Once Again "Outrage" Misses The Mark
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Posted 2012-12-26 10:02
by Karl Denninger
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Once Again "Outrage" Misses The Mark
 

If you're wondering why I've given up on so-called "organized" political activity, left the Libertarian Party (formally and informally) and have zero interest in either the Republican or Democrat parties as they currently exist, you need only look at the "controversy" over a local NY Newspaper that published the names and addresses of gun permit holders.

The article, in explaining the decision to publish the information, pointed to the school massacre in nearby Newtown, Conn., and the concerns of some residents about which of their neighbors might have firearms.

But readers swiftly condemned the move. They pointed out that the interactive map could make the gun owners a target, but also make clear to would-be robbers which homes do not contain a gun.

"Do you fools realize that you also made a map for criminals to use to find homes to rob that have no guns in them to protect themselves?" one reader wrote on Facebook.

"You have just destroyed the privacy of these law abiding citizens and by releasing this list, you have equated them to that of sex offenders and murders," wrote another. "These are law abiding gun owners, they are no danger to anyone except for criminals. And with this information you have made them targets for both criminals and anti gun lobbyist who i am sure are going to treat them like monsters."

Destroyed the privacy?  Made a map?

I got an email with a pithy comment this morning from a local Libertarian leader that was essentially a "coming to a newspaper box near you" comment.

As if the problem is the First Amendment!

Gee, you think so eh?  I know, I know!  The newspaper was able to do this all nice and neat because of innovation in publishing.  Interactive maps are now pretty easy; not long ago they were hard, and not long before that they didn't exist.

So I'm going to do what I usually do -- I'm going to shine the light where it belongs.

At the Second Amendment.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Yeah, that's hard to understand.

Those who believe that the bolded part of the sentence is limited by the un-bolded failed English class.  Go back to school and until you pass please surrender any and all professional "credentials", most-particularly those related to teaching or otherwise pontificating on the meaning of words.

Shall I quote what gave rise to the Constitution and Bill of Rights?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Yeah.

If you have an unalienable right to life then you have the right to defend that life against all who would take it from you, irrespective of who they are.  If you have an unalienable right to liberty, then you have a right to defend that liberty against all who would take it from you.

So what's this "permit" crap?

For a gun?

For a driver license?

Let me guess -- you needed a license to ride a horse in colonial America?  To exercise your right to liberty, that is, to change your physical location from one place to another, using the common tools and devices of the day?  What would Jefferson, Hamilton or Madison have said to such a notion?

So is the problem that some newspaper published data?  No, it is that you first demanded that your neighbor seek permission to defend his own life or exercise his liberty, and then once he did, you got*****ed that someone else used their right to liberty to publish information that you gave up due to an unlawful demand that you voluntarily complied with?

Who's the idiot here and why is your outrage directed at a newspaper?

Why aren't you surrounding the NY State House and demanding an immediate repeal of all infringement of the 2nd Amendment, and openly proclaiming (and backing up your demand, if necessary) that you will not comply with what is clearly an unlawful demand by that governmental body?

It's easier to bitch about some other party that's exercising its constitutional rights (in this case the First Amendment), yes?

Of course it's easier.  The latter course of action -- the correct one -- would involve both personal responsibility and personal risk.  You might get arrested. 

There are those who claim that "sacking the State House", which of course is the extreme outcome, would be blatantly and outrageously unlawful.

Those folks forget that such a remedy is highly unlikely to be necessary to actually impose upon the state; after all, there are about 350-400 of you (citizens) to every one of them (instruments of the government "machine".)

The real reason all this happens is because you're a toper; you are drunk on the falsehood that government can do whatever the hell it wants and worse, you're not only consenting to it you're demanding it!

There is a lawful method available to amend The Constitution.  Not all that long ago, on January 17th of 1920, to be exact, the people amended The Constitution to restrict liberty

Specifically, on that date it became illegal to exercise the right of the people to intake intoxicating liquors.  The people followed the process set forth in the Constitution to lawfully amend it to specifically bar this action -- to constrain all of the rights not explicitly delegated to government in one instance that the people felt was justified.

On December 5th 1933 the people changed their collective mind and restored the former liberty interest of consumption of intoxicating liquors.

No amendment has ever been passed to constrain the right of the people to keep and bear arms; indeed, the Second Amendment explicitly says the opposite.

Nor has any amendment ever been passed to constrain the right of the people to personal Liberty, which inherently involves the right to change one's location using the common tools and items of the day, for other than commercial purpose.

Nor has any amendment ever been passed to constrain the right of the people to intake intoxicating substances other than alcohol.  Yet we have "drug laws", all of which are blatantly unconstitutional except as they apply to the movement of such substances for commercial purpose across state boundaries.

The problem is not that some newspaper published a list.

It's that the people permitted such a list to exist in the first place, that they refused to demand their God-given right to life and liberty be respected and that they be left alone in the exercise of both in the first instance.

And finally, there are no political parties, not even so-called "third parties", that are worthy of your support in this regard today, as exactly none of them stand on and will defend your unalienable rights.

Until you, your neighbor, and the rest of your town changes its mind in this regard, and actually pays attention to what Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison and others believed and were willing to pledge their lives, wealth and sacred honor to defend and protect, there is no resolution to these problems -- nor any political body that gives a damn about any of it.

And that, my friends, is a fact.

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Ckaminski
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Thankfully, we folks in the highly liberal state of Massachusetts, appear to have actual lawful protection from this sort of act (though the blatantly unConstitutional act of licensure still exists). So no roadmaps to guns in Taxachusetts!
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The FOI request must have been fulfilled in record time. Requested, fulfilled and published in a week and half and around the holidays. Politically expedient would be an understatement.

I might send a FOI request to Westchester county asking for their future pension liabilities and see what happens.
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This country took a major plunge when that arch-criminal, Lyndon Baines Johnson, sat down in the chair behind the desk in the oval office. His Great Society became the great socialism that took charity away from the churches and benevolent organizations and made social spending a burden of the taxpayers. Now we have a populace made up of government worshippers. The government is omniscient and omnipresent. They look to the government for sustenance, and wisdom, and protection. Many think they are Christians, or Jews, or agnostics, or atheists, but they are statists. Watch what they do, not what they say. God asks for a tithe. The statists insist on a greater and growing "fair share" be paid. Statism is becoming the dominant belief system.

These are merely people being caught up in a cult.
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Well said. It's the old "nose under the tent" trick. Or "incrementalism," if you prefer. The slippery slope has been increasing in slope for well over one hundred fifty years now. So, it doesn't look like most have any real interest in taking back "their country," now, does it? What's the solution? Let it fall and rebuild? Doesn't seem to be likely either, short of some cataclysm. More likely, people and things will muddle along, until they can't. Then what? I don't know, but I doubt if it will be a happy ending for most. But it is very good that someone like Karl is around to document the process, point out how and why this is happening, and apportion blame where it belongs - on the long line of willfully ignorant, stupidly delusional, and ultimately fleeced sheep going back generations.

Freedom is not free; free people are not equal, and equal people are not free.

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crzymorse...coincident? I think not...which leads me to the Sandy Hook "event" itself
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I don't know why but the first thing that came to mind for me was that - this was an excellent planning aid for those criminals who prefer not to be filled with holes.

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I had posted this in your bloomberg ticker dated I think 23rd or 24th this morning. I'm not sure if you saw it, since it was a 'dated' ticker. I thought I would share it one last time in a more current ticker.

Genesis, have you seen the campaign titled "Demand A Plan to End Gun Violence"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64G5FfG2X....

Published on Dec 21, 2012 WITH 4,626,254 VIEWS
Artists have joined the effort to Demand A Plan and recorded a powerful, personal message. Watch, share, and join them: http://www.demandaplan.org/

Uploaded by maigcoalition
MAIG coalition = Mayors against illegal guns??
http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/....

Let's have a look at those celebrities contribution to society

They seem to love guns and violence as long as they can line their pockets.


Don't the well off people, live behind gated communities along with armed security, send their kids to private schools with security, and also hire security whether it be body guards or armed security.

Demand a Plan, youtube video also has comments disabled, they can use their 1st to argue about the 2nd and not allow others to use their 1st as well.
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I do have to disagree on the license to drive part.

You didn't need a license to ride a horse back then, but you still don't need a license to ride a horse today.

You state your right to liberty, to move around, well, you can do that without a car.

Why not take it to the next stage, a "common tool for travel" today is an airplane, why should I need a license to fly an airplane?

I agree with the guns, that one is mentioned specifically and I don't see why it needs to be licensed/permitted.
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Why not take it to the next stage, a "common tool for travel" today is an airplane, why should I need a license to fly an airplane?

You shouldn't, provided you do not fly it over highly-populated areas where the odds are high that if you die in it you will kill more than yourself.

And in fact to a significant degree this is true today. An ultralight does not require a pilot license to operate.

Nor do you need a license to operate a BOAT of any size, up to and including that which is commonly known as a SHIP, provided that it is operated for private, non-commercial purposes.

I owned and operated a 25 gross ton (50,000) lb, 45' vessel recreationally and had no license of any sort, nor was one required to own and operate same.

If you wish to worship the state take it somewhere else; you're unwelcome here.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Gensis,
I think you should have just left it to private vs commercial (not size).

Ggecko,
I live in NJ. I cannot ride a horse legally (according to the govt) on any property that's not mine including local, county, state, federal roads. Next question?
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You know, it's like with the DUI checkpoints that many states have implemented. Pulling over hundreds and hundreds of innocent, law-abiding motorists for forced police interrogations and searches in hopes of catching one drunk. Go ask you average citizen for their opinion. It will go something like this: "Well, if they could only save on life.....wouldn't that make it all worth it?". Trust me. It's over, folks. J6P has taken the bait hook, line and sinker and is now repeating the mantras.

Yet if you would ask the average citizen: "How about if the cops actually target the establishments that serve alcohol, surveil their front doors and wait for a drunk to stagger out, get into his car, key the ignition and drive from the parking lot - and then pull him over for drunk driving? Wouldn't that make more sense to you than forcing 400 innocent motorists to comply with forced police actions to catch one drunk?"

You know what the answer would be??? > "Yeah, but wouldn't that be entrapment?"

Folks, it's over. They have successfully dumbed down the common man to the point that he's no smarter than your average***** ant. Government for the win. And with 1 of every 6.5 citizens on food stamps you can see why. I don't see any clear solutions here. The decline must continue until it can't anymore.

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"So is the problem that some newspaper published data? No, it is that you first demanded that your neighbor seek permission to defend his own life or exercise his liberty, and then once he did, you got*****ed that someone else used their right to liberty to publish information that you gave up due to an unlawful demand that you voluntarily complied with?"

In states that require registration to own guns, not just CCW, the choice is comply or not buy a new gun. I don't know what their requirements are on personal sales not made at a gun show or gun shop. They're working on closing that loophole, too:

http://news.yahoo.com/ambushed-ny-fireme....

"I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down and do what I like doing best, killing people," Pickering read from the gunman's statement.

Pickering said he was not sure what the victims were shot with, but said Spengler had an "arsenal of ammunition" and three weapons - a Smith & Wesson .38 caliber revolver, a pump-action Mossberg shotgun, and a .223 Bushmaster rifle with a flash suppressor.

The same model Bushmaster rifle was used in the killing of 20 students and six teachers in Newtown, Connecticut, on December 14.

Authorities with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were checking on the origin of the weapons, he said.

As a convicted felon, Spengler could not legally own guns. Pickering said authorities were examining potential links between the weapons and thefts of guns in the county.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec....

Excerpt (emphasis mine):

The note left by Spengler did not give a motive for the shootings, said Pickering, >>> who declined to divulge the note's full contents.<<< He read one line: "I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down and do what I like doing best, killing people."

Why won't he divulge the entire contents? If it names names, they could be redacted. Sounds like its time for a FOIA request.

Reason: Added second link
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In states that require registration to own guns, not just CCW, the choice is comply or not buy a new gun.

Not necessarily...you can still go to another state, and purchase a firearm from a private individual (for now) that is willing to sell it to you. Is it "legal"? Depends on your definition of "legal" and how much respect one has for the Constitution, and whether or not you're willing to die to defend your rights. If you're not, then you have no rights.

BTW...I owned several firearms that were "unregistered" (and, not allowed) in the state of CA...I knew what would happen if the state wanted to get me for something, and I was prepared to deal with that if/when the time came.

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There was a lot of talk about the legal principle of "stare decisis" (the decision stands) during the nomination hearings for Justice Roberts. The whole issue of "individual rights" vs. "collective rights" to gun ownership has been settled law and practiced for 200+ years. Needless to say, the decision stood for 200+ years in spite of numerous challenges and debate.

The *right* to bear arms is an individual right, and understood as such for 200+ years. I fear that this long standing right may be removed with the next few seat replacements on the Supremes, and reinterpreted as a collective right rather than individual right.

Our Founding Fathers were concerned about a tyrannical government in addition to concerns about "bad guys" breaking into their homes. The Second Amendment was partly put in place to ensure the other parts of the Constitution hold.

Be afraid, be very afraid... and I hate being on a CC list.
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There is no such thing as a gun show "loophole."

Private citizens trading with each other is not a "loophole."

Stop using their terminology. Every time you do so, you effectively concede their premises.

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Marbury .v. Madison was an unlawful act. The people have the right to repeal it.

One hopes they don't need to.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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"I knew what would happen if the state wanted to get me for something, and I was prepared to deal with that if/when the time came."

"Stoop and you'll be stepped on; stand tall and you'll be shot at." -- Carlos A. Urbizo

I'll take the minor "steppings on" until more people stand up.

More details on one of the recent shootings. Question is, why did he do this?:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/gunman-smash....

"POLICE have been unable to recover data from Newtown gunman Adam Lanza's computer after the 20-year-old deliberately sabotaged the machine's hard drive, investigators have said.

Forensic experts revealed the hardware had been smashed so extensively that attempts to retrieve potentially crucial evidence such as emails had failed.

A joint effort to piece together the remains of the hard drive, reported to have been damaged with a screwdriver or hammer, was undertaken by Connecticut State police and the FBI."
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Smash the disk? That's easy; he knew they'd go through it.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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I'll take the minor "steppings on" until more people stand up.

Catch 22...nobody will stand up as long as people keep waiting for somebody else to do it.

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I was wondering how long before that incident made the ticker.

By publishing the names and address of 'permit' holders, they have inadvertently put the property of the non-permit holders in jeopardy. This shows the narrow minded and selfish thinking of the liberal mind. Yet, they are too foolish to even acknowledge their stupidity.

I am totally against permitting as it infringes on the 2nd amendment but that is another issue. Here's what I do know.

Permits and concealed carry work because of the 'roulette' factor. Most criminals being innate cowards aren't going to look for a mark that may do serious harm to them. Instead they are going to look for the weakest and the defenseless.

What the liberal liars fail to mention is that the person carrying or possessing the weapon has made it safer for everyone - including the lying liberals.

A smart criminal will now take that list and use it to lower his odds of being harmed by selecting someone not on that permit list. Not only have they now outed their fellow law abiding citizens in an DIRECT attempt to cause violence against them, they have now made it possible for the criminals to attack the unarmed with little retaliation.

This breach of the public safety deserves a serious fine and imprisonment time.

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This breach of the public safety deserves a serious fine and imprisonment time.

Two wrongs to correct the problem?

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They have given criminals an easy tool to pick out unarmed homes.

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Yup...but the tools were handed over to them by the people first.

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I still don't have a gun and I grew up around them. I'm a big ugly and really have nothing at my residence that I feel I need to protect with a gun except for me personally. In that regard I have numerous 'DNA sampling devices' at my ready and I don't even have to load them.

If my County newspaper were to decide to print a list of 'gun owners' I would go out and purchase a gun just to be on that list.

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