Self-Inflicted Damage (Hostess And More)
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Posted 2012-11-21 16:38
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Self-Inflicted Damage (Hostess And More)
 

Hostess has received clearance from the bankruptcy judge to wind down operations; 18,000 people are losing thier jobs.  15,000 are being fired today and joining the ranks of the unemployed (that will produce a nice spike in the claims report.)

In a bit of irony, the judge's last name is "Drain."  As in "down the drain."

This failure is one of a plethora of similar business failures where declining revenues eventually ran into escalating or at best flat costs.  Such a situation eventually squeezes margins to the point that an operating profit is impossible.

The unions are a big part of this problem, but only a part.

The rest is found in the political process, and both "mainstream" parties along with the Libertarians share equal blame.  Their views on illegal immigrants who are hired because they're cheaper and so-called "free trade" that is really about oppressing people with slave-like working conditions and environmental destruction, enforced by thuggish governments and what they sell to you (and you lap up) is why this has happened.

When compulsion is available without recompense someone will eventually use it to get an advantage, and unfair labor practices, up to and including literal slavery, are as old as the Sun.  This should not surprise, since labor cost is a major part of virtually every business that builds a thing or provides a service and where the lion's share of cost resides the greatest reward for finding a way to cut it down to size is concurrently present.

We in America have spent more than 30 years stuffing our collective heads in the sand.  Ross Perot was right, but nobody wanted to hear it and as soon as he was no longer a contender for President everyone went back to wanting cheap products made "over there" without regard to how, at what labor cost or whether the people and their land, air and water were treated fairly -- or even had the ability to negotiate freely in exchange for their labor.

We still pound the so-called "free trade" drum loudly, even though it is nothing of the sort.  What we have today is literal enslavement of those in other lands through proxy.  We no longer bring over black people from Africa -- we instead hire companies to build "our stuff" in far-away lands and let them do what they want.  Our so-called "principles" when it comes to fair treatment and environmental destruction only apply here, you see, where it's highly visible.  Over there, especially when the people there look different than we do here, it doesn't matter so much -- or at all.

But this belies the second part of the problem, which is that in order to buy the goods and services one must have an income.  When the labor value is $0.20/hour then so is the labor's imputed value in the local economy here, and nobody can survive on that.  So we cheat once again; we expand the so-called "social safety net" but since taxing someone and then giving them back their own money is a circle jerk and doesn't actually help anyone we instead run fiscal deficits which are then recycled over to the surplus nations where the slavery is taking place.

This, however, is also unsustainable, because it relies on an ever-larger exponential flow and there is no such thing as a permanently-stable and sustainable exponential growth function.  Ever.  Mathematics dictate that outcome, not politics.

The solution was laid forth in our Constitution and flows from First Principles, if you actually have any.  Simply put, one owns one's own person and this is where the first declarative statement of rights in the Declaration of Independence flows from:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Of course if you actually hold this principle to be true then it matters not where the person is.  Whether that person is in China, India, Sub-Saharan Africa or right here in the United States makes absolutely no difference at all.  All are endowed with the same rights and we do not have the right to trample upon them irrespective of where the person is.

This does not give us license to invade foreign lands where corrupt practices reign when it comes to labor, where pollution is rampant and where thuggish governments suppress dissent, organization and expression. 

But it does give us not only license but indeed an ethical and moral mandate to prohibit the exploitation of those people for pecuniary benefit where our laws can and do reach -- specifically, within our nation.

The common word for redress of this abuse is "Tariff."  

By rendering abusive labor practices unprofitable two purposes are served.  First, the financial motivation to engage in such conduct is destroyed.  Second, should the conduct continue anyway because the actor is not motivated purely by greed but also simply enjoys the abuse of power he has arrogated to himself then the tariff covers the expense of those displaced workers here in the United States, removing the budget deficits that would otherwise be caused along with the trade imbalance flows that distort equity, credit and foreign exchange markets.

Hostess is just the latest in a long line of object lessons on this point; as I put forward in Leverage the issue here is not one of application but simply one of political will.  Our people have been sold on the premise that all will be ok with the cheap garbage from Mexico and China, irrespective of how it's produced.

That, my friends, was and is a lie.

As you enjoy your turkey this Thanksgiving make sure you remember that it is precisely our "open border" and "open trade" policies, all of which encourage and explicitly permit the oppression of those who either don't look like us or are attempting to flee even worse conditions that have led to the destruction of these 18,000 jobs along with millions more.  Remember that these labor practices are not entirely and sometimes not at all voluntary; coercion is always involved or these wild disparities in cost would not exist and neither would the alleged "benefit" of all this overseas production with its attendant shipping costs.

Or you can just eat your turkey and forget about all that -- after all, the people being screwed are just a bunch of far-away "slanty-eyed beasts" -- not actual humans with the same unalienable rights as you and I.

I hope you sleep well this evening.

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Sandor
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Um. I will sleep well this evening.

Anyone that saw Ross Perot had plenty of time to prepare.

Common sense, really.

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Wait, I thought trade tariffs were part of the problem here, in particular tariffs on sugar that the US places to protect Florida sugar growers. If the US government jacks up your input prices on your basic ingredients, you may have trouble making you price points. We have lost jobs in the past because US candy companies cannot compete. Some moved to Canada where they could get cheaper sugar rather than pay the tariff laden US price.


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Good ticker, Karl. It gives the lie to those who claim that free-market capitalism is immoral.

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I've long realized that the global economic system had not given up slavery.
Thank for highlighting the problem so well.
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Well Drench, when you realize that you are food, your ****ed.

YMMV.
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Reese's Cups are now manufactured in Mexico. Surprised me...I love America and Reese's Cups.

What is more American than a Reese Cup?

The vast majority of candy lovers don't give a wink where their fix is manufactured.

Well, you should. Do you honestly think that Mexico gives a damn about your health?

The FDA certainly doesn't. All extraneous countries get a pass from the U.S.A.

What the hell is wrong with our government? Holding our entrepreneur citizens to a higher
standard than they do for importing business entities?

This is the world government and harmonized trade syndrome in sync with a one world synchronization.

Wait for it...
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Anyone here who has been involved in world trade will recognize the term "Harmonized Trade".

It's all about duties and how much one country is willing to pay to do business in the other country.

Trade is not patriotic...it's just bizness.
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Good ticker. Not your usual holiday cheer, but truthful.

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Karl wrote..
Or you can just eat your turkey and forget about all that -- after all, the people being screwed are just a bunch of far-way "slanty-eyed beasts" -- not actual humans with the same unalienable rights as you and I.


It ain't like that. It's more like, "well, we don't even know what a tariff is, and we've never been to China." At least in my family. Nobody's aware there's even a problem in the first place, except maybe for those in the manufacturing space who've been laid off precisely because of this policy.

All you can do is keep Tickering, and when the chickens come home to roost, at least we can hold up the "I Told You So" flag, so maybe them folks will finally realize what just happened. Can't learn from history if ya keep repeating it, I guess.

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Most of the world has gone to border adjusted value added taxes, which function like tariffs, but are apparently exempt from "free-trade" agreements. Exports are not taxed, and imports are. I used to order Triumph motorcycle parts from Norman Hyde in Britain. The price sheet had separate columns for vat and non-vat customers. I could buy those parts for a lot cheaper than could the local Brits. I never ordered much. Now I know how the system works, and we were far better off with tariffs.
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15,000 are being fired today and joining the ranks of the unemployed (that will produce a nice spike in the claims report.)

Nah, it's all because of Hurricane Sandy. smiley
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Genesis wrote..
By rendering abusive labor practices unprofitable two purposes are served. First, the financial motivation to engage in such conduct is destroyed. Second, should the conduct continue anyway because the actor is not motivated purely by greed but also simply enjoys the abuse of power he has arrogated to himself then the tariff covers the expense of those displaced workers here in the United States, removing the budget deficits that would otherwise be caused along with the trade imbalance flows that distort equity, credit and foreign exchange markets.

This is very isolationist. The US becomes an island. We have no more cheap electronics and other stuff, prices go up dramatically, US residents can no longer afford the latest consumer discretionary stuff, and the technology to make the stuff has already left our borders. The solution would be to rule the world and force everyone else to adhere to our labor and environmental standards, lowering everyone's standrard of living. I guess our standard of living is going to cliff dive anyway due to excessive debt, go long lead, brass, and tubular steel...
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Clintb350 wrote..
This is very isolationist. The US becomes an island


Not quite. You can still buy without tariffs, from countries that have salaries and environmental standards more or less on the same level... as in, Germany and the rest of western EU, Canada, Japan etc.

Yes, the prices would go up. But when it doesn't pay to outsource industry, at least some jobs would be back (Of course, you would have to bring laws, taxes, unions etc within reasonable limits so companies can make a profit). Then those people who got jobs could buy stuff, which triggers the next cycle.

Of course, there would be a lot of blood, sweat and tears until the economy builds up to what it was a few decades ago, this is to be expected - it was ruined for decades, it can't be fixed overnight, and the bill has to be paid. The only question is if you want to pay a large bill now or a next-to-impossible bill later.

The problem, aside from ethics (one could even argue that outsourcing gives more jobs there, and thus helps those people) is that there is no way for a worker here to compete with someone who works for 20 cents an hour, sleeps in dorms in a factory and lives in conditions that cause them to suicide.
Even if a worker here wanted to accept such a salary, he couldn't even feed himself and his children, much less buy clothes, have a place to live etc.

So, the situation is impossible, and therefore it has to change, either it will change voluntarily, in a planned way, or it will explode in everyone's face.
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Making the statement that "our standard of living" would be lowered implies having a life objective or goal against which that can be measured.

What is the meaning of life? Only each one of us can answer that for ourselves.

I would posit that for some folks, having all of the plastic **** and electronics gizmos does not improve their standard of living in light of their own goals and objectives.

I, for one, would gladly take the biggest sledgehammer in the world and destroy all of my family's electronic devices, which in my mind are for the most part hugely distracting. The now-freed-up-time would be available for them to learn how to do real stuff in a real world, to gain a sense of accomplishment/mastery and self-confidence, and as a result, to develop increased peace of mind by knowing that they have increased control over their own lives and fates. Not to mention the time which would be available for developing real, reciprocal, long-term look-them-in-the-eye relationships with real human beings.

But, that's just me.

For the last 5 years I have told my family that I want nothing ... nothing ... for Christmas. Unfortunately, no one listened. Fortunately, they saved all of the receipts so I could wait in the return lines which were probably the same length of the lines in which they waited to purchase the stuff originally.

It was interesting while it lasted. It's time to get back to basics.

Happy Thanksgiving to all. :-)

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If you don't produce solutions, you will die...as a country.

Is America worth fighting for? Not sure...

Tell me why America is worth fighting for...

America is not what your daddy and mommy said it was all about.

They are regurgitating the same bull**** that they have passed down to your wimpy asses...

As long as you wimps fall in line with your parents wishes, you will reap their iniquities...

Divorce yourselves from your parents...it's high time.

In other words...get over it.




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Yes! Best blog bost in a while.

Happy Thanksgiving!
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Many thanks to Karl and all the posters here. Reading you guys keeps me sane.

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Good One.

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Wrong,

Unions are 100% to blame.

-TF Meme

And those Reese Cups must be Hershey's, they shut their Smith's Falls, ON plant a few years back and shifted all the production to Mexicoke...or it is just one of their competitors following suit.

Indeed, we now export jobs to slaves rather than import slaves to jobs...although temporary workers permits are the rage up here and we've apparently got 400k in country at any given time! In B.C. at a Chinese coal mine the latest temps were 200 Chinese coal miners, it got noticed and is under .gov investigation but I'll bet only reluctantly. Imagine, we are a nation of miners, hewers of wood and water and yet we still allow slaves owners to practice slavery when the job is geographically impossible to outsource...and when caught they claim we have no skilled Canadian workers willing to do the job!

Time for war, **** it all.

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Unions aren't 100% to blame, but when unions refuse to look at reality (ie declining revenue with rapidly rise costs or at best flat cost), the choices are to 1) move overseas (not easy to move in the US with some union laws) 2) shut down all together 3) come up with some ingenious ideas/products to save the company. FWIW its not really there labor rate what was completely out of whack as their pensions and healthcare.

Lots of other reasons are to blame - global trade system, government bureaucracy, regulations, taxes, legal system, sh!tty management, dumb investors and creditors, etc. Most of the other players will eventually check into reality or take their losses on the chin--unions typically have their head in the sand approach.

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Interesting that a former Wal-Mart BOD member is our secretary of state.
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Shame no one listened to James Goldsmith back in 1994 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQrz8F0d....
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I'm not giving back everything/anything earned/gained/saved because of the policies of the last 30+ years... nor is anyone else posting...
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