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Vitchilo
Posts: 4625
Incept: 2011-04-27
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I know what will fix the problem!! More money for schools!!
/this is what most parents believe
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken
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Iou
Posts: 1027
Incept: 2009-03-16
The Twilight Zone
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It's for the children...
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"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."- Frédéric Bastiat
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Clintb350
Posts: 1454
Incept: 2008-01-19
Southern AZ
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Hey, I was one of the early New Math students starting in 3rd grade in the 60s. Yellow softcover books from Harvard University Press full of set theory and plane geometry concepts. Went on to Calculus in High School, and a BS in Physics. Only a couple of classes in each grade were on this track, and I remember being in Calculus class with those same kids. We might have been the smart kid classes though.
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Bagbalm
Posts: 4262
Incept: 2009-03-19
Just North of Detroit
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Well at least they are not assembling jet engines or designing bridges...The failures will be damaging and destroy quality of life but not randomly kill a few hundred strangers at a time.
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Randy123
Posts: 5785
Incept: 2008-09-24
Earth
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Sickening.
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China is the Enemy. Wake Up.
New Normal. Same As The Old Awful.
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Thesev
Posts: 1383
Incept: 2007-10-30
Louisiana
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Yes Bagbalm, but those they are teaching MAY be doing those things. And even if they don't, they'll still likely be driving busses and taxis, subways, even multi-ton garbage trucks. It all links in somehow. 
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The reason the republic isn't working is that it's being run as a democracy.
It doesn't matter who you are, or who you Think you are, the Math is Going to Win.
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Goforbroke
Posts: 5348
Incept: 2007-11-30
Just call me 'Comrade'
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http://www.marionstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/....Quote:Thousands of Ohio third-graders face being held back in school if they can't improve their reading proficiency by year's end -- and the problem could be ven worse next year. Schools recently received the results from the fall Ohio Achievement Assessments. A CentralOhio.com examination of several city districts cross the state showsup to half of the third-graders are not yet proficient in reading.
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The state's third-grade reading guarantee requires students to meet certain proficiency levels on reading tests to advance to the fourth grade.
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If nothing else, the debate over how to implement the law is sure to spur a battle over school funding during the legislature's debate on the sate budget next year.
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We have met the enemy and it is us. -- Pogo
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Crzymorse
Posts: 1195
Incept: 2010-06-25
Maryland
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I know a couple people from NE china. As kids they were banished from public school (grade school and high school) because their parents were political dissidents. As it turns out they wound up being very successful (scored in the top 1% for university acceptance) and many are high level business, academic and medical professionals. This will be the one academic study that will never be done as it runs completely counter to our understanding of how people learn and motivate themselves.
Higher education has convinced the masses that math and science are the most important subjects for the future round of jobs (including many on this board) and they are mostly likely wrong. Math is increasingly a computer processing function and science is going the same way.
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Mrbill
Posts: 7857
Incept: 2008-10-19
North Carolina
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By having teachers that never passed the test actually teach for 15 years, this shows:
- The test doesn't measure anything useful
- No one gets fired for being incompetent
Damns the whole crazy system either way.
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Jonesapple10
Posts: 379
Incept: 2010-11-09
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Despite your many blogs on teachers, there are some good ones. My wife does happen to be an exceptional teacher. No, I don't just say it to make it true, I measure it by the performance of her students who consistently score better than they did the previous year. The standardized test has it flaws big time (like basically a curriculum designed around taking those tests only). But the fact is her kids do better - and not just on tests. I've seen the letters from parents, I've heard the phone calls, so maybe every once in awhile recognize that some teachers actually take their job seriously.
Oh and she is one of the few (if not only one) who said NO THANKS to the "union" because she recognized that the $40/check dues are a total waste of money.
Also, very few students receive the highest grades (i.e. a 5 or a 6) on those tests, so they don't exactly say all the students are exceptional.
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Randy123
Posts: 5785
Incept: 2008-09-24
Earth
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The subject specific tests do in fact measure overall aptitude in the subject area. In fact, the history test has the highest number to pass of any of the Praxis tests. I knew a girl who tried 3 times to pass it and finally gave up on becoming a teacher b/c of it. Now the elementary ed one could be passed by any high school grad, I would hope. However, passing the test doesn't mean you will get and or hold onto a job.
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China is the Enemy. Wake Up.
New Normal. Same As The Old Awful.
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Jonesapple10
Posts: 379
Incept: 2010-11-09
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Goforbroke: I bet there is not one mention in that article about parents actually taking an involvement in their kids life - maybe like reading to them, helping them with homework, conferencing with the teachers. Everyone blames the teachers, yet somehow parents always get a pass. Yeah I know some of them are dumber than their third grade kids, but there are resources to help those students if pursued. The truth is, most of the parents are to lazy(oh yes I mean busy) to take an active role.
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Sean
Posts: 1766
Incept: 2009-04-21
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Quote:In some places firing people who should have never gotten their job is quite difficult; HR departments tend to be concerned about all sorts of things that go beyond job performance (like the color of someone's skin, for instance, and whether that person will claim "discrimination" and sue) all the time. Oh **** Karl, the stories I could regarding this!!!!!! The stories I could tell! I work for gov here in AZ. Like I said the stories I could tell regarding this.
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* I think Ann Barnhardt is more and more right. God help us!
* Progressives / Marxists / Communists are many things, STUPID and IMPATIENT are not two of them.
* A hot civil war is coming.
* And people wonder why I prep!
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Lowbeyond
Posts: 16930
Incept: 2008-02-11
CO aka West NJ/East CA
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A Nation of Systemic Intentional Fraud, that is the US.
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Maybe it was a birdy bread-bomber from the future?!
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Anti
Posts: 4298
Incept: 2007-10-09
Online
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Public education has not been about "education" since forced integration, at least.
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Rjsasko
Posts: 67
Incept: 2009-03-23
aurora, IL
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I'll bet the people hired to pass the teacher exams were home schooled.
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Mpilar
Posts: 5611
Incept: 2009-01-05
Nashville, TN
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Anti, I would say, public education hasn't been about education since the late 1800's, early 1900's when compulsory attendance laws started to crop up.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
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Uppity_peasant
Posts: 3113
Incept: 2009-06-26
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Several years after my mother retired as a teacher, she told me a story about her last week in the skool.
As the teachers were cleaning out their classrooms for the summer, they were throwing unneeded things away. In a hushed voice (as if she was afraid someone would hear), my mother told me that she snuck into one of the younger teachers' room, and saw in her wastebasket a stack of workbooks. She surreptitiously looked through the workbooks, and DIDN'T SEE ONE RED MARK of corrections.
She still couldn't believe, several years later, that the young teacher wasn't doing work that my mother took for granted as part of the job.
As a child growing up, our dining room table was always covered with several stacks of workbooks for various subjects. And lots of red pencils and pens. :-)
* This was in the mid-1980s.
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If it's true that "assault weapons" are "weapons of war" and don't belong on the streets of America, why do the police need them? Who are the police at war with?
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Bhami
Posts: 17
Incept: 2009-03-12
Salt Lake City, UT
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On a related note: this sort of corruption extends through all levels of our education system. Here is a Salt Lake Tribune story about keeping the money rolling in from plagiarizing Saudi ESL college students: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/552870.... . |
Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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Executing those who cheat on these tests might be a little extreme. Maybe ten years in the pokey with no chance of parole. I hesitate to suggest it being a federal crime, but the tests are tied to federal money, and as we know, the commerce clause now allows federalization of everything. I'd love to see the Teachers Union goons have to argue in favor of unpunished cheating.
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Sharon
Posts: 4352
Incept: 2008-02-10
Odessa, Missouri
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Public education mostly operates as a cash cow for the connected: The school districts have lots of money to spend on contracts of all kinds--mainly construction contracts, to be handed out to the politically connected. Then, of course, school constructions contracts are paid for by borrowing (school bond issues), so the banks that finance these projects also make millions over the life of the loan.
This system it a regular treasure-trove for local elites. The money flows and flows. Unfortunately, very little of this flow of money goes for actual education. My kids often took high school classes which had to be taught without a textbook--the absence of physics textbooks comes to mind. But they had a ****-ton of money to spend on construction.
The public schools are not about education at all, but about pouring the taxpayer's treasure into the laps of the connected.
Normally the public school systems employees, too, are also the politically connected, or, as I like to put it, people who are blowing somebody. This, it appears to me, is the chief qualification to be a teacher these days.
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Semper ubi sub ubi.
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Risingcream
Posts: 4407
Incept: 2007-09-07
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Sharon, I need to date a teacher then.
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Civilization...ancient and wicked. --Subotai
“The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success”
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Drb
Posts: 195
Incept: 2011-01-02
TX
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Risingcream -
I would suggest dating public school administrator and not teacher. In most states teachers are not overpaid and since they can not sign off on contracts, they do not participate in mutually lucrative bribery scams.
BTW here in TX I hear quite often about teachers promoting cheating on standardized tests. Their pay is linked to student performance on those tests.
And while I agree with 95% of what Gen wrote in his article, I also think that there are plenty students who simply can not be taught because they DO NOT WANT to be taught. If there is no input from drug-selling and American-idol watching parents, then chances of those kids actually learning something are almost 0 even with the best teachers.
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Genesis
Posts: 130779
Incept: 2007-06-26
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That's true BUT if the teachers would stop putting up with that **** from the administration and state political wonks it would STOP.
Why? Well what the **** are they going to do when the classrooms have NO TEACHERS in them?
That's the nature of a co-dependent abusive relationship -- BOTH PARTIES are consenting to what's going on.
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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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