer.

Noodle wrote..

The cops will always be able to protect themselves. Feinslime would never propose to take away their guns or the guns of those who protect her. This is another 'little person' law that Crimestein has proposed. Whatever keeps the peasants at bay. Punish the obedient and reward the criminals. Sound familiar?

I posted this anecdote yesterday. It's simply AMAZING that our "watchdog media" isn't all over stories like this:

From the replies on "Sen. Feinstein no longer has concealed weapon permit":
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r....

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Leftisa4letterword, you are so right. Went to dinner one night in MN and wondered who all of the people were throughout the entire restaurant with earphones and talking to one another. All of the sudden, when dinner was over, a bunch of black limo's pulled up and they all left. Turns out, it was a US Senators wife having dinner. Not even the Senator himself. Can you imagine their security detail? This is ridiculous. She has absolutely no use for one as a Senator. She has a dozen security guards (or possibly more) around her at all times. Another case of "Do as I say, not as I do", from the Democrats.

I mean, there's SO MANY Senators in the US House of Lords that it would be almost impossible for our "watchdog media" to shadow them and their families for a month or so and calculate the amount of taxpeasant money being spent on the dozens and dozens of armed .gov guards for their Lordships & Ladyships.

Be sure to touch your forelock in respect after you read this post, you peasant dog...

Interesting stats:

Guns used to kill police officers: Where they come from and how they get in the hands of criminals

By Cheryl W. Thompson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, November 21, 2010; 12:32 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con....

Legally obtained - 107 cases
Stolen - 77
Police gun - 51
Borrowed or taken from relatives - 46
Obtained on the street - 41
Straw purchase - 16
Illegal purchase from gun show or private seller - 3

511 police officers killed by firearms in the US from the beginning of 2000 through Sept. 30, 2010 - about 51/year - that's much lower than I expected.

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511 police officers killed by firearms in the US from the beginning of 2000 through Sept. 30, 2010 - about 51/year - that's much lower than I expected

Cops are far more likely to die directing traffic or, as the rest of us, die in an automobile accident. Based purely on statistical data (as in accurate and factual), we should really be taking about banning automobiles.

That CZ 97B is a pretty sweet 'little' heater

I'd change the wording from this:

Now think about how many cops would have been shot and killed had they not been armed.

To this:

Now think about how many cops would have been shot and killed had the other officers not been armed.

Clarifies the point and doesn't leave the question open to mockery (since the obvious answer given the original wording is actually "none" since there would be no weapon to steal).