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Docj
Posts: 998
Incept: 2009-09-10
Duck & Cover
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Obama's Hack wrote..Republicans are committing themselves to an unsustainable principle of no marginal tax-rate increases whatsoever. Holy argument by assertion, Batman. What's "unsustainable", you Barry Bummlicker, is government spending 42% of GDP while taxing at about 24% of GDP. Now, you tell me how you raise taxes in the US, which have never, ever been more than 30% or so of US GDP (including ALL fed, state and local taxes) for more than a couple of years, to a level that sustains government spending at FDR-levels in perpetuity and then you can make the case that it's the tax-rates that are "unsustainable" and not the level of spending. Until then, go back to surgically attaching your lips to the chocolate messiah's hindquarters and leave the rest of us alone.
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The preservation of liberty depends upon the intellectual and moral character of the people. As long as knowledge and virtue are diffused generally among the body of a nation it is impossible they should be enslaved. - John Adams
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2661
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
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So they are all going to lie and point fingers and at the end of the day, nothing constructive will be accomplished and they will reach a deal without addressing any structural issues.
Europe is doing the swirl down the toilet bowl and we will be equally financially reckless just so the Euro does not get a competitive edge on us. Downgrade in 3,2,1... Just pull up a lawn chair and in 4 years you can try at the ballot box again to make changes. How many doublings do we have left?
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Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money!
Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro.
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Gen_maximus57
Posts: 4580
Incept: 2007-09-03
Tampa
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100% disagree on the payroll tax cut, that was the most fair thing to do for the common working man
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Genesis
Posts: 130747
Incept: 2007-06-26
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No it's not Gen_Maximus; by law Social Security cannot run in deficit. That Payroll Tax Cut has pulled forward the day of that event horizon to roughly 2019, and when it occurs benefits will instantly be cut somewhere around 30-35%.
That "tax cut" is in fact the worst sort of butt****ing you can imagine as the mandate to offset is in the original law and is entirely automatic.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Striker754
Posts: 671
Incept: 2009-07-09
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@gen_maximus....Yep. Why increase taxes? We get taxed enough already. It all goes into one pot, so it doesn't matter what the tax says on it. No more taxes. If that means the bus goes over the cliff because no one wants to cut spending, let's do it.
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Xqqme
Posts: 626
Incept: 2009-01-09
Ohio
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Fair? Fair? There's that word again. Like USA Today says the Republican plan does not meet the 'fairness' level. What is fair for you may not be fair for me. The difference is that I can determine what my level of fairness will be. This kubuki dance is getting tiresome. "Hit the gas, Thelma!" I'm ready!
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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Common working man... ****
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Striker754
Posts: 671
Incept: 2009-07-09
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RE: SS benefit cuts. The past few years should have been a sign that laws can and will change. If we reach 2019 and benefits are scheduled to be chopped by that much simply because SS is running a deficit, you can bet they will change it.
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Genesis
Posts: 130747
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Doing so would prompt immediate ratings downgrades (and lots of them) because that would STRUCTURALLY embed the Social Security deficit, which would be a permanent ~$250 billion or so addition.
That ain't gonna happen kids. You'll get ****ed instead.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Swampwoman
Posts: 372
Incept: 2009-12-06
NE Florida
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If Washington D.C. thinks they can raise taxes to infinity (and beyond!), they better think again. Federal taxes, state taxes, local taxes, gas taxes....when the government takes more of the money you earned than you do, it is time to opt out.
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“A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody." --Thomas Paine
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Ashizashiz
Posts: 26
Incept: 2009-06-09
Vermont
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Hi Karl - Tried emailing, but it bounced. ANYWAY....I teach high school economics. The class read excerpts from LEVERAGE (as well as pieces from other contemporary thinkers - Warren Mosler, "Tyler Durden", Yves Smith, Steve Keen, Nicole Foss, Krugman, etc.) I know that the students in my class would love to ask you some questions. They're a bright group. Wondering if we could set up a Skype session sometime in January?
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Tman2
Posts: 139
Incept: 2008-10-31
Illinois
Online
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Swampwoman +1
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Genesis
Posts: 130747
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Ashi: Certainly. Will PM you here (look to the top right)
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Ashizashiz
Posts: 26
Incept: 2009-06-09
Vermont
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Thanks! (Not sure what "PM" means, however.)
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Gen_maximus57
Posts: 4580
Incept: 2007-09-03
Tampa
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KD, I do understand what you are saying but at the same time I prefer to keep more of my money now as its going to get iinflated away anyways
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Anti
Posts: 4295
Incept: 2007-10-09
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Peter wrote..including by having it reflect the growing gap in life expectancy by income and education This is what caught my attention. I can see it now, white people work longer, higher incomes get even less payout, minorities collect younger. They'll sell it to the vote-for-a-livings as fair. Reparations by another name.
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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We should get it over with and do reparations. The money would be right back where it started within three years.
Disclosure: I just bought a tattoo parlor.
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Cvdoc
Posts: 163
Incept: 2009-06-11
Washington, DC
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@Mortgageguyum. Do you implant RFID chips. Seems like a potential growth industry.
The Republocrats are two sides of the same coin. Taxes will go up without any cuts in entitlement spending. Didn't matter who won the election. We all know this.
I think gold is dropping so those in the know can load up before the end of the year. Earning statements looks poor. Layoffs increasing. Citigroup laying off 11K. Arggh
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Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. Sallust
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Dazedncornfused
Posts: 312
Incept: 2010-10-13
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I'll add to the bullet points
* Allow health (and auto) insurance purchases across state lines. Illinois requires astonishingly expensive invitro fertilization coverage, that really jacks up rates. Michigan requires chiropractor coverage, foo on that. I just want the old style catastrophic coverage without all the social engineering and wellness fringes, can't buy it. Interstate auto insurance coverage would of course kill Michigan's no-fault insurance. This change would be profound.
*Allow full deductibility of health insurance for individuals, not just corporate and unionized employees.
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Donethat
Posts: 771
Incept: 2009-04-22
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The biggest Ponzi is medical industrial, with 70 percent of medicaid going to elderly or disabled, 280 billion a year Federal for long term care. Another 78 billion a year for medicaid elderly care.
The 21st century poor house has become temperature controlled private rooms, 3 meals a day and on site nursing.
It wouldn't be so bad, lot of people need work, to take care of the infirm, but we have the FIRE, the for profit "care homes", the non profit "care homes" with 6 figure salaries, and the medical/drug tick birds riding this horse and us into a deep hole in the ground.
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Mannfm11
Posts: 3545
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
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One way to fix Medicare is to raise the deductible on a graded basis according to income. The next to nothing stops at $20K a year. Get these government employee pension people to start paying large deductibles and they will get the Democrats attention.
The cut in social security taxes was one of the more absurd ideas to come along. They had run out of freebies to stuff in the stockings of the under $30K crowd, so they decided to loot his retirement fund. It wasn't a fair cut for the lower income working guy because he is already getting about double on the plan as it is.
The real truth is the compound factor is eating the economy. One way to get out of this is to have real cuts instead of cuts in the compound. There are liars, damn liars and politicians. They should hit all these guys with a baseball bat, especially the president, when they mention the words spending cut. I have never seen Obama tell anything close to the total truth.
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Ponzi_unit
Posts: 8112
Incept: 2007-09-05
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Ashizashiz, PM means Private Message.
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Taxpayers witnessed a crime and stayed around long enough to get charged with it.
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Ladyliberty
Posts: 100
Incept: 2012-05-08
Wisconsin
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Donethat
Posts: 771
Incept: 2009-04-22
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Saying someone is an obama crony is like saying someone is a bankster crony, because obama is OWNED by Jamie Dimon and friends. Ex OMB, Obamacare Czar Orszag works for Citigroup with Obama crony Rubin. Writes a column for Bloomberg. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07....That being said, I saw him on the TV 2 weeks ago talking about the 2012 alternative minimum tax that will affect about 26 to 33 million 2012 returns. This Peterson (i.e. the guy who just paid Greenspan and Volker to pontificate with him on TV, who dodged taxes by donating to his own private charity ) financed organization, "The committee for a responsible budget". http://crfb.org/blogs/administrative-sid....Interesting these guys are part of the media circus tooting the "reduce the itemized deductions" horn. If I was to guess, if these are the fixers, this is the upcoming fix.
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