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| Fisher Gets It Half Right (Dallas Fed Speech) in forum [Market-Ticker]
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Hogman
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Incept: 2008-02-18
Derby City, USA
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dig the analogy 
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Drkshapiro
Posts: 632
Incept: 2012-09-12
Southern CA
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I found this quote of Fisher's from Forbes a little while back. He knows what the problem is, that's why he gives these talks.
Fisher: “The governor of California is jogging with his dog along a nature trail. A coyote jumps out and attacks the governor’s dog, then bites the governor. The governor starts to intervene, but reflects upon the movie Bambi and then realizes he should stop because the coyote is only doing what is natural.
“He calls animal control. Animal control captures the coyote and bills the state $200 for testing it for diseases and $500 for relocating it. He calls a veterinarian. The vet collects the dead dog and bills the state $200 for testing it for diseases. The governor goes to the hospital and spends $3,500 getting checked for diseases from the coyote and getting his bite wound bandaged.
“The running trail gets shut down for six months while the California Fish and Game Department conducts a $100,000 survey to make sure the area is now free of dangerous animals. The governor spends $50,000 in state funds implementing a ‘coyote awareness program’ for residents of the area. The Legislature spends $2 million to study how to better treat rabies and how to permanently eradicate the disease throughout the world.
“The governor’s security agent is fired for not stopping the attack. The state spends $150,000 to hire and train a new agent with additional special training, re: the nature of coyotes. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) protests the coyote’s relocation and files a $5 million suit against the state.
“The governor of Texas is jogging with his dog along a nature trail. A coyote jumps out and tries to attack him and his dog. The governor shoots the coyote with his state-issued pistol and keeps jogging."
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Honesty may be the best policy, but it’s important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy. --G Carlin
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Sondergaard
Posts: 687
Incept: 2007-07-13
Big Trees
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Hey Karl, in your great Tea Party talk you said Weimar-style inflation was not possible while the Fed was prohibited by law from unsterilized printing.
But, when the Fed buys debt with no expectation of it being paid back, isn't that effectively the same thing as unsterilized printing?
They will one day have to write off a high fraction of the MBS on their balance sheet, right? The moment they do that, that's unsterilized printing.
And they must expect the federal debt never to be repaid, only rolled over for eternity, so that's unsterilized printing too.
What am I missing?
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And it won't make one bit of difference if I answer right or wrong; when you're rich, they think you really know. --Fiddler on the Roof
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Crzymorse
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Incept: 2010-06-25
Maryland
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Sondergaard -I think the FED has an inflation target of 2% of the core CPI. They consider 2% inflation growth stable according to their mandate. As long as prices only mathematically quadruple over your lifetime then the system is "stable" and all is contained.
Then you have Bernanke today Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Thursday that banks' overly tight lending standards may be holding back the U.S. economy by preventing creditworthy borrowers from buying homes.
Translation - Congress needs to repeal Dodd-Frank and disregard Basel II(capital requirements). I guess QE isn't the penis pump it was cracked up to be. It's like Bernanke is in engine room of the starship enterprise and can't get the warp drive going.
How about we try a little bit of capitalism. I don't mind a credit bubble just don't bail everybody out this time.
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Drkshapiro
Posts: 632
Incept: 2012-09-12
Southern CA
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That's because Mr. Scott had dementia and he died.
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Honesty may be the best policy, but it’s important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy. --G Carlin
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Steelhead23
Posts: 2043
Incept: 2008-09-09
Portland OR
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Why Schultz? Why not Volker? Truth is, if Geithner really does leave, I would rather he were replaced by a non-bankster, perhaps even a seasoned regulator (Sheila Bair? Brooksley Born?). Of course you know that Mr. Fisher has a bit of an axe to grind against politicians, Kay Bailey Hutchison beat the tar out of him... twice. That fact, and the fact that his organization has facilitated this fiscal farce do not in the least detract from the truth of his words. I would assume that he threw Schultz' name out there for grins - the man is 82 and has done his time for this country.
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"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" —Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild Benjamin Bernanke For-profit commercial banks are a menace and should be eradicated
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Jb350
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Incept: 2011-06-10
Detroit metro
Banned
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In your father-of-the-drug addict analogy, the Fed is only acting like the father but is in fact the dealer. So he is going to talk about option one, but practice option 2.
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Crzymorse
Posts: 1195
Incept: 2010-06-25
Maryland
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And Volcker is a spring chicken...,
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2666
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
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Drkshapiro
See, that is where you can separate the California bashing impostors. Being from the Dallas Fed, Fisher only got the Texas side right of the Governor pulling the gun and shooting the coyote. Had he been a real Californian, he would have added the following.
1,000 man permanent UNIONIZED coyote patrol added to patrol the wilderness.
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Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money!
Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro.
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Peterm99
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Incept: 2009-03-21
SoCal
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Why would the Texas governor get a state-issued pistol?
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". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance beyond Orwell’s imaginings falls into place." - Fred Reed
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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Has Fisher voted for QE? It's not a rhetorical question. I don't know the answer. THX
Reason: typo
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2666
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
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Peter, don't think it was state issued but here is the story. Pistol-packing Texas Gov. Rick Perry has a message for wily coyotes out there: Don't mess with my dog. Perry told The Associated Press on Tuesday he needed just one shot from the laser-sighted pistol he sometimes carries while jogging to take down a coyote that menaced his puppy during a February run near Austin. http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-6438....
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Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money!
Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro.
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Pay_lay_ale
Posts: 260
Incept: 2010-09-16
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Someone yelled 'fire' with crApple. http://www.cnbc.com/id/49842457Now down 25% off its all time high. "“Apple was the classic case of no more incremental buyers of the stock,” said Enis Taner of RiskReversal.com. “No matter how bullish a story, you need new buyers of the stock each and every day, or it will go down. Simply put: Apple has run out of them.”" What a shock!! No one could have seen this coming! “We believe that Apple is transitioning from a hyper-growth story to a more traditional, high quality branded company story” They said the same thing about the dot coms in 2000 as prices started declining and the same thing about financials in 2007-2008. People forget that P/E includes both price and earnings.
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Crzymorse
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Maryland
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Jslique
Posts: 467
Incept: 2008-07-28
Melbourne
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The Fed must also save its masters the TBTF banks.
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Drkshapiro
Posts: 632
Incept: 2012-09-12
Southern CA
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Mortgageguy Fisher is not on the FOMC so he doesn't get a vote.
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Honesty may be the best policy, but it’s important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy. --G Carlin
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Xqqme
Posts: 627
Incept: 2009-01-09
Ohio
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By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The Federal Reserve is asking 30 big banks to make sure their capital can withstand a deep recession in which the unemployment rate rises to 12%.
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Rutben
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Incept: 2007-07-27
Phoenix, AZ
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Sond....that has always been my understanding as well. Bernanke always smirks as he proudly states he is not "monetizing" since it is "sterilized" with worthless MBS, however "They will one day have to write off a high fraction of the MBS on their balance sheet, right? The moment they do that, that's unsterilized printing". Our infinite supply of worthless debt keeps the pusher in business.
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Drkshapiro
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Incept: 2012-09-12
Southern CA
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Steelhead The banksters put Geithner in that role. Obama does what Geithner says. This is in collusion with Eric Holder, who hasn't gone after one of these guys. What in the world makes you think he'd put in someone like Brooksley Born?
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Honesty may be the best policy, but it’s important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy. --G Carlin
Reason: typo
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Otiswild
Posts: 5627
Incept: 2009-03-09
Inside you, the force is!
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Quote:The banksters put Geithner in that role. Obama does what Geithner says. This is in collusion with Eric Holder, who hasn't gone after one of these guys. What in the world makes you think he'd put in someone like Brooksley Born? Seriously.. I think Treasury Secretary Corzine is more likely..
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Killben
Posts: 207
Incept: 2009-12-07
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The best that Fed has produced of late can be no other than Thomas Hoenig. If Hoenig were to be Fed Chief, I am sure we would have had banks broken up and possibly on the way to recovery with the right measures unlike our Big Ben who believes in throwing money to feed the greedy banksters. No one else speaks the whole truth hence nothing surprising about Fisher
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Steelhead23
Posts: 2043
Incept: 2008-09-09
Portland OR
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Drkshapiro - yes, I fully understand that Geithner is the bankster's boy. I was referring to Fisher's suggestion to put George Schultz in that position, which I see as laughable as the idea that Brooksley Born would be asked to submit her CV. Oh yeah, and I think Ron Paul should be president as well. Unfortunately, its going to take more than three pennies in the wishing well to make those dreams come true.
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"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" —Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild Benjamin Bernanke For-profit commercial banks are a menace and should be eradicated
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