| User Info
| FAIL! (Petitions to Secede) in forum [Market-Ticker]
|
Vitchilo
Posts: 4635
Incept: 2011-04-27
Online
|
New Jersey and New York??? No way in hell they secede from Obamaland. All the others, there could be a chance.
IMO, just like in Spain, Greece and around the EU in general, as the situation becomes worse and nothing is fixed and the corruption just continues, REAL secession movements will grow and grow, kicking the sellouts aside (Perry and most of these governors who just do it for political capital when they in fact oppose it) and going really for secession.
Secession/civil war will likely happen, but not yet.
----------
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken
|
Andysvw
Posts: 1753
Incept: 2010-06-26
Tujunga Ca
Online
|
YANK!!!! WTF
Just dont talk about How you could fix it.
|
Minack
Posts: 102
Incept: 2010-03-24
|
All hat and no cattle.
|
Duc888
Posts: 7368
Incept: 2008-11-06
CT, the UNconstitution State
|
....this stuff is nothing new, really. It's been going on for years behind the scenes.
----------
...burp
|
Jonesapple10
Posts: 379
Incept: 2010-11-09
|
and how much do these states get in funny money from the US? And how many federal workers are there in these states? Trading one giant poorly run government for a smaller poorly run government, whatever.
|
Fraudster
Posts: 4176
Incept: 2011-05-10
|
Is this article serious? It reads like something off Onion
----------
"Let China sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"Circulation ceases first at the outer edges [Europe and Japan]. It will take a while yet for the decay to reach the heart [America]." - Foundation & Empire by Isaac Asimov
|
Dusty88
Posts: 126
Incept: 2011-10-21
|
I don't think it's entirely useless. Sometimes crazy ideas or suspicions are necessary to keep the government paying attention. While this may be nothing more now than "we want you to know we are angry", something like increasing numbers on these petitions would get noticed.
It would be a lot better if we return to the behavior of a constitutional republic with sovereign states via agreement, than via failure.
|
Djloche
Posts: 3279
Incept: 2008-07-07
In the Mountains
|
Sorry this isn't a petition by those states. These are folks posting stuff online. If this was a bill in these States or a referendum ballot vote, or anything resembling action by the state entity or representative of those states...
This is the same thing as if someone wrote that KD spoke on behalf of Florida. He's not in any position to speak for the state.
----------
"If we wish to be free, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us! Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle?"
|
Rrasmuss
Posts: 915
Incept: 2007-12-22
HHH WA
|
----------
I'm moving to California
Cogito Cogito, ergo Cogito sum, Cogito
|
Standby
Posts: 1005
Incept: 2009-08-06
|
I'm about done with these Obama voters. I'm going to vote with my feet and give all my business, as much as possible, to non-union, non-Obama voting establishments. They're about to find out how cheap and chisely Obama voters really are.
|
Medicdan
Posts: 8028
Incept: 2010-02-11
Scottsdale, AZ
|
I think these are petitions started by individuals. Not states. I'm surprised anyone took this seriously.
----------
|
Reepotomac
Posts: 92
Incept: 2010-04-18
|
I thought there was an official procedure for secession, but I don't remember where I saw it
1. state legislature votes to secede
2. US Congress votes on it (good luck with that)
The US would bomb any state into oblivion if it had to.
|
Trades50
Posts: 4218
Incept: 2007-10-30
Land of Tax and Spend
|
Of course IL and CA are two states that will fight the succession. They need bailout donors.
----------
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson
|
Degaston
Posts: 2264
Incept: 2007-07-27
|
IMO the 17th amendment is the worst Amendment ever ratified for the US Constitution as its the biggest obstacle to fixing what ails the USA. If it were repealed today then all this nonsense of the Congress wouldn't stand as easily. What I'd rather see than succession movements is for the fiscally responsible States demanding that the "little guy" no longer be subject to direct regulation/taxation/services by the federal government but to instead have the state government pay its share of the "federal" liabilities on behalf of the "little guy" and in turn have them all regulated/taxed/served by well-run state governments w/o all the bureaucracy BS that idemnify the "little guy". And in turn the smart municipalities/counties could in turn do some idemnification program for their localities in order to simplify the red tape, overhead, and services for the "little guy".
----------
3/17/2013: Bullish on nothing - 100 percent in cash.
|
Mayorviolet
Posts: 67
Incept: 2010-09-16
Philadelphia, PA
Banned
|
Hahahah! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I hate to think of the desperate straits in which we might find ourselves if - gasp - Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia decided to leave. What? No South Carolina on the list yet? Somebody better call DeMint, stat!!
|
Azusgm
Posts: 2427
Incept: 2010-12-02
East Texas
Online
|
Then again, what's so American about Illinois or California?
Blue is for cyanosis.
|
Noodleman
Posts: 2393
Incept: 2008-11-01
|
Talk is cheap. As soon as the federal bennies got whacked they'd all scream like stuck hogs,
----------
"Ammunition beats persuasion when you are looking for freedom." Will Rogers, 4 Nov 1879 - 15 Aug 1935
|
Atmartin
Posts: 93
Incept: 2011-12-24
PNW
|
"Talk is cheap. As soon as the federal bennies got whacked they'd all scream like stuck hogs,"
Indeed. Though its been fun watching the progressives here in the Portland area blame all the hicks in southern oregon for their crappy economy when its their watermelon greenie laws that have screwed over the rural parts of the state. The anger on a few news sites/blogs was the typical anti-gun, anti-tea party, anti rednecks for folks voting down new taxes to keep the cops afloat in Joesphine county. Local citizen groups were arming up and dealing with the minor and not so minor crime themselves.
The Bend area got a Facebook data center recently. Once it was running the state gov came along and wanted more taxes. The Portland progressives and their union masters have gotten new taxes measures passed in the last 3-4 years that have just driven business out. Yet somehow the hicks are supposed to transition to some new economy to make ends meet. The susan saradon types want it to be eco-tourism along with healthcare for the retirees in the area. We all know how well that has and will work out.
I had some college girl, supposedly from Eugene at my door yesterday begging me to let her company/group give my carpets a free shampoo, with "no obligation". She pushed for a good 3-4 minutes before finally backing down. Lesson learned, I'll just shut the door on those types next time after a "no thanks, have a nice day". Her pleas of "we have to do 20 of these today", (to get paid was the implication). Welcome to the Obama economy sweetie.
|
Flaps10
Posts: 5173
Incept: 2008-10-17
seattle
|
Quote:and how much do these states get in funny money from the US? Other than California, probably less than is extracted from the people who live in those states through federal taxes. Me, I'd like to see less this: 
----------
"Better to die on your feet than live on your knees"
|
Jake3463
Posts: 770
Incept: 2010-03-06
Allentown
|
Citizens in the states have asked for secession. Try them for treason.
|
Aethor
Posts: 132
Incept: 2011-11-15
|
The number of signatures on those petitions is so small it's a non-event. Why do you even bother reporting on that?
|
Dtlgc
Posts: 936
Incept: 2007-11-26
Texas
|
Reason: map
|
Mo
Posts: 12158
Incept: 2007-06-26
Pa.
|
Western PA has more in common with Ohio than with NY, New England or even Philadelphia. Not to mention you can't have the confluence of the Ohio River in one country and the rest of it in another.
----------
Welcome to Pottersville
|
$lacker
Posts: 63
Incept: 2009-08-10
|
Anyone that thinks Texas (and Texans) could be controlled by the Mexican government looses any semblance of respect they may have had otherwise
|
