Peter Orszag AGAIN Conflates
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Posted 2012-12-05 08:05
by Karl Denninger
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Peter Orszag AGAIN Conflates
 

If you want to know why we're not making progress on the so-called "fiscal cliff" you need only look at the rhetoric coming from alleged "experts" who the media trumpets due to their previous positions in various administrations.  Peter Orszag is one of those.

Although it isn’t yet time to panic about the fiscal cliff, negotiations so far aren’t exactly going well. The Republicans are committing themselves to an unsustainable principle of no marginal tax-rate increases whatsoever. And the Democrats are failing to seize the moment to make progressive reforms to Medicare and Social Security.

Now watch the birdie, because....

To date, Barack Obama’s administration has basically just repeated its previous budget proposals for Medicare, which are perfectly fine and desirable as far as they go.

Bullcrap.  Obama has done exactly nothing to solve this problem.  Yet it, along with defense, is where virtually the entire budget problem lies.

To go further, the Center for American Progress recently convened a group of health policy experts (including me), which put forward a dozen proposals to slow the growth of health costs over the coming decades. Although these changes don’t generate significant “scoreable” savings because their effects are too uncertain for the Congressional Budget Office to fully evaluate, they may well have a larger impact on our long-term fiscal future than anything else that could possibly be contained in the budget deal.

Peter continues to dissemble with:

On Social Security, as I have previously argued, the Democrats, while they still control the White House and the Senate, should want to lock in the victory they have already won over the idea of keeping private accounts out of Social Security. Plus, as Peter Diamond and I have laid out, it’s possible to restore the program’s long-term solvency while also making it fairer -- including by having it reflect the growing gap in life expectancy by income and education. Finally, and perhaps most important, Social Security reform can be phased in gradually, thereby minimizing the damage to the labor market from too much austerity too soon.

Social Security is mostly a non-issue, but for the intentional destruction of its funding base with the payroll tax cut.  That must be rescinded now.  With it rescinded a relatively modest set of changes, specifically indexing the full benefit age to longevity and changing the COLA formula to CPI instead of the wage index, bring the system close enough to balance over the next 75 years that standing alone it becomes a non-event.

But Peter, along with the rest of the people on the Hill and the various commentators on left and right, intentionally take this part of the problem, which is simple and easily-fixed, and conflate it with Medicare and Medicaid, which can only be fixed by stuffing a major lobbying force into the hole and killing it -- the medical industry and their cadre of harpies. 

But neither Peter or anyone else wants to address the cause of the medical cost escalation, which is almost entirely:

  • Cost-shifting cross-border, which results in the United States effectively funding every advanced treatment modality's research and development, which the rest of the world then gets to use for reproduction cost.  This is why scorpion antivenon costs $100 a dose in Mexico and $14,000 a dose here in the United States; we allow restricted supply and testing modalities that drive this sort of insane cost escalation.  The converse is why drugs like Viagra cost $2 in Canada and $20 here; we allow other nations to demand (and get) advanced therapies at reproduction cost and they threaten to break patents if we refuse.  Rather than tell them "if you break the patents then there will be no development of these treatments at all since we will not permit you to soak us for those costs" we instead knuckle under to the pharamaceutical industry.

  • Cost-shifting inside the United States; laws such as "CON" laws in the states and EMTALA drive an effectively-infinite demand for medical care untempered by price.  With the feedback mechanism of both price and consequence for personal choice, whether it be drug abuse or simply too much pie-hole stuffing and too little movement (read: you're fat!) the underlying reality is that inflating the cost of having a baby from 1963 to today by the CPI should result in a price under $1,000.  Instead it's 10 times that much.  The Okahoma Surgical Center proves that this is not due to the cost of providing the service, in the main -- it's about the cost-shifting and monopoly protections, as their charges for common identical procedures are 1/5th that of "customary and ordinary" in traditional hospitals! 

You can't "bend" this cost curve.  You have to destroy these distortions and you must do it now, because the damage being done by them is both cumulative in the form of debt but in addition it is literally eating the Federal Budget whole!  Medical spending by the Federal Government has gone from $53 billion in 1980 to approximately $850 billion last year.  There is no "gradual" way to deal with this -- you have to slam the medical industry's fingers in the door and then chop the protruding pieces off or the theft will continue until the budget blows up and so does the government.

As Rep. Hoyer said on CNBS this morning "this is a math problem."  Indeed it is, but we will get exactly nowhere addressing it until we put the parts of the budget that actually are driving the problem on the table and address them.

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Obama's Hack wrote..
Republicans are committing themselves to an unsustainable principle of no marginal tax-rate increases whatsoever.


Holy argument by assertion, Batman. What's "unsustainable", you Barry Bummlicker, is government spending 42% of GDP while taxing at about 24% of GDP.

Now, you tell me how you raise taxes in the US, which have never, ever been more than 30% or so of US GDP (including ALL fed, state and local taxes) for more than a couple of years, to a level that sustains government spending at FDR-levels in perpetuity and then you can make the case that it's the tax-rates that are "unsustainable" and not the level of spending.

Until then, go back to surgically attaching your lips to the chocolate messiah's hindquarters and leave the rest of us alone.

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So they are all going to lie and point fingers and at the end of the day, nothing constructive will be accomplished and they will reach a deal without addressing any structural issues.

Europe is doing the swirl down the toilet bowl and we will be equally financially reckless just so the Euro does not get a competitive edge on us. Downgrade in 3,2,1... Just pull up a lawn chair and in 4 years you can try at the ballot box again to make changes. How many doublings do we have left?

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100% disagree on the payroll tax cut, that was the most fair thing to do for the common working man
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No it's not Gen_Maximus; by law Social Security cannot run in deficit. That Payroll Tax Cut has pulled forward the day of that event horizon to roughly 2019, and when it occurs benefits will instantly be cut somewhere around 30-35%.

That "tax cut" is in fact the worst sort of butt****ing you can imagine as the mandate to offset is in the original law and is entirely automatic.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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@gen_maximus....Yep. Why increase taxes? We get taxed enough already. It all goes into one pot, so it doesn't matter what the tax says on it. No more taxes. If that means the bus goes over the cliff because no one wants to cut spending, let's do it.
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Fair? Fair? There's that word again. Like USA Today says the Republican plan does not meet the 'fairness' level. What is fair for you may not be fair for me. The difference is that I can determine what my level of fairness will be.
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RE: SS benefit cuts. The past few years should have been a sign that laws can and will change. If we reach 2019 and benefits are scheduled to be chopped by that much simply because SS is running a deficit, you can bet they will change it.
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Doing so would prompt immediate ratings downgrades (and lots of them) because that would STRUCTURALLY embed the Social Security deficit, which would be a permanent ~$250 billion or so addition.

That ain't gonna happen kids. You'll get ****ed instead.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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If Washington D.C. thinks they can raise taxes to infinity (and beyond!), they better think again. Federal taxes, state taxes, local taxes, gas taxes....when the government takes more of the money you earned than you do, it is time to opt out.

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Hi Karl - Tried emailing, but it bounced. ANYWAY....I teach high school economics. The class read excerpts from LEVERAGE (as well as pieces from other contemporary thinkers - Warren Mosler, "Tyler Durden", Yves Smith, Steve Keen, Nicole Foss, Krugman, etc.) I know that the students in my class would love to ask you some questions. They're a bright group. Wondering if we could set up a Skype session sometime in January?
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Ashi: Certainly. Will PM you here (look to the top right)

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Thanks! (Not sure what "PM" means, however.)
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KD, I do understand what you are saying but at the same time I prefer to keep more of my money now as its going to get iinflated away anyways
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Peter wrote..
including by having it reflect the growing gap in life expectancy by income and education


This is what caught my attention. I can see it now, white people work longer, higher incomes get even less payout, minorities collect younger. They'll sell it to the vote-for-a-livings as fair. Reparations by another name.

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We should get it over with and do reparations. The money would be right back where it started within three years.

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@Mortgageguyum. Do you implant RFID chips. Seems like a potential growth industry.

The Republocrats are two sides of the same coin. Taxes will go up without any cuts in entitlement spending. Didn't matter who won the election. We all know this.

I think gold is dropping so those in the know can load up before the end of the year. Earning statements looks poor. Layoffs increasing. Citigroup laying off 11K. Arggh

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I'll add to the bullet points

* Allow health (and auto) insurance purchases across state lines. Illinois requires astonishingly expensive invitro fertilization coverage, that really jacks up rates. Michigan requires chiropractor coverage, foo on that. I just want the old style catastrophic coverage without all the social engineering and wellness fringes, can't buy it. Interstate auto insurance coverage would of course kill Michigan's no-fault insurance. This change would be profound.

*Allow full deductibility of health insurance for individuals, not just corporate and unionized employees.

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The biggest Ponzi is medical industrial, with 70 percent of medicaid going to elderly or disabled, 280 billion a year Federal for long term care. Another 78 billion a year for medicaid elderly care.

The 21st century poor house has become temperature controlled private rooms, 3 meals a day and on site nursing.

It wouldn't be so bad, lot of people need work, to take care of the infirm, but we have the FIRE, the for profit "care homes", the non profit "care homes" with 6 figure salaries, and the medical/drug tick birds riding this horse and us into a deep hole in the ground.
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One way to fix Medicare is to raise the deductible on a graded basis according to income. The next to nothing stops at $20K a year. Get these government employee pension people to start paying large deductibles and they will get the Democrats attention.

The cut in social security taxes was one of the more absurd ideas to come along. They had run out of freebies to stuff in the stockings of the under $30K crowd, so they decided to loot his retirement fund. It wasn't a fair cut for the lower income working guy because he is already getting about double on the plan as it is.

The real truth is the compound factor is eating the economy. One way to get out of this is to have real cuts instead of cuts in the compound. There are liars, damn liars and politicians. They should hit all these guys with a baseball bat, especially the president, when they mention the words spending cut. I have never seen Obama tell anything close to the total truth.

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Ashizashiz, PM means Private Message.

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Another obama crony

Corporate Crime, Russia, Peter Orszag and Getting Away with Murder

http://corporatecrimereporter.com/morgen....

Obama's Budget Has One Small, Missing Piece.... For $6.3 Trillion Dollars

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/obamas-....
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Saying someone is an obama crony is like saying someone is a bankster crony, because obama is OWNED by Jamie Dimon and friends.

Ex OMB, Obamacare Czar Orszag works for Citigroup with Obama crony Rubin. Writes a column for Bloomberg.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07....

That being said, I saw him on the TV 2 weeks ago talking about the 2012 alternative minimum tax that will affect about 26 to 33 million 2012 returns.

This Peterson (i.e. the guy who just paid Greenspan and Volker to pontificate with him on TV, who dodged taxes by donating to his own private charity ) financed organization, "The committee for a responsible budget".
http://crfb.org/blogs/administrative-sid....

Interesting these guys are part of the media circus tooting the "reduce the itemized deductions" horn.

If I was to guess, if these are the fixers, this is the upcoming fix.
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