Being adolescent is a mental disorder that in some people is permanent especially with the current economic depression and the emasculation of boys and men.
Karl: Do you have a link for the million violent felonies being stopped with a gun each year? I'm a big supporter of the 2A, but that seems really high. I'm looking at the FBI uniform crime statistics right now and see no data about violent crimes being stopped with a gun. In fact, the total number of violent crimes in 2011 was 1.2 million.
The fact of the matter is that most people do not carry guns. FL, for instance, has 985,000 active permits and has a population of 19 million. That's about 5% of the population, but it also issues permits to non-residents. I live in AK and have a FL permit because it's the most-widely accepted permit in the country.
If you believe MSDNC, there's only 6 million people that have carry permits. That's about 2%. A small percentage of those carries all or most of the time. Which means that maybe 99.0-99.5% of people do not have a gun at their disposal if a bad guy decides to victimize them.
Pay: There are a number of studies that have been done on this.
1 million is a LOW estimate.
There are credible estimates as high as 2.5 million.
The majority of uses take place where no carry permit is required (e.g. in one's home or business.) In Florida, for example, you need no permit on your own property (whether your home or business) nor while in your car, provided the weapon is not on your person (that is, in the glove compartment or center console, even loaded, is legal without a permit.)
Note that if the number is in fact 1 million (and not the higher estimates of 2 - 2.5 million) that means that less than 1/2% of the firearms in America are used in a defensive manner in a given year. That's entirely plausible.
Finally, note that most of the time (98% approximately) the weapon is NOT discharged. Many of these defensive uses are not reported to the police; a crime that was attempted but immediately aborted by the display of a firearm (e.g. someone tries to jimmy your door, you hear it and display a gun -- the intended thief runs) may not result in a police report, especially if no damage was done to person or property.
Do some searching around on the various studies; I've read more than a dozen and I am intentionally using the lower boundaries they tend to use in their conclusions.
Northwestern University School of Law has one of the better published papers on this topic (but hardly the only one.)
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About three-fourths of the victims who used firearms for self-defense did so during a crime of violence, 1987-92
Average annual number of victimizations in which victims used firearms to defend themselves or their property ________________________________________ Attacked Threatened Total offender offender ________________________________________ All crimes 82,500 30,600 51,900 Total violent crime 62,200 25,500 36,700
With injury 12,100 7,300 4,900 Without injury 50,000 18,200 31,800
Theft, burglary, motor vehicle theft 20,300 5,100 15,200
Note: Detail may not add to total because of rounding. Includes victimizations in which offenders were unarmed. Excludes homicides.
*In most cases victims who used firearms to defend themselves or their property were confronted by offenders who were either unarmed or armed with weapons other than firearms. On average between 1987 and 1992, about 35% (or 22,000 per year) of the violent crime victims defending themselves with a firearm faced an offender who also had a firearm. (Because the NCVS collects victimization data on police officers, its estimates of the use of firearms for self-defense are likely to include police use of firearms. Questionnaire revisions introduced in January 1993 will permit separate consideration of police and civilian firearm cases.)
I think in defending the 2A we need to use real numbers. Despite what you see on TV and in the media, crime, especially violent crime is down big time over the last 20 years. Intentional homicides are down 40%!
This is despite 156 million NICS background checks for gun purchases being performed since 1993 and the addition of 50 million to the population since then. Only about a million of those checks came back declined. A lot of those are for BS reasons, like someone smoked weed as a kid or was in a domestic dispute a long time ago (he said she said) and are now barred for life for defending themselves.
Bert Whatever the method I am four times less likely to be murdered than you( don't believe everything you read here)and if I wish to possess a gun for hunting purposes I can apply for a licence and provided I am considered a fit and proper person It would be granted. A number of my friends and family have shotguns for hunting purposes but the thought of having one to protect themselves against other armed persons would never cross their minds.
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Djm:
Accepting, for the sake of argument, your statistical premise then your argument is that you choose what you view as a form of safety over freedom. If it works for you so be it. Personally I choose freedom. I truly believe that certain rights are God given and do not flow from government, while you are an obvious statist. It seems that issue (certainly as far as being second guessed by one from the UK) was settled years ago when my founding fathers chose liberty over the crown.
Somehow the three step process that you describe reeks of seeking permission from the state to do something that I view as a right.
I do have to hand it to you though. Again you seem to claim super mental powers since you choose to tell us what would or would not cross the minds of others.
AS I'm reading this the TV is on behind me. News Person is blathering that as a solution to problems like Newtown, Oregon is re-outlawing concealed carry in schools making them truly gun free zones and Washington state should do the same.
The real criminals, thugs, and murderers are in government. Street thugs are a joke.
Yes, but what if you FEEL safer before your government decides to murder you? Doesn't that count, too?
I mean, think about how secure the pig, the beef cow and the chicken feel up until it's "time". Regular meals, regular schedule, regular telly with the Beeb telling you everything's OK in the farmyard.
Be sure to pay the licence fee, chum, mind the gap, and keep a weather eye out for the blacks in your council flats.
Perhaps we should start referring to the mindset as "John Bull veal"...
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==== If it's true that "assault weapons" are "weapons of war" and don't belong on the streets of America, why do the police need them? Who are the police at war with?
Reminds me of the times when each and every barkeep and shopowner had a weapon under the counter. And when the customers were creepy they were keeping at least one hand under the counter.
Barkeep told me the policy was to hand over the cash, but if shots were fired or perps told people to move away from the gun, then it was time to start shooting.
DJM: don't worry. you guys still have a king and queen so for you the safety and shelter of the state is what you were born with. we can't change that mentality. owning a firearm is an individual choice (at least it is here in the US).
Don't worry though. I am sure crime rates in the UK will be trending down. Especially after the US pulls out of Afghanistan and the Taliban take over and then move into Pakistan... I am sure you will have plenty of Afghanis and Pakis (mostly young males) who will decide to move to a more civilized country such as the UK and they will help to keep you safe.
DF
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Let's have a look at those celebrities contribution to society
They seem to love guns and violence as long as they can line their pockets.
Don't the well off people, live behind gated communities along with armed security, send their kids to private schools with security, and also hire security whether it be body guards or armed security.
Demand a Plan, youtube video also has comments disabled, they can use their 1st to argue about the 2nd and not allow others to use their 1st as well.
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