Let's drop the gun debate for a moment and consider how we currently train our teachers and students to react in such events. My wife (teacher) has told me that her school policy for intruders is to "shelter in place", that is, close the door, turn off the lights and gather your students in a corner and stay quiet. I consider such training to be downright suicidal. First, it may be possible to get adults to respond appropriately and remain quiet - 10 year olds, not so much. Second, anyone who has ever hunted knows that it is far easier to hit and kill a still target than a moving one. I readily admit that I don't know the best approach to minimizing losses in a Sandy Hook-like event, but cowering in a corner (or a closet) is surely not the best strategy. Yeah, I get it that many of you consider an armed teacher to be the best defense, but were I a school administrator right now, I would be seeking advice on how I might better train my personnel to avoid becoming victims, including defensive tactics (e.g. run like hell). Frankly, looking at this event only as a gun issue misses the point. What we really wish to accomplish is to not only deter crazy shooters, but minimize the potential for our children to become victims.

Wis/min, I will second your comment.

In a real world we should just assume that principals and vice-principals have access to guns. Parents could just come to assume that in short order. We should also assume that schools have defibrillators.

Teachers' desks could have one of these bolted in a desk drawer.
http://ftknoxtexas.com/pistolboxes.htm

Guns would be issued to volunteer teachers after successful completion of an initial training course. Refresher training would be conducted periodically. The students would hardly notice that all this was going on.

WARNING: Students, Teachers and Visitors to this School are Protected by Deadly Force.


Parents should be able to assume that their children are protected at school. Calling 911 for help picking up the dead bodies is not my idea of protection.

Excellent post Steph. I agree 100%

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My wife (teacher) has told me that her school policy for intruders is to "shelter in place", that is, close the door, turn off the lights and gather your students in a corner and stay quiet. I consider such training to be downright suicidal.

Agree 100%. The governments position is 100% asinine. It goes against the natural order of any ingrained instinct of the higher mammals as well as "normal" humans. It flies in the face of morals and logic.

The mass-shooting events, frequently called murder-suicides, are in fact suicide-murders. Suicide, as stated in the black-box warning of any SSRI drug out there.
Some patients, usually in late teens or early twenties, simply elect not to go down alone and commit mass murders. Those events are publicized. Those who elect to go down alone, we do not hear about them, as even when lawsuits are brought by relatives of the deceased they are immediately settled by pharmaceutical industry. To count on those who are bankrolled by the same industry (politicians, MSM through advertising dollars etc.) to do something about it is a pure fantasy.
There is no talk of mental health registry covering these people, unless they were ever in the past committed to the mental health institution. With SSRIs
dispensed by literally anyone with a MD degree, it is obvious that the mental health registry is not covering the people who are at the highest risk of committing these atrocities.
Fundamental question is do we, or do we not, place *all* SSRI patients on the mental health registry. If we do not do that the health registry is hollow.
Should we absolutely ban the use of SSRI medication, unless done on the monitored in-patient basis, for anyone under xx years old? Or how about
ban it altogether? Is the societal benefit (apparent fake perpetual happiness of the population)somehow offset by mass murders of innocents? Perhaps we need
a Newtown happening on the monthly basis to start thinking about it?

As for a protection of schools, armed quard(s) would be a solution, and they would be effective even without training, given that assailants generally
prefer zero-risk situations. Hat tip to KD for an excellent idea on the economics of the solution.
So far, the "security" procedures in schools apparently concentrate of writing-off everyone in the classroom being attacked and minimizing the damage to other classrooms, through lockdowns, hiding etc. until lunatic blows his brains out or police does it for him. It is hard to imagine more pathetic "security" plan than this.

I say restrict the SSRIs and anti-psychotics to psychiatric use with active monitoring required, and documentation of that monitoring so that if and when it doesn't happen the doctor responsible can be held liable for the outcome.

Nike:

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Dear god Piers Morgan is an *******.

Enjoy.

http://xrepublic.tv/node/1496

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Ted Nugent to Piers Morgan: 'Suck on my Machine Gun'

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

To hell with the NRA, they backed Romney and I will never forgive them for it. I WILL NEVER GIVE THEM ANY MORE MONEY EVER AGAIN!!

I want to be sure I'm completely clear on this one:

**** THE NRA!!!

The answer to STATISM is NOT more STATISM!!

Wake the **** up, people. The NRA is NOT your friend, and putting more resource officers in schools (more statism - more police state) is not going to help. Get the *******ned laws making schools free turkey shoots for psychos OFF THE ****ING BOOKS! Encourage teachers, administrators, and all adjunct faculty to train and prepare, and get their damned CCWs.

This isn't rocket science.

Mi****gan had a golden opportunity to do just that last week. I believe it will happen, at least in certain states as the push back begins to organize and the retards refocus on more pressing concerns like gay marriage and ribbons for everyone.

Our middle schools and high schools have police officers and Sheriff deputies in them. They are the D.A.R.E. officers (it's something to do with drugs.)

I was against it at first.

Then Breslyn happened. I know one deputy could not have stopped that but the rest of the dept could have been notified quickly through his radio...or not.

Then a kid attacked another kid in a stairwell with a ball ping hammer. The deputy was just outside the stairwell and was able to stop the attack. I know he could have been on the other side of the school, but he wasn't.

I have been in the lunchroom eating lunch with my daughter and her friends when a REALLY bad fight broke out and have seen the deputy stop the fight and regain control of the situation before any of the coaches or male staff could get there.

It's odd. I'm 46 years old and have gone from having guns in my car in the school parking lot to having armed deputies in my kids school...

Here's some stats for you on guns in America........

(a) Number of Privately Owned Firearms: 270,000,000

(b) Number of Military Firearms: 3,054,553

(c) Number of Law Enforcement Firearms : 897,400

Now tell me what's wrong with this picture?

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region....

Don't see anything wrong with that picture.

Why don't you tell us what you think is wrong with the picture?

Hmm. Just the opposite of what is wrong with this table! Go figure...

PDF: http://jpfo.org/pdf02/genocide-chart.pdf

I would say the private ownership of firearms totals are a little low. Every adult should own a pistol, rifle, and shotgun so that number is low.

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Now tell me what's wrong with this picture?

Not enough guns in private hands?

Every adult needs at least two.

Two is one and one is none.

I didn't realize how those numbers stacked up. Looks like a reasonable argument to the 'Well, how do you think you're going to stand up to the fed-gov'. When the start asking about reasons for the 2nd.

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Gun Death and Injury

Number of Homicides (any method)
In the United States, annual homicides by any means total

2010: 14,159
2009: 15,241
2008: 16,272
2007: 16,929
2006: 17,030
2005: 16,740
2004: 16,148
2003: 16,528
2002: 16,229
2001: 16,037
2000: 15,586
1999: 12,658
1998: 14,276
1997: 18,208
1996: 19,645
1995: 21,606

Rate of Homicide per 100,000 People (any method)
In the United States, the annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population is

2010: 4.67
2009: 4.96
2008: 5.35
2007: 5.61
2006: 5.70
2005: 5.66
2004: 5.51
2003: 5.69
2002: 5.64
2001: 5.63
2000: 5.52
1999: 4.55
1998: 5.19
1997: 6.77
1996: 7.3
1995: 8.1
1993: 9.93

Number of Gun Homicides
In the United States, annual firearm homicides total

2009: 9,146
2008: 9,484
2007: 10,129
2006: 10,225
2005: 10,158
2004: 9,385
2003: 9,659
2002: 9,369
2001: 8,890
1999: 8,259
1998: 9,257

Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
In the United States, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

2009: 2.98
2008: 3.12
2007: 3.36
2006: 3.42
2005: 3.43
2004: 3.20
2003: 3.37
2002: 3.25
2001: 3.12
1999: 2.97
1998: 3.37
1993: 7.07

It looks like gun deaths have been dropping, am I reading this wrong?

You are correct

Luvs_Footie, I'm not seeing a problem there. Explain.

they have been dropping with the mass introduction of ccw over the last decade plus or minus a few years..

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Now tell me what's wrong with this picture?

Nothing, except maybe that more guns in private hands would be good. What do you think is wrong with it?

At our house, we each have a small caliber handgun, a larger caliber handgun, a .22 varmint rifle, a deer rifle, a .410, and a 12-gauge. SwampMan is a handgun enthusiast as well as a black powder rifle enthusiast, so he has lots of extra toys hanging about.

We both work in the school system, and we're both prior military. There are a LOT of active duty (National Guard) teachers as well as retired military teachers. Several of our staff have served tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. There are also a lot of teachers with concealed carry licenses. I do not think that there would be a problem getting volunteers to carry weapons in the south. The north, now, I couldn't say.

GD it Nike dont confuse the issue with actual statistics. Dont you know it is how you FEEL and not the truth that matters.

( Yes it is sarc and if you cant figure that out then God help you and thank you for voting for Obama )