Public Unions Are a Public Fraud
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Posted 2012-12-25 22:15
by Karl Denninger
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Public Unions Are a Public Fraud
 

Well well look the cat dragged in on Christmas evening!

The eventual result (of public employee unions), as a Bloomberg News series has detailed, was absurdly high packages for public employees. The California state trooper with the $484,000 compensation package is only an extreme example of a national trend. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which manages JFK Airport, has 13 employee unions. Some longtime officials of those unions are paid more than $200,000 a year each, as the Empire Centerfor New York State Policy has revealed. In the meantime, of course, the economy grew far more slowly than predicted, rendering such payments prohibitive.

We have to quit bull****ting people on this.

Bloomberg said:

This bargain appeared to work. The strikes abated. Yet the bargain eventually caused the very result the skeptical commentators had predicted years before. Politicians in office and public-sector union officials both had an interest in pushing compensation to the heavens.

Concerns that might have checked the city and state treasurers, such as the fiscal future of their town or state, paled in comparison with the immediate need of handing a packet across that table. Over and over again, public officers deluded themselves into believing that future economic growth and the attendant revenue would pay for dream packages.

Stop playing games with reality.

Here's the truth -- all forward compound growth expectations without a definite termination date are frauds.

Every one.

Every time.

Period.

Worse, this is trivially-easy to prove.  Take Excel and graph any positive growth rate out over, say, 20 years.  Then graph it out over 100 years.  That's 5x as long.  Is the figure 5x as large?  No, it is much bigger.

Don't have Excel?  That's ok -- have a look here; all you need is a reasonably-modern web browser.  I conveniently set a 5% growth rate.  In 20 years starting with $1,000 of obligation you have a "mere" $2,526.95 of required payment for each $1,000 you began with.  That's only 2.5 times as much, more or less.  No problem, right?

Wrong.

What is it in 100 years?

$125,239.29 for each $1,000, or more than 125 times the original amount.

How did you say you were going to pay that obligation again?

Uncomfortable yet?

You damn well should be, but that doesn't change a thing.  Arithmetic just is.  It doesn't care about politics, or feelings, or anything else.

In fact it is this very reality that makes Ponzi schemes illegal in the general sense, it is why we can prosecute them, and why when someone runs one and gets hauled into court we can prove with mathematical certainty that it will blow up and the claims that the schemer made are impossible to fulfill.

The same applies to all compound growth projections that do not have a definite end date.

Every single one.

Every single time.

Incidentally, 5% is ridiculously low.  Most of these "plan managers" assumed anywhere between 8 - 11% growth and that's what they predicated their promises on.

At 8% -- the lower end of the "projection" range -- the 100 year obligation is $2,036,815.98 for every $1,000 they started with.

Every one of those union managers, along with every one of the government employers -- city managers, county commissioners and similar -- are guilty of perpetrating frauds upon the public.

They have made promises that are mathematically impossible to keep, and a literal 5 minutes with a spreadsheet proves it.

But we, the people, refuse to hold them to account.

We refuse to bring them to justice.

We refuse to demand that they be indicted.

We refuse to vote them out of office.

And finally, we continue to listen to and accede to them being firefighters, police officers, teachers, janitors and port workers even though their compensation and especially retirement packages were "negotiated" by persons who either knew or should have known that the claimed promises and payments were impossible to fulfill on an indefinite forward basis -- as was promised -- and they all individually and collectively cooperated in the pressure applied in the form of the implied and sometimes realized threat of strikes in the perpetration of that fraud upon the public.

The column claims there was a "grand bargain." 

That's yet more mendacity.

There was in fact a grand swindle, and the persons involved in it should be in prison, just as any other Ponzi schemer who ran that crap on your grandmother would be.

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Iou
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Amen!

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The retired Illinois firefighter driving the new high end BMW and with that winter home in Arizona will be joining the thousands of other firefighters, police, teachers and other public workers storming the state capital building at the first sign of cuts. I'm constantly reminded their gravy train is protected by the state constitution.

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Getting a 8% annual return with 2% GDP growth over the long term....... The Bailout bucks will continue.

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It just kills me whenever one of these pension trough feeders tells me not to worry - that the pension unfunded liablities are just like a home mortgage - I reply by saying, sure - it's like a mortgage where the payments go up every year and where the principle never gets paid off. Sounds a lot like one of those sub-prime mortgages that blew up the entire economy when the holder couldn't make his payments and his sins got transferred to us.

Oh, many of these pension managers are lowering their anticipated return on investment from 8% or 7.75% to 7.25% or 7% (which is still unsustainable). On a big pension fund that causes the unfunded liability to fly off the charts and the taxpayers get caught by holding most of the bag on the increased infusions of cash needed to keep the funds afloat due to the reduced discount rates.

This **** is going to blow sky high. Don't know exactly how long it will take - but it's going to eventually result in a bond market crash.

I think the Federal courts understand what we're facing; hence, the recent ruling that favored the City of San Bernardino over CalTURDS (the Ca pension fund). CalTURDS wanted SB to continue making it's pension payments even though it's broke and in bankrupcy. How do you squeeze blood from a turnip?

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That which cannot be paid will not be paid.

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So if they miss by just a couple of percentile one time. The pension fund would need to start taking from current employees or raise taxes. So they are falling deeper into the hole as we speak?
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That which cannot be paid will not be paid.


Yeah but in the meantime those who are getting paid today are all thieves.

Even worse is they have recognized this so what was the solution? Keep the promises for them but reduce the benefits to new hires. New hires in my mother's school district will earn 1/8 over their lifetime in real terms compared to what my mother is earning (salary + benefits). My mother's salary in retirement is more than double what the new girl in the office gets. Then think of the freaking health benefits that won't be there in 60 years.. I don't know why the young people aren't revolting.


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In my neck of the woods a moderate sized pension fund lowered it's discount rate by .75% and it's going to cost the County taxpayers upwards of $60M annually. The public workers (term used loosely) will have to pay higher contributions but it's nothing compared the share of the extra burden hoisted down on the taxpayers.

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Grashopa,

The young people just haven't figured out they are serfs yet.
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I think its only a matter of time before the pension costs are transferred to the federal government. If we did it for General Motors to the tune of $40B we might do it for a bunch of States.
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Almost saw people leave my Christmas party tonight when THEY started going on and on as to why unions are the greatest thing to work for. When I started correcting them the **** almost hit the fan. It did hit the fan when the Obamacare thing came up.

The stupid really does hurt.

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Everyone who doesn't understand the impossibility of exponential "growth" is used in this way, the public unions are bloated and often in the wrong but they are still but a symptom.

Think of public unions as the people Madoff defaulted on last. Did they get a better deal? Maybe so but in the end we're all in this together, our very currency is a plaything of multinational planners who surely know the math as well as we do here.

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Grashopa,

The young people just haven't figured out they are serfs yet.


Pfft. What's worse, is Grashopa hasn't yet figured out the young people are actually serfs to his mother.

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And what choices do the young ones have? At this point, they probably are grateful to be employed so they can make those payments on their student loans.

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Both public pension funds and private pension funds use assumptions that are FRAUD. Politicians vote for public pension funds knowing that they will leave office before the payments are due, thus they do not care. C Level executives and boards of directors also approve plans that cannot be paid because they are also long gone when the feces hit the fan. It is simply FRAUD that no one prosecutes. And these FRAUDs will continue until someone goes to jail.
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Private companies will fight union bullying and will also declare BK very early on to protect investor interests.
Public situation is MUCH MUCH worse...taxes will be levied again and again, over and over, in an attempt to appease union demands...well before BK occurs; thus enabling generational middle-class blood-sucking by public employee unions (yes, that's EXACTLY what it is). In short, those ****heads (union bosses and elected officials and the appointees) have no motivation whatsoe****ingever to protect the taxpayers.

That is the difference...and it is a mutha****in' huge one.

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Gotta love it.

"The city of San Bernardino won an important victory in its request for bankruptcy protection Friday, Dec. 21, when a judge denied CalPERS’ attempt to force payment of unpaid pension obligations through state court.
CalPERS, the state retirement system, is the city’s largest creditor. CalPERS had filed a motion for relief from the automatic protection from creditors under bankruptcy law that came with San Bernardino’s Aug. 1 Chapter 9 petition."

http://www.pe.com/local-news/politics/im....

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I work with a bunch of kids in the 20s who either already work part-time on town fire departments or are trying to get in to a department. Their singular dream is to get a full-time fire job, and they openly admit it's because of the pay, benefits, and the fact that they can sit on their ass doing nothing for most of their time. When I try to explain things like what Karl is talking about here to them, they look at me like I'm crazy. It's useless.

Fire unions have a quite a scam going on. They generally have monopoly control over 911 for EMS calls when private EMS could do the job just as well. Worse still, most towns automatically roll an engine with a full crew on it for a simple MEDICAL call, when all that is needed is an ambulance. Why? Because it fluffs their response numbers and justifies their budget to the town they're holding hostage.

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PTTRX is once again going to log a 10% gain for the year. Just sayin....
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I am a firefighter/medic here in central Ohio. I didnt get in this job for the money or the pension. I got into it because I love what I do.

The public pensions in Ohio are, by law, required to be "solvent" for 30 years. In other words, have 30 years of payouts on hand. In "theory" if all new firefighters stopped paying in to our pension today, they would still be able to meet the financial obligations. Do I think this is true? No. But its what they sell us.
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The unions may be a fraud but they are certainly on the ascent, if only some states.

The WSJ is reporting the National Labor relations board just nullified the Beck Decision. Now the unionistas are forced to pay for the political organizing of their unions. Isn't that great, the NLRB is the supreme law of the land.

In Minny Sota, child care workers are going to vote on unionization. Only state licensed workers receiving state money will be voting. Now there's representation.

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Yes, it is true that both politicians and public unions have engaged in magical thinking. But there must be something in the water. At the same time we had amazing price growth across large asset classes with much smaller gains in total production and wages and there was a pervasive belief that this was the new normal and could continue forever. Many a financial big-wig succumbed to the belief that housing prices, in particular, never go down. I might suggest that this magical thinking came into vogue with Ronald Reagan's presidency, but I really don't wish to start a squabble over ancient history.

I believe this will end badly. Even Jerry Brown has to realize that CalPers is a liability he cannot fix through taxation. He will either negotiate reduced benefits, or preside over a massive bankruptcy. I suspect it will be the latter.

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I'm constantly reminded their gravy train is protected by the state constitution.


We have the same deal here in Alaska. I have been told by folks who probably know what they're talking about that it would be easier to amend the state constitution to get rid of our pensions than to implement the sort of broad tax on persons that would be required to fund our pensions.

I'm vested with the state retirement system, but I don't expect to see much of what they've promised me.
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The smart money ditched their cable TeeVee years ago.

The smart money is in the process of ditching their taxation by their local goverthugs.

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