The Stark Budget Reality, In Pictures
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Posted 2012-12-09 17:27
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The Stark Budget Reality, In Pictures
 

If you read my Ticker from earlier in which I went after Marco Rubio and called him a fraud, along with both the Democrat and Republican parties in general (and, incidentally, the Libertarians as well) you were issued a challenge to de-credit-expansion GDP and then apply that to the budget.

Why is this important, you might ask?

It's critically important because it is the only way to figure out the real impact of these programs on the economy ex monetary games.

That is, how they "feel" to you as an ordinary citizen.

You probably didn't want to do the work, even though it only takes minutes.

Here's the "punch line" chart from the previous Ticker, once again:

But this understates the problem -- dramatically so -- even though the blue line shows the growth in federal medical spending, and makes quite clear exactly how bad that really is.

But notice that the rest of those lines are not really all that scary.

Or are they?

If you read the rest of that Ticker, you know they are, because GDP is not really output.  It is a ratio.

That is, the classical GDP equation:

GDP = C + I + G + (x - i)

is not actually a value, because each of the items in the equality are valued in "dollars", and yet GDP is in fact represented to be in an invariant unit! 

That is, if GDP[time 1] = $10,000 and GDP[time 2] = $20,000

then the representation made is that

GDP[time2] > GDP[time1]

THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY TRUE!

In order for it to be true since all money is debt and all debts must have both a credit and debit then the above assertion is only of necessity true if:

DEBT[time2] is less than or equal to DEBT[time1]

across the entire economy!

If there is more debt at [time2] than at [time1] then we do not know whether GDP has actually increased in invariant units until we adjust GDP for the destruction or addition in value of each unit of credit and currency that is represented by the addition (or subtraction) to credit in the system.

Remember that money only has "value" because it is scarce in both relative and absolute terms.  That is, if I wave a magic wand and double the amount of "money" everyone has, the price of everything in the economy will, on average, immediately double since the value of each unit has been cut in half.  This is easily demonstrated; if you could cut each dollar bill in your pocket in half and yet spend it as if it were a whole bill, all merchants would insist that you present both halves to buy what used to be bought with one entire bill.  Whether this is done electronically or physically does not matter.

Now some will challenge me, I'm sure, on the premise that credit expands the monetary base and thus the value of money exactly as does emitting actual currency.  Anyone who does so is arguing with themselves since virtually everyone has a credit card or three in their wallet.

That credit card spends exactly the same way as does the $20 bill in your wallet and thus it is utter lunacy to argue against the primary point of this Ticker.

So, assuming 1980 as a baseline (and I can cleanly argue that 1980 is entirely too generous, incidentally) what does the percentage of invariant output -- that is, actual output of persons and firms in the United States -- look like for these government programs when adjusted for credit debasement by both government and private banking interests?

Those four programs consume 42.89% of all productive output in the United States economy today, adjusted for the currency debasement effects of both Federal Deficit Spending and unbacked private credit issuance using 1980 as a baseline -- and that date is being generous.

If you want to know why we're utterly screwed it is because almost half of everything the economy produces is instantly sucked up by these four government programs, standing alone.

It's not half the Federal Budget folks, it's nearly half of the entire economy.

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You have a typo. Should be: debt@time2 = debt@time1 across the entire economy.

Major fault: you do not distinguish between debt for consumption vs debt for production.

Example of productive debt: Sasol is building a NG-to-diesel plant in Louisiana. Its placed there in part to co-locate with the Ford shale-gas field in Texas. I claim this is debt for production.

I know its hard to make this distinction. I would also say that a lot of the Govt debt (at all levels) is for consumption. But, a lot is for production: e.g. interstates, Intra-costal waterway, flood control. Maybe the court systems.

It is my belief that a large fraction of the Federal debt is for consumption. But when the split between consumption/production is quantified you have a much stronger argument.
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Wrong.

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Debt is debt, what does it matter how the debt is incurred?

Excellent ticker Karl. Hope it gets read far and wide. Those numbers are scary to think about.
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Debt for consumption or production can only be determined after the fact if production actually increases.

You can't eat intentions :)
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Debt for production is accretive to future GDP, in which case the ratio is not damaged (it is actually improved.) It is therefore unnecessary to separate it out.

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Another way to put it: debt will only help improve future GDP only if it is invested profitably.

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Yep, Great Ticker. The question is why this has been happening and I think its pretty obvious. We are propping asset values through debt. Society has just hit the inflection point where it can't afford the interest payments to support the underlying asset values. Its one of the problems with wealth accumulation with a relatively stable money supply. The more wealth that accumulates into fewer hands (as a natural course of competition) the greater the price of those assets has to drop to be affordable when sold as a function of the math. Every market should be self correcting unless you distort the free market process and debt issuance is the primary method to distort the market.
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Its one of the problems with wealth accumulation with a relatively stable money supply


You wrote that wrong. This is the problem with an exponentially increasing money supply. People have 'accumulated wealth' through the theft of increasing the money supply. When the debt can't be paid off we get the bust and decrease the money supply which is how you maintain a long term stable money supply.

We are currently deciding who takes the loss for the bad debt and those with money are using their political power to make sure money ends up in the hands of a few. Given the 'natural course of competition' all of the current crop of rich people have already lost all their money and more.

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We're simply talking about the money supply. We supposedly have 'real GDP' which is adjusted for inflation, but they don't use the actual change in the money supply in order to intentionally understate it.

What I don't understand about this is why economists have such a difficult time with the money supply. It is not hard to count up every time a dollar is created via credit or literal printing of cash. I mean how was all this covered up and obfuscated when it is so simple.

An increase in the money supply is theft.

Having the government steal money and give it to people does not grow the economy. How could it? If it could why don't we just increase the velocity of theft and have everyone get in on it. (Which we did with housing loans and racially biased lending for fairness)

If you are going to allow bankers to print up money then you have to have booms and busts aka the business cycle. You cannot exponentially increase the money supply forever, debt must be paid down or defaulted to balance the emission so we maintain a level money supply or you are simply committing theft against those who do not borrow money.

And if you go back and simply back the money supply out of GDP the whole of economics is a laughingstock. OMG the wonderful growth of Japan, China and the Asian tigers! How did they grow GDP so quickly!

Japan doubled their money supply every few years when everyone was agog over their wonderful growth before it bit them. China doubled their money supply from 2009 to 2011 yet their currency strengthened. Why would you allow someone to double their money supply without requiring them to pay you twice as much?

My mind boggles at the sheer idiocy behind all of this. And how simple the lie is that got us into this mess.


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Excellent ticker, Karl, definitely a quantum leap in depth of explanation.

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Debt for production is accretive to future GDP, in which case the ratio is not damaged (it is actually improved.) It is therefore unnecessary to separate it out.


Wait, what about Solyndra? (and all her multi-BK sisters) All that debt was, until one fateful day...future directed. Then it/they turned into a black hole(s) of sub-productive debt.


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Well, the assumption of course is that the debt taken for production ACTUALLY PRODUCES. If it does not then it's exactly as destructive as debt-for-consumption is.

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Debasement is paying 100k for a college education to become a janitor or waitress.

Grashopa, the concept is intentionally made complicated.
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Well, then Solyndra was a towering ****load of creative destruction all in one incredibly fancy bldg in Fremont, CA.

But did not EMC just buy that bldg? From the "your loss is my Gain dep't?"

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I guess the good news is when you remove the false demand created by debt growth, the cost of these programs decreases as well.
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According to Krugman we need some additional debt for the make believe alien invasion. He doesn't want to take a pay cut.
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Karl,

The more you dig into these Debt / GDP numbers, the worse things look.

Now, how scary is it if we look at mfg GDP of 1980 vs mfg GDP now ? Would love to see you do some work in that direction if you can. Seems like we'd have an even larger distortion than in your last chart above re: Defense / Med spending, etc., ratio to GDP then and now.

Seems like a lot of current debt is dispensed through the economy and supports Star Bucks / Service / Retail / Financial economy, which then creates jobs in like service businesses. But, this does NOTHING to increase standards of living as we aren't MAKING STUFF.

I about flipped when I saw comment on the previous thread referring to "not enough jobs in America" (USA). Have these people not driven through crumbling cities over crumbling infrastructure ?? Can they not make the connection between crumbling USA and paying people not to work ?? !!

I know they'll respond saying "with what money?". These people do not understand markets, finding a job, making a job, doing something constructive, trading your service fixing someone's house for another that grows food, builds a car, etc.; then becoming a consumer / tax PAYER.

We've so conditioned America away from a market based economy and so 'bastardized' the market, I see a lot of pain to get back where we need to be to again advance standards of living.

Can we imagine where our standard of living would be if all the people who've been paid not to work, through all the years of welfare, etc., actually had produced things that were dispersed into the economy at the marketable price ?? Then if all those same had been tax payers vs takers of production and taxes ??




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Manufacturing is barely 10% of GDP. To bring it back inline with the 1980s, standard year, will require manufacturing to double, or GDP to decline by 50%. The tertiary sectors of the economy (services) MUST be properly supported by robust primary (agricultural) and secondary (industry) sectors. Having a solely tertiary based economy only works if you are a small country. For a large country you have to have balance. The US economy is completely out of balance in this regard.

Karl's post is completely correct in this regard. Some time back, I posted a thread showing the increase in "FIRE", government and healthcare in the economy. I figured that in order to bring us back to the pre-debt bubble era level of credit (1980-1981) we would have to sustain a 50% or GREATER decrease in GDP. Good to see that I am not far off the mark.

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Good post, Fraudster.

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I heard on the radio tonight that Obama and John's Boner went behind closed doors in the White House today for secret 'discussions'. No doubt an agreement will be reached to avert the 'fiscal cliff'. The oligarchs and the leeches will remain on the edge while the taxpayers get shoved off.

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It seems to me that economic collapse is already inevitable at this point and centralbankers+politicians know it very well too. The only choice is immediately to do the right(?) thing and have quick and sudden deflationary collapse willingly or max out the credit and debt and have hyperinflationary collapse later. Knowing that, it looks like there is silent decision, taken by centralbankers+politicians, to have it later.
Is it bad decision? If there's need to collapse anyway, maybe it is better to max out ponzi scheme completely, run up public debt to japan level and moreso and then, maybe after 10-15 years from now, hyperinflate and start from the scratch? As history shows as long as states have manufacturing base or commodities, there were no immediate Mad Max scenarios, although suckage was enormous - Germany 1923, Soviet Union 1991. Is USA capable to pull it off in the future?

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What do y'all mean by manufacturing? A grandfather in overalls in middle Georgia with a home built CNC machine in his shop can do more in a day with more accuracy than a workshop with 20 employees with hand tools. (We met him this weekend.)

CNC machines are quietly turning garages and workshops into manufacturing facilities.

At the CNC workshops that we occasionally find time to attend here in the USA (usually grumbling about the inconvience), I find it interesting that there are a lot of Europeans and South Americans that have paid a lot in hotel expenses and airfare in order to attend and see some of the ideas/projects that other folks have done.


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fraudster wrote
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Manufacturing is barely 10% of GDP. To bring it back inline with the 1980s, standard year, will require manufacturing to double, or GDP to decline by 50%. The tertiary sectors of the economy (services) MUST be properly supported by robust primary (agricultural) and secondary (industry) sectors. Having a solely tertiary based economy only works if you are a small country. For a large country you have to have balance. The US economy is completely out of balance in this regard.


Perfectly said.....this is the fundamental underlying truth of any economy. The next layer is how you price those fundamentla units of production in order to maintain enough earned income to fund the consumption cycle of the production.

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Now that I've let my enthusiasm for CNC machines run away with me, let me quickly add that I, too, have the uneasy feeling that we (countries worldwide) are teetering on the verge of a financial collapse, depression, and Gawd knows what else. We (my family and community) don't trust the (Federal) government to look out after our best interests at all; in fact, we regard them as the enemy that are hell bent on destroying our way of life.

Hope we're wrong.

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