Why The Fiscal Cliff Is Going to Blow
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Posted 2012-11-08 09:43
by Karl Denninger
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Why The Fiscal Cliff Is Going to Blow
 

Watch the spin machine go into overdrive now...

The day after a hard-fought election that left Barack Obama in the White House and control of Congress divided between the two parties, the nation's political leaders promised to try to avoid year-end spending cuts and tax increases that threaten to push the U.S. back into recession.

In carefully worded comments Wednesday, major actors in the fiscal drama were both conciliatory to their adversaries and resolute in sticking to their principles. Whether this represents a temporary truce, or a step toward a pact to trim the deficit, won't be known for weeks.

Here's what it is, and it's shameful the WSJ won't call it by its true name: Total crap.

This is a matter of arithmetic more than it is politics.  And the arithmetic is quite-clear when you boil down what's being said and what reality is.

We must go back to arithmetic, because it is there that one finds the truth.

GDP = C + I + G + (x - i)

That is, GDP = Consumption + Investment + Government Spending + Net Exports

Note that this alleged "measurement" is inherently flawed, however, because it is a nominal value.

That is, if we have 10,000 units of credit and currency in the system and we add 1,000 units through deficit spending, GDP increases even though from the common man's perspective who is not a recipient of the government largesse he actually saw his economic prosperity in real terms decline! 

But even the recipient of the largesse did not see an actual gain, although one was reported -- he saw "status quo."  That is, he saw "more" but each unit of currency and credit bought less, and those more-or-less cancel out.

To "fix" the fiscal cliff you must stop deficit spending, one way or another.  And there is no free lunch -- if you increase taxes then either "C" (consumption) or "I" (investment) must decline since the money to pay the taxes has to come from one of those two categories.  If you cut government spending then GDP decreases by the exact amount that "G" is decreased.

When "growth" in GDP is 2% a year but you are deficit spending 8% then the real economic growth is -6%.  If you stop the deficit spending, no matter how you do it, the true economic rate of change becomes exposed irrespective of how you do it.

This is what our true economic growth rate has looked like in recent years (the red line, my friends, the red line):

At present run-rates this year looks to be coming in at $1.246 trillion, effectively identical to last year in terms of the calendar-year deficit (which was $1.225)  while nominal GDP appears to have not changed much either, although we do not yet have current figures and won't for the last two quarters until early 2013. 

But -- this chart shows you the problem quite-clearly: We haven't had a materially-positive GDP value in real terms -- that is, over 2% -- since 2000!

This, when you boil it all down, is the problem.  The government, both Republicans and Democrats, have "discovered" that they can fake "economic growth" by running fiscal deficits!  This in turn results in nominal GDP values that look much better than the truth really is, and that in turn spurs people to do foolish things, such as spending money and increasing leverage into what is a factually-deteriorating economic picture.

If you think either of the parties is going to voluntarily step back from this and recognize the truth, you've been smoking too much of that whacky weed that was just legalized in Colorado.

Until we, as people, demand that our government tell the truth when it comes to economic statistics, reporting GDP ex-fiscal deficit spending so as to neutralize the ability of the government to game the numbers with this fraudulent and intentionally-false reporting there is no solution other than that which will be imposed by the market.

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Bagbalm
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I guess the only question long time readers have is - What is the weak point? Where does it break? Even a list of high probability failure points would be nice.

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+1 Bagbalm

Any ideas Karl?

I always thought that the TPTB are doing a great job of keeping this going AND that a "breaking point" would be something exogenous to the US system as a whole.

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Why do you guys keep asking a question nobody has the answer for?

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If you have the indepth insight to understand the problem perhaps we can understand the most probable vector for the inevitable "Here it comes" moments.

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When does it break? What is going on here is pyschology. The thing to appreciate is that economics is somewhat physics, but also psychology. In the end, objective reality trumps, but feeling and emotion can defy that objective "gravity" so to speak for longer than you would think. That's what fuels tulip mania.

So right now, we're like Wile E. Coyote who has stepped off the cliff. We're hanging in mid-air but haven't yet looked down and noticed. When we do, we fall like Felix Baumgartner.

The pyschology going on right now is the US economy and govt can't fail. Yes, objective reality looks bad, but but but "Someone Will Take Steps", some rabbit will be pulled out of some hat somewhere and All Will Be Well. When that delusion is trumped by objective reality, then it fails, and fails spectacularly.
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Thanks Publius...I hear you.

I've seen this message about GDP a few times(actually a lot of times!!!). It needs to be ingrained in people's brains. I could recite this in my sleep. Unfortunately, "more people than not" can recite what is on TV more than they can understand what Karl is saying.

My only point was to understand, at this point in time, where everyone thinks it's going to break. That's all.

Cheers!

Rickyd

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Government spending (or government expenditure) includes all government consumption and investment but excludes transfer payments such as social security payments

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I've always thought that you could figure out, (with mathematics) a timeline for this collapse but finally figured it out.

It's impossible.

Why?

Everyone cheats. People purposely distort figures, and even worse, you got the Bernack behind that curtain printing money.

Am I sort of right?

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Again the call this morning by a few is to keep deferring the debt issue. Keep kicking the can.


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Excellent point Captbill...I am very right-brained.

"Here is the problem...here is the solution."

I am quickly learning that you cannot apply reason to math that is constantly being played with.

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Remember, math works in objective reality. Math does not work with psychology. That's what economists really fail to understand. You cannot, and will never, come up with some set of equations that will predict what a human's mind will do. And economics depends to a large degree on what a lot of human minds choose to do.

There is the objective component that can be analyzed via hard science methods, but it is incomplete.
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I explained to a coworker yesterday that when the media & politicians talk about the "fiscal cliff" they're not talking about the obvious unsustainability of our deficit spending. They're not talking about the actual cliff. They're talking about the mere possibility that tax rates could go up a bit and that the growth in the rate of spending could be slowed ever so slightly. It's like we're careening Thelma & Louise-style toward the real cliff and they're warning that we're about to run over a twig. Oooh, that's some nasty twig ahead. For God's sake, look out for that twig!
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Expect a back-loaded deal which only makes things worse but which buys some more time before the inevitable...

Flap

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My prediction is they'll bluster for 2 weeks and then agree to a 6 month extension.

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Smacktle - I guess we keep asking it because it is the only question worth knowing.
I don't EXPECT an answer like: On May 3 2012 a large US bank will not be able to make it's day's end settlements because of losses on the Spanish bond market and their default will domino the next Monday into a systemic failure...

What I'd like to see is some educated exposition on if a failure of European markets will spread here or if some event could destroy that psychological trust factor and send the market into a sales frenzy. If the insurance companies could be found unable to meet their Sandy damage claims...Ideas of relative strength and weakness like that.
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It will keep going until it doesnt. No one will know until after it happens.
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I had No income could not get a job for 14 months and was able to avoid the inevitable by using credit card's etc until the end came very quickly. If i could do this for 14 month's imagine what time frame the usa gov could have. But i know the time frame is not infinite. When it is reached it will collapse quickly.
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they're warning that we're about to run over a twig


:-)

We will run over the "twig".
The "new gov." will now jump into the pork barrel and make everything right.

That's called "compromise, working across the isle."

The fact that the markets fell + 300, after the election was only a signals to "toe the line or else."

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There will be Harry, Johnny, & Barry bloviating on TV & Radio how the other side is blocking progress on a "new deal". Then we will have an 11th hour solution that kicks the can down the road until the next election. In other words they want to keep the status quo.

Meanwhile, at some point something is going to give and cause a backlash and then all hell will break loose. Harry & Barry are going to blame Johnny and his gang and Georgie. Georgie hasn't been around in 4 years, but he still makes for good fodder.

The person(s) that figures out exactly when this is going to happen will receive a ton of publicity on CNBC and make tons of money as the next finacial whiz kid.

Meanwhile the taxpayer and investor get the royal screws.

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Karl why must you be so negative? The clowns in DC will get us through with some new deal and all will be fixed........forever.

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+2 bagbalm, I want the date too.

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I cannot stand the way this fiscal cliff debate has been framed. Congress agreed to vote for these cuts because we have a debt/spending problem and there needs to be some cuts. Now that it is time for the cuts that they voted for, all we here is how it will be catastrophic if they don't do something about them.

****ers cannot be honest, big surprise.
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Mangoelvis,

They'll have to do a calendar year at a time when it comes to income tax rates. Flappingeagle's right - it will be a backloaded deal that sounds like it's making things better but will really make things even worse.
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there is no solution other than that which will be imposed by the market.

Which will happen when pigs fly... pigs have been flying in Japan for 30 years...

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