To The RNC: Screw You, Liars (PS: Ditto to the DNC)
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Posted 2012-12-09 11:34
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To The RNC: Screw You, Liars (PS: Ditto to the DNC)
 

The simple reality is that neither side of the aisle has any association with the facts, and they know this.  They are liars and frauds and I am hard-pressed to find just one who has spoken in a truthful manner about the budget, the problems facing our nation from a fiscal perspective, and what has to be done.

I am going to present facts, as I usually do, and utterly destroy Marco "I'm a fraud" Rubio, who presented the week's "Republican Address", otherwise known as a GOP Lie Machine.

"Americans are struggling to find or keep middle class jobs for two reasons: because our economy is not creating enough of these jobs and because too many of our people don't have the education or skills required for the jobs that are being created," says Rubio. "A limited government can and must help solve these challenges.

Wrong.  Americans are struggling to find or keep middle-class jobs because the definition of "middle class" keeps moving upward in both required skill set and monetary reward.  Since the distribution of human intelligence is more-or-less fixed, this inevitably means that more people get left behind as they are simply unable to perform at the higher demanded level of output.

This would not be a problem but for the second factor, which is that the amount of money required to be considered "middle class" keeps going up.  You touch on that later on, and I'll get to it, but I want to note that none of the existing political parties, including the Third Parties, are talking about this or making it a campaign issue.

"We must get the national debt under control. Tax increases will not solve our $16 trillion debt. Only economic growth and a reform of entitlement programs will help control the debt.

Economic "growth" has not happened since the 1980s.  You are a liar Marco, and since I assume you are intelligent this is not a mistake, it is a lie. 

Since all money is debt-backed in our economic system it is trivially easy to determine the expansion of GDP over time removing out the expansion of debt.  This one must do in order to obtain an accurate accounting of actual output.

So let's do that.

This is the graph of all forms of debt in the United States from 1980 to today.  It is, of course, denominated in dollars.  In 1980 GDP stood at $2.724 trillion.  Today, it stands at $15.775 trillion, 579% of its 1980 value.

However,  all forms of debt in the Z1 stood at $4.398 trillion in 1980, at the same time GDP stood at $2.724 trillion.  That is, monetarily one unit of GDP was represented by 1.61 units of currency and credit. 

In currency-invariant terms, therefore, our GDP was 0.619.  We'll make this convenient and multiply these invariant terms by 1,000; ergo, our currency-invariant GDP was 619.

So what is it now?

Today, we have a GDP of $15.775 (from the latest preliminary estimate) but debt of $55.358 trillion.  That is, monetarily one unit of GDP is now represented by 3.55 units of currency and credit.

In currency-invariant terms, therefore, our GDP is 0.281.  For convenience we again multiply by 1,000; ergo, our currency-invariant GDP is at present 281.

619 is about 220% of 281, or, if you prefer, GDP in invariant terms is 45.4% of what it was in 1980!

Growth?  Where?

There hasn't been any; what there has been instead is a scam promulgated by both political parties and you, Macro "I am a fraud" Rubio are one of the chief promoters.  John Boehner is another, as are Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan.

You can't evade the arithmetic sonny.  It just is.

"We must reform our complicated, uncertain, job-killing tax code, by getting rid of unjustified loopholes. But our goal should be to generate new revenue by creating new taxpayers, not new taxes.

The first thing to do is to put an absolute and immediate stop to the creation of unbacked credit and thus prevent, on an immediate and permanent basis, the fraudulent misrepresentation of alleged "GDP growth" that has not actually happened by politicians -- including yourself.

One of the first things you learn in algebra class is that in order to solve an equation you must isolate the variable you are attempting to solve for on one side of the equality.  If you do not then you are not producing a solution to an equation, you are (at best) expressing a ratio.

The middle class is being destroyed because government is both directly stealing from the people via deficit spending and allowing banksters to steal from the people via the unbacked emission of credit, destroying the purchasing power of their earnings and the economic output of the nation as a whole.

We can only address actual problems when we talk about them in honest terms.

"We must follow a balanced approach to regulations. Regulations are needed, but they cost money to follow. The more expensive a regulation is, the less money a business has leftover to give raises or hire new people.

Some "regulation" is necessary.  But you aren't proposing that.  For example:

  • It should be a felony to represent GDP as a value when it is in fact a ratio.  In order to represent GDP as a value one must remove the expansion of currency and credit (of all sorts) from the left side of the equation.  This is simply done as I demonstrated above, and if it is done it shows that GDP has contracted dramatically since 1980.

  • It should be a felony for a politician, banker, or any other person to attempt to profit by knowingly and intentionally lying about third-grade arithmetic, or for that matter, to do so about middle-school algebra.  The laws of mathematics are not suggestions, they are facts.  We imprisoned Madoff (and are trying Stanford) for ponzi arithmetic games with their investors.  You, Mr. Rubio, and the rest of Congress along with both ex-President Bush and current-President Obama, should be there with them for the same outrageous frauds perpetrated upon the public via that very same ponzi economic lie.

  • It should be a life felony for a bank or other institution to issue unbacked credit, as such is a naked short upon the currency of the United States, and the right to issue unbacked currency is reserved to the Congress, not private banks.  This extends from The Fed on downward; these people should all be in prison right here and now.

Those would make a good start for "regulations we should have."  We can talk about the other ones that are necessary once we've implemented these three. 

"We must not let American innovation in our energy industry go to waste. We have the potential for all kinds of new middle class jobs--from the fields and platforms where we drill, to the manufacturing plants that will return to the U.S. with the lower cost of energy. But we need government to encourage these job opportunities, not continue to block them.

Oh really?  So let me see if I get this right -- extracting a resource faster is going to make more of it magically appear?  Yes, I understand that we have a lot of oil and natural gas in the ground.  I further understand that fracking and similar games make formerly-uneconomic parts of our resource extractable at economically-attractive prices.  But this does not change the total amount of resource that exists, it merely changes the rate at which it can be extracted and consumed.  By definition increasing the extraction rate also increases the depletion rate -- but that's not being discussed, is it?

"A return to sound monetary policy would also help by making the future value of a dollar more predictable.

See above you scam-meister. 

"And we must get the cost of health insurance under control. You should be able to get a health care plan that fits your needs and your budget, from any company in America that's willing to sell it to you, and with the same tax benefit if you buy it yourself or have an employer buy it for you."

Ah, I see.  The answer is simply to allow people to buy insurance with pre-tax dollars?

Oh nonsense.

Let's break it down.

Yes, defense spending has risen dramatically (by nearly a double in terms of GDP!) since 2000.  But it fell by half as a percentage of GDP from the 1980s to 2000, so in terms of GDP it is not even back to where it was during Reagan's term in office.  Yes, it's too high, and yes, we need to cut out our meddling in other nations affairs (anyone who thinks otherwise need only look at the results in Egypt, where arming radical Muslims has had an utterly-predictable result) but the budget problem does not lie there.

Nor does it lie in Social Security.  Indeed, absent the Payroll Tax Cut, which was nothing more or less than an intentional destruction of Social Security's funding base (and one for which every member of Congress and the Administration should face trial and imprisonment in about ten years when an immediate and permanent 30% reduction in benefits is forced by the law -- oh, they didn't bother telling you that, right?) there was nothing serious going wrong there.  In point of fact as a percentage of GDP that's mostly-flat.  The biggest problem Social Security has in the above chart (see that big spike right around 2008?) is the outrageous growth in "disability" claims most of which are by people who can work but choose instead to suck on the SSDI entitlement, and our government encourages and permits this fraud to take place.

Welfare, on the other hand, is a serious and emergent problem.  It has increased about 50% in terms of GDP in recent years, much of it in food stamps and unemployment handouts.  Welfare programs must be cut by 50% to come back into historical norms. 

But the real 900lb Gorilla is one specific line above -- Health Care

And that is not about entitlements, really, at all.  It is about government-granted monopolies that allow the health system to screw you each and every day.  A minority of that winds up coming back into the federal budget in the form of entitlement spending, but what is done to the private sector is even worse.

This is an actual fiscal emergency as it represents a nearly 300% increase in constant-output terms over the last 30 years.  (In nominal terms it's a 1,554% increase in spending!)  And while this coming year is "projected" to be flat, that same projection was made in countless previous years, including when Medicare Part "D" was passed, and yet Medicare Part "D" produced only a small one-year reprieve in the acceleration in the year it went into effect.

Remember that much of modern medicine is technology driven, and that technology becomes cheaper every year.  Yet health costs in constant-GDP terms has tripled in government spending over that same period.

This is directly due to the monopoly-style protections that government has granted the health industry, and if this is not addressed now nothing else will matter in terms of the budget at all. 

Yet neither political party is saying one word about the data that is right under their, and your, nose.

Ps: Your homework, should you choose to do it, is to recompute the above endpoints with the adjustment for actual invariant GDP instead of "nominal" GDP "as-reported."  Make sure you're sitting down first. This is where the enormity of the problem becomes instantly apparent; government as a percentage of actual economic output has more than doubled since 1980, and the inflation of credit has been used to cover it up.  If we do not put a stop to this practice then the rest is utterly immaterial.

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"Wrong. Americans are struggling to find or keep middle-class jobs because the definition of "middle class" keeps moving upward in both required skill set and monetary reward. Since the distribution of human intelligence is more-or-less fixed, this inevitably means that more people get left behind as they are simply unable to perform at the higher demanded level of output."

There is so much in this concisely stated observation.

If thresher machine accelerates faster than the sheeple can respond....

And what causes the acceleration? International competition?

And if a society is so amped up that its quest for faster, better, cheaper, leaves behind a growing number of its populace, what do you have?

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Interesting ticker and numbers on GDP.

So, I was thinking about how GDP/credit would be calculated under One Dollar of Capital, and it seems like they're not even comparable numbers at that point.

GDP measures instantaneous value of products/services as they're originally sold. But it has no concept of how well that value is preserved over time.

Credit in One Dollar of Capital removes the shorting of currency, as loans just become transfers of ownership of existing assets, so the amount of credit potentially in the system could go up if produced assets hold their value better over time. Doesn't really have much to do with GDP.

I guess I just don't like GDP very much at all, since ditch-digging is GDP too :)
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Behold the power of compound interest, the second bet way ever devised to separate people from their money! What a nice upward spiral those who create and lend the money have enjoyed from this. People borrow which means they have to pay interest but it also means that prices rise because of the increased money supply which means that they have to borrow even more. Quite a scam they have going. The only way to bet this is to go all-out Dave Ramsey and not have debt.

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Since the distribution of human intelligence is more-or-less fixed, this inevitably means that more people get left behind as they are simply unable to perform at the higher demanded level of output."


I'm familiar with plenty of people who would have been steel workers or factory workers in earlier eras who are now in mid level management positions at large companies and are pulling down nice salaries. They have generally turned mid level management into a sort of 'wild kingdom' where they behave like baboons. But they think they're smart.

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Great catch on the intelligence aspect Karl - that's a real hot button for almost everyone. Mention IQ being relevant and your 'normal' people get*****ED.

Back in the 1980's Jeremy Rifkin wrote two books with pretty brilliant concepts - The End of Work was one :

http://www.amazon.com/End-Work-Jeremy-Ri....

You can get it for a penny on Spamazon.

Rifkin's point was pretty simple - at some point in the future we were going to have far more workers than were actually needed. His example even then was a Japanese TV factory that produced 5k sets a day and had 5 worker to run the plant.

Add in the Chinese cheap labor phenom and stir briskly and it turns out Rifkin was completely correct - it was never acknowledged then, nor is it acknowledged now.

The 64,000 dollar (or soon to be $20 trillion dollar question) is what do you do with those people who cannot do useful work in an a high-IQ worker economy ? They cannot all schlep coffee at Starbucks. Fox News today pointed out we have 114 million private workers supporting 88 million govt workers and welfare people. That is not even remotely sustainable under a pure capitalist economy - which is why we have the corporate socialist plutocracy that we have today.

For ten thousand years there was always more work than people needed to do the work - now that is no longer the case.

What do you do with un-needed people ?

I don't know.

But I do know that the system as it stands now will NEVER face that issue head on until AFTER it collapses under its own weight.

And PS - Rifkin wrote an even more brilliant book called Entropy - which covers most all of the other issues we face as well.

Entropy
http://www.amazon.com/Entropy-World-View....
End of Work
Fourth Turning
http://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-Ame....

The 3 most important books you will never read ... until it is all too late. It would be funny if people weren't so utterly stupid. LOL

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The only way to bet this is to go all-out Dave Ramsey and not have (any) debt.


Check!

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For ten thousand years there was always more work than people needed to do the work - now that is no longer the case.


There are plenty of examples in history where this was not the case. Take for example, pre-plague Europe c. 1340AD, Ireland, c. 1800-1845 and the entire industrialized world from about 1890-1914.

Sometimes nature solves the problem in the form of pestilence or famine. Sometimes people solve it in the form of war. In our time, people can create a a pestilence and I'm surprised some Ted Kaczynski type with a genetics lab hasn't done it yet.

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Koch wrote..
The 64,000 dollar (or soon to be $20 trillion dollar question) is what do you do with those people who cannot do useful work in an a high-IQ worker economy ?


"War, huh, good God What is it good for??? Absolutely nothin.." - Edwin Starr

Well, nothing exept killin off all that excess labor Rifkins talkin about.

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Yup. War.

Which is where the 4T said we were going (in 1996) :

1780 Rev War
1860 Civ War
1940 WWII
2020 ?

Once again - 80 years like clockwork - the length of a long human life - the wisdom of old people dies with them and the society is doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Anyone who does not see that we are headed into the next BIG war is, in my book, quite literally, mentally unhinged.

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Of course they're liars. And damn good ones too since the large, large majority of the incumbents are reelected. I think Americans love to be lied to. Oh, the average American will tell you that if there's one thing he hates it's a 'liar'. But in the privacy of the voting booth he'll vote for one quicker than a rattlesnake bite.

And I laugh at Rubio when he says that we need more jobs and more education. And then the conservative republicans are beginning to fold on 'comprehensive immigration reform' and are about to give 20 million criminal indigent illiterate illegal foreigners 'a path to citizenship' (aka - amnesty) so that they too have the 'right to work' and take jobs from our underclass - adding millions more to the safety net rolls. Obama is going to push for 'comprehensive immigration reform' right after they punt the ball on the 'fiscal cliff' after the first of the year and the conservative Republicans are going to gift wrap it for him as a late Christmas present.

IMO it's SO over. This society is gamed in so many ways it's like walking through a Vegas casino and looking at all the different ways they swindle our money. Roulette (healthcare), blackjack (social security) one armed bandits (gamed investment markets), Kino (gamed banking system), sportsbet (perpetual wars), etc, etc, etc.......

And it's all going to be pawned off on the innocent children who are nothing more than innocent bystanders and will have to pay for the sins of their mothers and fathers.

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I'm a bit confused on the not enough skilled workers argument. I find it hard to believe that the skill is not available here, although the abundant ignorance is impressive. The problem to me seems to be more about the price at which companies can obtain said labor. Sure it's easy for Apple to say there arent enough tech savvy employees in the US, then setup shop in China and pay the slaves a dime an hour. Certainly they could locate some high school dropout and teach them to glue a digitizer onto an iphone with little trouble?

It's for this reason i have trouble buying the argument that the required skillset is outpacing Americans' ability to perform. The people that are unable to 'perform at the higher level of output' is not a matter of intelligence I would say. There is a massive tradeoff issue impacting achieving middle class status in America. There was a study on ZH the other day that said (paraphrasing here) you were better off not having a job than making anywhere between 29-65k per year. I may have those numbers a bit of but you get the idea. I know Karl touched on monetary reward being part of the puzzle, but Id venture to say that if the cost of living hadnt risen so much lately and that 50kish per year were enough to allow for a 'middle class' lifestyle, the skilled workers argument would go right out the window.

"a limited gov't can help people get the education/skills needed for today's jobs" ????? DIAF rubio

EDIT: ascribed some of rubio's thoughts onto karl accidentally ... SORRY BOTTLEWASHER

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Good post with some concise points. I'm struggling a bit with the GDP to currency comparison though and then using that to say our GDP has declined by over 50%.

Economic output is up, but the price of it is going up faster.

If there were some other measure of stored value (instead of the US$) then you could get a better measure of economic output to use for comparison.

Also, the known issues with GDP (e.g. quality of output in terms of features/functionality increases for less cost - TVs now are better than in 1980 but at same/less cost so GDP is shown decreasing) come into play.

I'm not expressing my point well - but basically it feels to me like economic output is probably still growing (in terms of quality output / tech advances), but that the games are really being played with the currency which makes the cost of this advancement increase instead of decrease over time. By definition, GDP increases since it takes into account price of goods. So, we have more advancements since 1980, but we should be paying less for them and enjoying more of them, but instead monetary policy is driving up prices, and making lives harder than necessary.
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No it's not.

Technology improvement means that a unit of output goes further in terms of impact on the common person, but the actual units of output have gone down.

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Yup. War. Which is where the 4T said we were going (in 1996) :
1780 Rev War
1860 Civ War
1940 WWII
2020 ?

Once again -80 years like clockwork -the length of a long human life -the wisdom of old people dies with them and the society is doomed to repeat its mistakes. Anyone who does not see that we are headed into the next BIG war is, in my book, quite literally, mentally unhinged.


Where does WWI fit into that neat little cycle?
Lets us not forget the War of 1812, Spanish American War (1898).
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Karl

One of your biggest problems is that you write these blogs in a room without windows; we should do this and we should do that. Permit me to ask 1 pertinent question at this time, how can you get elected to office with that platform? The answer you can't, because your blogs don't take into consideration the politics and the liberal media on this issue.

You have to be elected into office to have power. You have to control the House to have any hope of effecting change in the House of Representatives where all fiscal policy emanates from, you have to have 51 Republican senators to effect change in the Senate, you have to have the White House to sway public debate.

So I ask you one simple question that I know you will not answer publicly in this forum. All though there is a pox on both houses, which party are you more politically aligned with

1. The Republicans who want to raise revenue by closing loop holes limiting write offs and deductions to the tune of 1 Trillion dollars and cutting spending by 3 trillion dollars for a total of 4 trillion dollars towards "deficit reductions"

or

2. The Democrats who want to raise taxes on house hold incomes above $250,000 not offer any specific cuts in spending, or discuss at any future date, save 1 trillion dollars in smoke and mirror budgeting like saving 1 trillion dollars form the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan whose military budgets were never in the annual budgets, etc. The revenue raised by raising taxes will only go into more social programs that will write checks for but in the future unable to cash.

Think Tip O'Neil/President Reagan or Bush #1 and the Democrats that controlled both houses of Congress. Which party offered a balanced plan to deal with the deficit/debt and which party gave us more tax and spending.

IMHO, your commentary should be focused on we the peopl, for electing these politicians to office.
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I am not politically aligned with any party at this time. I have publicly stated my previous affiliation with the Libertarian Party when I engaged them, and I publicly resigned when I ceased such engagement.

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Think Tip O'Neil/President Reagan or Bush #1 and the Democrats that controlled both houses of Congress. Which party offered a balanced plan to deal with the deficit/debt and which party gave us more tax and spending.

Neither, as I documented in this Ticker.

If you insist that I demarcate "support" for one over the other, I refuse to comply, since both are equally frauds.

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Nice, Karl. This is an instant Ticker Classic.

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Anyone who does not see that we are headed into the next BIG war is, in my book, quite literally, mentally unhinged.


I tend to agree with this sentiment.

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I think Karl places way too much importance on intelligence. Granted a good number of people do not have the aptitude to be engineers, software developers etc there are still plenty of people with the aptitude who cannot find jobs or jobs that use their education and pay a living wage in this economy.

I know many honest intelligent law school grads who've passed the bar in my notoriously difficult state who can't find a job. Even a judge's kid who went to Boalt. So I am not sure intelligence is the be all and end all of all things job related. I know of people in other fields who made good grades and studied hard and proved to have a fairly decent IQ who are having trouble.

And government jobs aren't really about who is most competent or honest or other such non sense. Its who you know. How good your ass kissing skills are etc. and not whether you can actually do math, be honest, have integrity, serve the public well etc.

I think the fed and the loose money in this country has totally defiled our character. Honesty, hard work, general competence, the ability to do basic arithmetic, or think longer term or critically are all no longer rewarded in this society.


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@ Kochevnik I read that Rifkin book you mentioned "the end of work" about 10 years ago. One of the rhetorical questions he asked or at least flowed naturally from his book was "how educated do you want your janitors to be? "

I thought this was a very prescient question and haven't seen any politician ask it in the last ten years. Education is always seen as the solution and it always requires more money more money more money. As if a lack of money was the problem. Anyone who went to Catholic grade school knows that good educational outcomes are about more than the money inputs.

And as for Karl's statements regarding intelligence. Intelligent people like Rifkin and your readers bring up these points all the time. When was the last time you heard anyone with any real power or large wealth in this country demonstrate leadership by asking these questions in public?

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Aztrader
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Intelligence is the mantra for people that give a ****. The Demos used the "lack of intelligence" to win the election. The govt sponsored schools, courses, media and teachers have sufficiently dumbed down this country to the point of no return. Understanding simple common sense is now difficult for a large part of the population. Anyone that couldn't see this adminstration for what it is can not be considered very bright.
Karl has brought to our attention day in and day out, the fraud, theft, manipulation, corruption etc etc and unfortunately it didn't get noticed very far from this blog. Educated people read and want to know what is going on and the dumbed down, text crazy morons that dot this country are growing in number every day. This is exactly what the politicians want. A population that is to stupid and lazy to give a ****. It makes the theft easier...........
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All of this money fraud is compounded by the evolution of the US economy into a consumption service economy from a manufacturing economy. Combine that with technology changes, globalization of high value jobs and H1B visas to keep the wage down there are fewer technology and design jobs in the US.

There aren't that many coal miners in the US now, there used to a million. There aren't that many farmers in the US now, there used to be millions and millions. The golden days of public employees are over, most state and the federal pensions have long ago taken the first rationalization steps. More will come. Teachers are being laid off.

The baby boomers have been robbed blind by the theft of their FICA taxes to pay their grandparents and parents pensions and medical benefits at the same time the asset bubble and money fraud is heading to end Ponzi stage.

How long can you pay insurance/medical bills of 20,000 a year when you don't have a job?

The following article describes US wage trends, but misses Karl's story of the money fraud.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arch....
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Sometimes nature solves the problem in the form of pestilence or famine. Sometimes people solve it in the form of war. In our time, people can create a a pestilence and I'm surprised some Ted Kaczynski type with a genetics lab hasn't done it yet.


Mo, what makes you think that it isn't under discussion now? Remember the Wannsee conference? We have more to fear from a corrupt and lying government than any individual acting alone. We seem to have enough psychopaths in the government and propaganda media willing to promote such ideas.

Here's the issue. The self-appointed "egalitarian" banker and political classes need the foolish dependent debt-slave consumers and government resource leeches to promote their life styles.

Yes. Nature has a way of balancing her own equations. You can't escape mathematics. The only thing we have done is to exploit limited resources across the planet at an accelerated rate to create artificial systems and have not invested in truly sustainable systems. The ability to run a growing city equates to the ability for it to consume energy resources.

Cheap energy has made the population of the world explode due to the fact it reduced the physical labor hours needed to grow food. It also has reduced the price of food and readily improved its transport across the globe. That factor accompanied by our science to allow people to be packed like sardines into large cities without the threat of killing diseases and increasing life spans have made all this possible.

Cheap energy allows the sanitation, water, and other systems to run. When the cheap energy is gone we may be forced back into similar systems and the population will naturally decline through starvation and ultimately disease. The more fortunate areas of the country will be on nuclear or hydro power but you still need fuel for transport of nuclear materials (fuel and waste) and replacement part's manufacture and transportation.

Yes, new jobs in the 'labor' class will be created though likely unwanted vs the handout economy. You simply can't use resources that don't exist.

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-Genera....

I once asked a man a question - If you had to choose between immortality or the ability to sire a new generation, which would you choose? It's more complex than what is quickly imagined.






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How long can you pay insurance/medical bills of 20,000 a year when you don't have a job?

Yeah but if we didn't have the health insurance/ gov't monopoly scams going that $20,000 a year would be many times lower. See the surgery center in Oklahoma that doesn't take insurance.


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