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Jymm
Posts: 71
Incept: 2012-01-22
Wisconsin
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While I can agree Gary Johnson was a bad candidate, I doubt even a good one could have gotten many more votes. People were so in to the you have to vote Republican to defeat Obama, or you have to vote Democrat to defeat Romney that no one considers 3rd party candidates. I heard it all as I would not vote for either. It is always, this election is to important not to vote that way. Same when Bush was running. Well if we have to wait for an unimportant election to vote for a sane candidate, it will never happen. Just goes to show you, we get the government we deserve. LOL, as sad as that is for us.
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Stonedog
Posts: 2080
Incept: 2008-05-29
New Jersey
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Jymm - there were 14 million FEWER voters in this election than in 2008. As far a s I am concerned virtually all of those votes were up for grabs by the Libertarian and other third party candidates as voters who were throroughly disgusted at the choice of voting for either Romney or Obama. The fact that the Libertarian only picked up 600,000 voters or so for this election is an indictment of the leadership of the LP and Gary Johnson.
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"I would characterize my professional disdain as more of a professional contempt for their [Central Banker, Banker and politician] economic and financial policies, priorities, presumptions and prescriptions." - Lauren Lyster on Capital Account for Friday June 16, 2012
"All the stimulus, the bailouts, the quantit
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Medicdan
Posts: 8002
Incept: 2010-02-11
Scottsdale, AZ
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What are the odds we can get Bill Still in 2016. Perhaps we start now?
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Khuber
Posts: 14
Incept: 2010-10-16
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Now that more than half the country depends on less than half the country, with government mediating a transfer of resources, at a cost, a downward spiral is in place. The dependent sector will grow. The independent sector, from which resources are being drawn, will shrink. Even if government took no cut the challenge of positioning people to move from dependent to productive, from consumption to production, would remain.
This is not just a question of "no jobs." After all, people create work opportunities. They do so by organizing themselves to be productive.
Fundamentally becoming productive is a cognitive challenge. Government cannot make people become independent. Only the people themselves can do that. The education system and the culture make it difficult for people to "see" themselves into opportunities even when these surround us.
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Dazedncornfused
Posts: 310
Incept: 2010-10-13
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Stand up and be counted or line up and be numbered.
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Vernonb
Posts: 396
Incept: 2009-06-03
State College, PA
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Watching that video and considering statements made in the past I'm wondering where Johnson would show up on the DSM-IV psychiatric list. He's definitely in love with himself.
I would easily have voted for a viable 3rd party candidate in this election - there were none.
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"The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.”
-Alber Camus (1913-1960)
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Wearedoomed
Posts: 3584
Incept: 2009-01-14
slightly red state
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Medicdan wrote..What are the odds we can get Bill Still in 2016. Actually, what are the odds that we'll have an election at all? I'm hard-pressed to take the positive side of either bet.
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And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Mannfm11
Posts: 3532
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
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Jymm, the Libertarian Party needed a real Libertarian candidate, not a trojan horse. Then again, I doubt you could find a real Libertarian that would run in the first place.
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Musicandnature
Posts: 1947
Incept: 2007-12-05
NJ
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yeh I heard that Johnson spoiler bs and was astonished that such thoughts would even get airplay. Then there are the claims that O won bc he spent more.
oh come on, they both spent too much, yet Rupert and pals want more spending in 2016 !
Medic imo the odds of Still getting the lp nom are nil as it is already hijacked. Think we need the US mirror to the UK Independence party from whence Nigel Farage speaks.
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Since it costs a lot to win, and even more to lose, You and me bound to spend some time wonder'n what to choose. Goes to show, you don't ever know, watch each card you play and play it slow...Wait until that deal come round, don't you let that deal go down, no no. Garcia/Hunter.
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Jymm
Posts: 71
Incept: 2012-01-22
Wisconsin
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Mannfm11 - I agree with you. I have repeatably stated here that the Libertarians need a Libertarian candidate, not a failed Republican one like Gary Johnson. If Gov. Johnson had been that popular, he would have been the Republican nominee. Somehow the Libertarian party thinks a big name is more important than principles. No wonder they cannot make the difference even Ross Perot made! I also think people see through the Republican rhetoric, and what they actually do. I cannot remember a fiscally responsible Republican in my lifetime and I am in my late fifties. Fiscal responsibility has nothing to do with party.
Stonedog - I agree all those not voting could make a difference, but doubt they ever will. They either think the system corrupt, or just don't care enough. Some would still vote only Democrat or Republican. There are many reasons people don't vote, from personal problems that day to they just don't care and never will. Of course I hope for a better outcome, but do not expect one.
Medicdan - I am with you, I would vote for Bill Still.
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Stonedog
Posts: 2080
Incept: 2008-05-29
New Jersey
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Jymm - I'm not saying that I expected the LP to capture ALL of those 14 million votes. But the LP should have taken another 1 or 2 million at minimum.
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"I would characterize my professional disdain as more of a professional contempt for their [Central Banker, Banker and politician] economic and financial policies, priorities, presumptions and prescriptions." - Lauren Lyster on Capital Account for Friday June 16, 2012
"All the stimulus, the bailouts, the quantit
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Swampwoman
Posts: 366
Incept: 2009-12-06
NE Florida
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And what about voter fraud, in which many districts had thousands more voters than those eligible to vote, and 100% of the vote went to Obama? What if those were factored in?
If those votes were thrown out, we'd have President Elect Romney.
Don't get me wrong, we'd still have the same old problems. But I think we'd stand less of a chance of having all our constitutional protections removed.
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“A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody." --Thomas Paine
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Mrbill
Posts: 7840
Incept: 2008-10-19
North Carolina
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Links? Can't make claims like that without providing evidence.
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Genesis
Posts: 130663
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Math please Swamp, and please use the official SOE results from each county where you claim this, and add up ONLY the alleged fraudulent votes (remember, if someone cast 10 or 20 extras, you only get to count the 20, not the 2,000 legitimate votes.)
All elections have SOME element of fraud in them -- always have, always will. But this election was not close enough for that element to change the outcome.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Winstonsmith2009
Posts: 1060
Incept: 2009-08-05
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"So Johnson was in fact a complete non-event in terms of results and if you donated money or time to his "run" directly or indirectly you flushed it down the toilet, exactly as I predicted would occur."
And, as history has shown, if you donate money or time to the LP in general, that's been time or money flushed down the toilet, too. That's why I stopped doing it.
Third parties don't get enough votes unless their candidate is a billionaire and can buy TV time. The only way to fix things is to fix the bought government issue, but there are trillions of taxpayer dollars at stake to those who like it the way it is and they'll do everything they can to prevent a fix. So, what's to be done? Beats me.
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Chuckmak
Posts: 312
Incept: 2011-01-05
City of Bridges, PA
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I wonder how far in debt his campaign is (even moreso than when you reported on it)...
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Genesis
Posts: 130663
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Post-General election reports are due in early December.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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