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Nevertoolate
Posts: 1222
Incept: 2007-08-26
San Antonio de Bexar de runover with illegals, Texas
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Haven't bought an American (Union Made) car in over 20 years. Vote with your dollars! It's better than having to wait for every two years.
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"Socialist never mind stealing, as long as they are the ones doing the stealing. They never mind lying, as long as they are doing the lying."-Mannfm11
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Sean
Posts: 1766
Incept: 2009-04-21
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Yep Honda or Elantra for me baby!
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Westcoaster
Posts: 7
Incept: 2010-06-11
Danville, CA
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As Karl stated, it all depends on what is in the contract.
Years ago I worked at a large manufacturing firm that even then had a very strict policy regarding drugs and alcohol due to the nature of the company's products. It was included in the union contract (with a very strong union), and part of the language was immediate dismissal for violating the policy.
Not long after I began working there, company security found several workers in the parking lot smoking dope on their lunch break. They were allowed back into the plant under escort just long enough to collect their tool boxes and personal items. The union did not support the filing of a grievance for the immediate firings, and that was the end of those workers' employment with the company, and probably any other company in the industry.
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Richardebel
Posts: 96
Incept: 2010-11-15
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I have driven Dodge Caravans since 1995. Never a bit of trouble other the normal replacement parts; tires, brakes, shocks, etc. My presents one(2005) has never been in the shop and I'm still driving it. The previous one(1995) had 210,000 miles on it when I gave it to my daughter who drove it for 5K and then traded it in. I can't forgive the workers who got caught. But I would venture that workers for other Companies, including Honda, have done similar things. They just didn't get caught.
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Nevertoolate
Posts: 1222
Incept: 2007-08-26
San Antonio de Bexar de runover with illegals, Texas
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Buying any product that is union made is effectively making a political contribution to the DNC. Can't wait for the Boeing workers in Washington state start smoking pot (since its legal) and planes start falling out of the sky.
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"Socialist never mind stealing, as long as they are the ones doing the stealing. They never mind lying, as long as they are doing the lying."-Mannfm11
Before you attempt to beat the odds, be sure that you can survive the odds beating you.
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Genesis
Posts: 130798
Incept: 2007-06-26
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I don't care how much pot you smoke on your own time and never have. It's none of the employer's damn business, provided you are sober when reporting to work.
Come to work stoned (or otherwise intoxicated) just once and you should be fired -- period.
That was my policy at MCSNet and I believe it is the only proper and just policy. If you went off to lunch and came back intoxicated, irrespective of what you consumed, you were ****ed and done.
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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Morla
Posts: 817
Incept: 2009-11-09
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Well American driveways are full of people drinking beer while working on cars, but a technical profession is certainly no place to be smoking weed.
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Pay_lay_ale
Posts: 260
Incept: 2010-09-16
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"Buying an product that is union made is effectively making a political contribution to the DNC. Can't wait for the Boeing workers in Washington state start smoking pot (since its legal) and planes start falling out of the sky."
Not necessarily. Weed doesn't have the same effects as alcohol. All it really does is make you giggle like a school girl, eat taco bell "food," and want to listen to Bob Marley.
I'm sure there is already a % of employees who already use it. There's an even greater % of their workers who drink, but are responsible about it and don't come to work drunk.
Regardless, an employer is well within its right to fire employees who are drunk on the job, even though alcohol is legal in most parts of all 57 states. There are now some hospitals that are prohibiting all tobacco use on their property and firing people disobey said rule.
Also, there's a lot of redundancy built into airliners and intensive quality control and testing. The most crucial assembly is usually done by robotics. Planes aren't just going to start dropping out of the sky because one worker is stoned.
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Drjerry
Posts: 584
Incept: 2007-11-06
Seattle
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Years ago some Boeing employees were taped drinking beer and smoking weed on their lunch hour in the parking lot of a nearby Quickie Mart. When they returned to work they were shown the tapes then escorted out. They didn't even get to finish the shift.
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Flaps10
Posts: 5173
Incept: 2008-10-17
seattle
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Boeing gathered employees the day after the vote on pot was counted and told them that regardless of the change in state law it will get you fired immediately.
And the most crucial assembly is done by people. There are ZERO robots in final assembly.
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Bigcanoe321
Posts: 1
Incept: 2012-12-05
Big Canoe, GA
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The employees fired for two years I assume were able to draw unemployment for 99 weeks...God bless America.
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Nevertoolate
Posts: 1222
Incept: 2007-08-26
San Antonio de Bexar de runover with illegals, Texas
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I worked construction during the summer when going to college in the early 70's. The painters union had it in their contract (on government work at NSA much less) that they could have one beer at morning and afternoon break as well as two during lunch time. The union's attorney's had argued that even if they were drinking, they could pose no harm to other workers/employees and besides alcohol is LEGAL! Next thing was the carpenters and electricians were saying they were being discriminated against. They offered me a full time job, which I didn't take. Once the cat is out of the bag, you can't put it back in. Just wait and see.
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"Socialist never mind stealing, as long as they are the ones doing the stealing. They never mind lying, as long as they are doing the lying."-Mannfm11
Before you attempt to beat the odds, be sure that you can survive the odds beating you.
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Plaman
Posts: 56
Incept: 2010-02-23
NE Ohio
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And if they outperform the sober incompetent can we fire them too?
There is no sobering up from stupidity.
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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"Weed doesn't have the same effects as alcohol. All it really does is make you giggle like a school girl, eat taco bell 'food' and want to listen to Bob Marley."
Let's just say I've committed to memory every single Marley song ever recorded. I don't want cars or airplanes built by stoners. Karl's policy of no "intoxication" on the job is fine, but a company also has the right to say that you can't even smoke weed (or drink or do any drug) OFF the job. People will disagree with me, but it's my opinion that someone who smokes weed every night is a little extra dull the next day as well. So if a company says "no drug use, period" and you don't like it, find another job. If I were running a car company or Boeing, that's what I would require.
Technical question: Is there a drug test that can tell if someone is presently "high" as opposed to merely presenting evidence of having smoked dope within the prior two weeks? Because if there isn't, then a company requiring total abstinence is the only practical route to maintaining a non-stoner workforce.
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Dazedncornfused
Posts: 313
Incept: 2010-10-13
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Stand up and be counted or line up and be numbered.
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Anti
Posts: 4301
Incept: 2007-10-09
Online
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Quote:Let's just say I've committed to memory every single Marley song ever recorded. I don't want cars or airplanes built by stoners. Karl's policy of no "intoxication" on the job is fine, but a company also has the right to say that you can't even smoke weed (or drink or do any drug) OFF the job. People will disagree with me, but it's my opinion that someone who smokes weed every night is a little extra dull the next day as well. So if a company says "no drug use, period" and you don't like it, find another job. If I were running a car company or Boeing, that's what I would require. Some time ago I saw a short video about the harm of drug use - maybe the type of video they show in DARE classes. Anyway a lab technician was interviewed who said he used to use heavily every weekend but had quit after noticing that every Monday he had to look up procedures that he had long since memorized.
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Yayankee
Posts: 25
Incept: 2009-06-09
New York
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Government Motors is in big trouble...from today's WSJ
General Motors Co. on Friday began doubling cash incentives and sweetening lease terms on some vehicles to reduce a growing inventory of unsold cars and pickup trucks.
Dealers received details of new offers for vehicles including the Chevrolet Malibu, Chevrolet Cruze, Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickup trucks, according to a company memo sent to GM dealerships.
The Detroit auto maker told dealers they can provide customers with as much as $2,000 in cash toward the trucks and sweeten lease terms for the passenger cars. The additional incentives would apply to vehicles bought through Jan. 2.
"We are going to remain competitive with out incentives," said spokesman Terry Rhadigan. "Our higher average transaction prices give us some room to maneuver in a disciplined way."
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Docberg
Posts: 164
Incept: 2009-02-20
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I live some distance from a major Chrysler assembly plant. I knew some people who worked there when Lee Iacocca took over the company. The new company policy was that there were people stationed at each entrance to the plant, observing incoming workers and smelling their breath. Those who showed up drunk or stoned were sent home. I expect that the quality of production went up significantly as the company got turned around, at least for some time. I have never owned a Chrysler product, but my parents did, and after driving them, I was not much impressed. The best car I ever had was a Pontiac Fiero GT, and had to part with it, with tears in my eyes after only 235,000 miles. Family responsibilities indicated that I needed more than just one passenger seat. I am now on my second Pontiac Vibe, and am very satisfied with them. Now that GM in its infinite wisdom has axed Pontiac, I expect to be buying Toyotas for the foreseeable future. My Vibe is just a Matrix with a Pontiac nose.
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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Most of the people who think pot is fine are stupid...because they ****ing smoke pot. Isn't that a generalization? Yes, of course it's a generalization. Because life's too short not to make generalizations. I make lots of them. Proudly. People need to make more generalizations.
This doesn't mean I think pot should be illegal - any more than hitting yourself real hard on the head with a hammer should be illegal.
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Clintb350
Posts: 1455
Incept: 2008-01-19
Southern AZ
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Lemonaid
Posts: 9879
Incept: 2008-01-20
Metro Detroit
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They better hope auto loan rates keep falling at the current pace or they're ****'d.
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"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved." Ludwig von Mises
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Dazedncornfused
Posts: 313
Incept: 2010-10-13
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-03....Yayankee sez -> Government Motors is in big trouble...from today's WSJGeneral Motors Co. on Friday began doubling cash incentives and sweetening lease terms on some vehicles Yup, GM is channel stuffing again, the Zerohedge link gives us the unpleasant truth. Our local GM dealer just took delivery of about 225 big 4 wheel drive trucks, most are soon-to-be-outdated 2012s, about a third 2011s. And these are the blingy show trucks, not the work and snowplow trucks that sell here. The sales quota was >doubled< over 2012. They're parked out in lonely fields without lighting or security, yeah that'll work great in Michigan where the motto is "If thou seekest a good place to strip metal stuff look around thee." The whole American auto thing is just being mismanaged out of existence.
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Stand up and be counted or line up and be numbered.
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Genesis
Posts: 130798
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Yep.... It go KABOOM (again)
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Crzymorse
Posts: 1195
Incept: 2010-06-25
Maryland
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They are stocking up with GM cars for the Christmas rush.... Cash for Carbon will be next.
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