The Constitution And Bill Of Rights: NOT "10 Suggestions"
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Posted 2012-11-28 08:46
by Karl Denninger
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The Constitution And Bill Of Rights: NOT "10 Suggestions"
 

There are many alleged Christians who treat the 10 Commandments as the "10 Suggestions", and as such it should not surprise anyone that the Constitution's 10 original Amendments, otherwise known as The Bill of Rights, are also treated as "10 Suggestions."

But they're not.

I, for one, am putting a stake in the ground -- over this line thou shalt not pass if any politician, political group or party wishes me to support, endorse, work for, contribute money to or otherwise be involved with them.

That's the issue of marriage.

The US Supreme Court is likely to issue some sort of ruling on DOMA, The Defense of Marriage Act, just another in a long line of unconstitutional laws.

Here's the argument raised by both sides:

“Of course, Congress has the right to define such a fundamental institution,” said Brian Brown, president of the Washington-based National Organization for Marriage, which opposes same-sex nuptials. “This is a question for the representatives of the people. Congress represents the people.”

Sorry, but no.

Congress is expressly limited to the powers granted to it under The Constitution.  That document is not one of exclusions, it is one of defined and limited powers.  If you cannot find an explicit delegation of power to do a specific thing in the Constitution, Congress lacks the power and authority to do it, irrespective of what the people want.

There is only one proper way for Congress to acquire a power it does not have -- amend the Constitution.  That is a difficult process on purpose as it explicitly protects the rights of all by making it extremely hard to accomplish, and therefore it is only something that can occur under fairly extreme circumstances, backed by huge supermajorities of the people.

This is how liberty flourishes.

Note that there are a few voices in the wildnerness, other than mine, on this issue putting forward what I argue is the only correct and Constitutional position:

The colloquy on same-sex marriage ignores the most compelling alternative: abolish civil marriage. The classic way for a diverse polity to resolve contentious issues with minimum strife is to decentralize and privatize those issues. A world without civil marriage would be a world in which everyone can pursue his or her own vision of marriage without imposing those views on others.

Abolishing civil marriage would ultimately be good for marriage by ending the government's legal monopoly defining the family. The resulting competition among alternative forms of marriage would strengthen the institution, just as competition among religions has made America a more religious society than societies with established churches.

Though not without its complications (including the problems of transition), abolishing civil marriage is the best alternative for our diverse society.

Edward A. Zelinsky
Benjamin N. Cardozo
School of Law
Yeshiva University
New York

The larger issue is that the Federal Government lacks the authority to define marriage.  It's not in the Constitution as a delegated federal power.  Period.

I have repeatedly argued exactly this point, but it seems that everyone loves their wedge issues.  So be it -- but I won't support it, and that's a non-negotiable position.  No, I will not "go along to get along", I will instead erect my middle finger in the direction of those who demand that I surrender principle and accede to racism and other forms of institutionalized discrimination.

The incessant pandering on the left, right, and so-called Libertarians (who are lying through their teeth -- anyone claiming they are Libertarian when they simultaneously demand to be able to initiate force against those who disagree with them on what "marriage" is declares their claim of being "Libertarian" as an outrageous perversion and abject fraud) is disgusting and un-American. 

These people -- all of them -- use our Constitution as toilet paper, just as surely as do those who abuse the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments.

Their arguments further intentionally disregard the history of civil marriage law, which clearly evidences intent as an enforcement tool for racism; the earliest civil marriage regulations in America were put into place to prevent intermarriage between white people and both blacks and native Americans.  These laws were continued through Reconstruction as a means of preventing former slaves from marrying white people.  These are facts, not suppositions, and even the most-trivial of research can find these laws and their specific statutory language, some of which are still on the books even though rendered inoperative by court decision.

(And incidentally, if you want to know why have "Gun Control", which began with The Gun Control Act of 1968, you need only look to The Civil Rights Act of 1964.  It was only when "those people" could own guns that suddenly we needed "gun control laws"; for the same reason I adamantly refuse to support political candidates who think there is "compromise" on "gun control" -- those laws, as with marriage laws, were intended and enacted for racist purpose.)

But that simply adds disgust and outrage to the fact that you cannot find in the Constitution authority for the Federal Government to "define" marriage or enforce any provision related to it; such a power was never delegated.  The 10th Amendment makes clear that whatever is not explicitly delegated to the Federal Government is not under Federal purview; it belongs to the states or the people individually

Yes, I understand that the 10th Amendment and indeed the entire Constitution is, today, honored more in the breach than the observance.  But two or more wrongs do not make a right and that someone has violated the law serially, notoriously and openly does not excuse continued abuse. 

Those who claim to be "liberty" advocates yet refuse to get the government the hell out of the people's bedrooms are Statists, not Liberty candidates or parties. 

Period.

So here is my line in the sand -- my stake in the ground.

Government has no right to define, privilege, disabuse, recognize or debar any consensual living arrangement among adults, irrespective of whether the justification is civil, religious or otherwise.   The only legitimate government role is in the provision of a place where people can adjudicate disputes between themselves in a civil format, commonly called "a courtroom", and where contractual matters, freely entered into, can be heard and allocation of damages, if any, can occur subject to public review and where such agreements must be adjudicated without prejudice irrespective of the parties thereto. 

In short if you want to get married, go see a Priest.

Any political group that wants my support, endorsement or effort, irrespective of who it is or what flag they wave, can conform to and advance this position or my response to their entreaty for my assistance, support, endorsement or money is and shall be most-easily expressed in two simple words:

Piss off.

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Agree. Government should not be in the bedroom. Or even play favorites with taxes and other entitlements.
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I bring this all the time but their only response is : yeah but what about taxes statuses and advantages of being married??

No more of these. Government out of the whole thing.

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I think that's impractical, given how many special provisions of federal and state law dealing with spouses there are out there, both in the tax codes and elsewhere.

What, atheists can't get married then?

States have plenary power including the right to define and sanction marriages in their state. Other states (and the feds) give full faith and credit to those marriages. DOMA is a statutory exception to this general rule.

I think DOMA is unconstitutional on several grounds. I do think the Obama administration should defend it in court, if only so it can be struck down and we can be done with it.

Churches can define "church marriage" how they see fit for their faithful. "Church marriage" and "civil marriage" are entirely different things and it is unfortunate that the same terminology is used.

The question is whether even state laws that prohibit same-sex marriage are unconstitutional based on equal protection grounds.

Ultimately, the best rule for civil marriage is "one per customer at a time, plumbing irrelevant," and I think that is where we will ultimately be.


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Genesis. Do you have any references that civil marriage was instituted to prevent intermarrying of the races?
I do not know if your statement is true or false, but it is not something a person should accept without question. This is not the first time you have made this statement, and not the first time I have asked for a reference.
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The entire Gay Marriage 'issue' is one of the best wedge issues there is for a couple of reasons.

- It divides the people down the middle
- The division is deeply emotional with religious organizations fueling it
- The entire argument assumes the Government has power it does not have

That last one is what gets lost in the argument, imho.
When did the Government get veto power on marriage? What law on the books does that?
Does the Government say that men can only register sports cars and women only SUVs and Vans?
The Government's role is to register unions by handing the parties a piece of paper and having them sign it.
It can also assist in the process for non-religious unions by providing a judge for the ceremony.

The Government, local or Federal, is not, and never should be, part of an approval process.
Just my opinion.
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"one per customer at a time, plumbing irrelevant,"

Huh? What difference does it make if a guy wants to live with 10 women (poor schmuck) or a woman wants to live with 10 guys?
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the best rule

Rule? There is only one rule, and only one right...the right not to be aggressed with the rule that you cannot be an aggressor against another. From that right stem all others...if somebody is not violating that right of yours, what business is it of anybody?
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States have plenary power including the right to define and sanction marriages in their state.

See above description of "right"..."there can be only one".

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I have repeatedly provided references and frankly I'm tired of doing other people's work for them. A cursory examination discloses the content of such laws on a historical basis.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Karl can you expand to include States rights?

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Exactly what are you looking for here Oldpool? States have the ability to define such a thing if they should so choose, but that doesn't mean I would support such a declaration -- only that the Constitution does not bar it. The State Constitution, however, must explicitly grant this power, and in most cases it does not.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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smiley

Whole-heartedly agree, good sir.


Ps - fee fi fo fum, I smells me a statist mo-ran! (sic)

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As I understand it, DOMA did two things: define marriage and codify that one state's definition cannot be imposed on other states. You have a cogent argument that congress has no right to define marriage. That's up to the states. If the states have the right to define it differently, then I don't see congress having overstepped its bounds to clarify that one state's definition needn't color the definition of any other state. DOMA opponents will try to get the Supreme Court to institute gay marriage nationwide on equal protection grounds, but I find that argument specious, given the much longer and more widespread history of polygamy - and state laws against polygamy have been found constitutional.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-misceg....
Remember miscegenation. Before, birth and baptism records were in the family bible or the church. As were marriages.

The Federal Government got involved a long time ago too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_a....
"In 1862, the United States Congress passed the Morrill Act, which prohibited plural marriage in the territories (including Utah) and dis-incorporated the church".

My take among Catholics is to point out that the Catholic definition of marriage (indissoluble) is not legally recognized in any of the 50 states and hasn't been for 4 decades. I say I'm for legalizing Roman Catholic Marriage, i.e. requiring and enforcing a marriage contract that makes divorce more difficult than getting rid of student loan debt. And other provisions as the church deems prudent. The law would include a clause saying the state shall not discriminate on the basis of the types of marriages that are or are not recognized, so Catholic adoption agencies could not be discriminated against for not placing children with Gay couples, but it works in reverse. The Church can say (George Wiegle got half of this), you can only be married in a church with a priest if you sign the contract. And invite already married couples to sign up as a sign of their fidelity - and renew their vows in a beautiful ceremony.

Protestants can write their views to make it wider or narrower. Atheists can have whatever contract they want. As can communes.

The contract can say "All medical information and decisions can be accessed and made on my behalf by my spouse if I am incapacitated". In effect add a durable power of attorney as part of the contract.

One small technical point about the courts - if someone dies without a will, the court should recognize the deceased's view of marriage and who is a spouse, and for children, they are like creditors to the estate so if not adult have a claim. But such decisions are already made - just that the state imposes its ideas on such.

Edit - States must recognize and enforce contracts made in other states. DOMA was a reaction to the states changing the definition, but it is much like when the first no-fault divorce law was passed, one spouse could move to that state and file for divorce there. Without DOMA it is a gray area - there are compacts so all states recognize things like drivers' licenses. But the solution is still for the state to be indifferent to what private contracts have been entered into. Then they don't have to worry about the definition.

Too much of what is God's is rendered unto Caesar.

(I have a similar libertarian paradox on abortion - Can I intervene to save a 3rd party from being murdered? Yes? Then if we can each define person-hood individually, I can define it so as to prevent the murder of an unborn baby by an abortionist, even if that person doesn't agree with my definition - you can't require me to respect his definition but not require him to respect mine - it cannot be resolved politically or individually but only through reason and science, neither you nor I are free to act on a belief that 2+2=5).

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Within 50 (probably fewer) years, there will be same-sex civil marriage in all 50 states. Polygamous civil marriage will be available in zero states.

People in polygamous living relationships should be left alone, absent welfare fraud.

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It'd be interesting to have an old-line Mormon group or Muslim group challenge state laws against polygamy on equal protection grounds.
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Not to be too critical here because I agree with you, but dont we have bigger fish to fry? WHy draw the line in the sand on marraige issues, its a wedge issue anyway. Are you telling me that if you had a candidate who knew how to fix the economy and was willing to do it, but did not want to change the marraige law you would not support them? If the answer is you still would not i think that would be very short sighted.

edit: I realize the underlying issue is important, but shouldnt we deal with that when we can?

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"Congress is expressly limited to the powers granted to it under The Constitution."

Oh, we're way, WAY past that and have been for quite some time. Congress used to be extremely careful to determine if bills were constitutional, but now take the position "pass it and let the courts decide." Trouble is, it takes a legal challenge to attract the attention of the courts and that takes money. So, bill after bill is passed and unless they hugely offend some moneyed group, they stand. The Constitution is now a mostly dead document.
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Not to be too critical here because I agree with you, but dont we have bigger fish to fry? WHy draw the line in the sand on marraige issues, its a wedge issue anyway. Are you telling me that if you had a candidate who knew how to fix the economy and was willing to do it, but did not want to change the marraige law you would not support them? If the answer is you still would not i think that would be very short sighted.

Nope, and here's why.

If they won't limit the Federal Power to that delineated in the Constitution on THIS issue they won't do it anywhere else either.

It's not multiple choice.

The political folks need people like me.

I do not need them, and I'm not moving my goalposts.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?

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Yet another issue where you are in complete agreement with Ron Paul. Sigh... :)

Well said

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http://reason.com/archives/2011/01/05/th....

The Constitution Is Dead
Long live the Constitution

Excerpt:

"Under what authority does government dictate the parameters of marriage, for instance? What in the Constitution allows Washington to prohibit the peaceful economic transaction between individuals—whether it be marijuana or anything else? (Alcohol prohibitionists had the decency to pass a new amendment.)"


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The State Constitution, however, must explicitly grant this power, and in most cases it does not.


Gen, are you talking about state legislatures that ban SSM through statute? As far as I can tell most of the states have banned it through the state amendment process, with Hawaii being the only one to grant the legislature authority to ban it.

Do you consider a state amendment an explicit grant of this power from the people to their state?

The following 30 states have banned SSM (not necessarily Civil Unions) by state constitutional amendment:
Alaska
Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Wisconsin

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Just to be clear, nothing in my previous post should be considered a defense of the federal DOMA as no federal amendment has been passed. I just wanted clarification on state authority.

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A State that has formally adopted a Constitutional Amendment via public vote has complied with the requirement of a Constitutional Republic to address this issue via lawful means.

One that has done so via legislative act has not, as a law that enacts a power not explicitly delegated to a unit of government first via Constitutional Process is void ab-initio.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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I take it from your bolded position statement that you would also object to all laws regarding such libertine behavior as bigamy? Dear Lord, the billionaires would all have harems.

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Amen again.

"If they won't limit the Federal Power to that delineated in the Constitution on THIS issue they won't do it anywhere else either"".

To use a parallel from LoTR, they are arguing on whether to give the ring to Boromir, Saruman, or someone else just so Sauron doesn't get it. They don't get that using the ring turns you into Sauron.

You are either for a return to the Constitution in its original intent and the amendment process if you want to change something, or you are for this fuzzy view where words don't really mean what they say, an expansive view of federal power (unless the constitution specifically said "you cannot define or regulate marriage", it is ok to do so). That a farmer grinding grain he produced on his own land in his own home has a "butterfly effect" on interstate commerce, so if you breathe we can do anything.

You are either for the Rule of Law - the written law and the clear intent, and enforcing it equally across all strata of society and persons, or are for the rule of Man and whomever he happens to be and whatever his current whim is.

There is no in-between or compromise possible. You cannot be "a little bit" pregnant.

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