Do NOT Vote For Gary ("I'm A Congenital Liar") Johnson in [Market-Ticker]

Posted 2012-10-31 14:04
by Karl Denninger
in Politics

Do NOT Vote For Gary ("I'm A Congenital Liar") Johnson

Sorry folks, you just can't do it.

Here's the short list of lies, and it's not exhaustive.

Nobody committed any crimes. You remember that, right? From here and, originally, from here back in 2010.
I will submit a balanced budget. Oh really? Well, history says he didn't in New Mexico. Oh, I know, he claims he balanced the budget, but he did it like Clinton with new debt, which means he played "cook the books." Legal, but a lie nonetheless. Worse, his campaign has chronically been in debt, so he can't even balance his own campaign's budget! How many bites at the apple do you get on a claim when you have proof via someone's actions that they will do exactly the opposite?
Debates should be open to all candidates. In fact Johnson sued over this under anti-trust law -- a law that many Libertarians claim shouldn't exist! (I happen to disagree with them on this, by the way.) But Johnson wasn't done being a hypocrite about his belief in free and open access to debates; oh no, he was just getting started! Now he's going to participate in the alternative debate that is excluding two of the original four candidates based on their less-favorable polling numbers -- the very same criteria under which he was excluded from the "prime time" debates! So his claimed belief in open access was a lie as well --all he cared about was being in the privileged position and as soon as he got it he didn't give a damn about so-called "open access to debate"! You can't make stuff like this up -- nobody would believe you unless it was documented as truth!

One falsehood can be a mistake, an error of judgment, or something similar.

But a pattern of hypocrisy and falsehood is something else entirely. And on that point with Johnson we've had plenty of examples over this campaign, including the utterly disastrous interview with Mr. Wenzel in which he lied directly to Robert during the interview about what he had read and understood and got caught live on the air.

There is only a week before the election and the rhetoric is piling up fast. So are the people trying to bamboozle you on Facebook, Twitter and other media, along with in-person entreaties via phone, email and political advertisement.

Don't fall for it; if you must vote for evil, and any candidate who has demonstrated during the campaign that they will lie about their record, lie about their principles and lie about what they have read and what they know is evil incarnate, then go "all the way" and write in either Beelzebub or Cthulu.

At least that way you can say you voted for the greater of evils and stood on principle.

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User Info	Do NOT Vote For Gary ("I'm A Congenital Liar") Johnson in forum [Market-Ticker]
Salt Posts: 193 Incept: 2010-05-28 NC	OT- Karl, have you seen this yet? ADP revisions http://www.cnbc.com/id/49620569 Last modified: 2012-10-31 14:32:53 by salt 2012-10-31 14:32:08 Permalink
Genesis Posts: 131481 Incept: 2007-06-26	Yes. Will report on tomorrow with the adp report. ---------- I don't care* if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me* Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. *Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.* *What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?* 2012-10-31 14:33:40 From PDA Permalink
Imustbenutz Posts: 283 Incept: 2010-11-04 Absurdistan, USSA	What do you suggest to those of us that are no longer a part of the false left-right paradigm? Who do you vote for to send the message to TPTB that we are awake and no longer going to put up with their false choice of two Goldman Sachs candidates? 2012-10-31 14:44:15 Permalink
Mill2093 Posts: 8 Incept: 2009-05-21 Illinois	FWIW, I wrote in "None of the Above". 2012-10-31 14:47:06 Permalink
Ursus-horribilis Posts: 828 Incept: 2008-03-16 Carmel, CA	If Johnson can get over five percent of the popular vote, the Libertarian party will be entitled to matching federal funds (about $90 million) from the Federal Government, passing the threshold under the Federal Election Campaign Act. Just sayin'. ---------- "There is a lot of support at zero." - Art Cashin 2012-10-31 15:03:53 Permalink
Fraudster Posts: 4181 Incept: 2011-05-10	WHICH PART OF WE WILL NOT ENDORSE BAD PEOPLE DO YOU NOT GET? ---------- *"Let China sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world."* - Napoleon Bonaparte *"Circulation ceases first at the outer edges [Europe and Japan]. It will take a while yet for the decay to reach the heart [America]."* - Foundation & Empire by Isaac Asimov 2012-10-31 15:06:27 Permalink
Ursus-horribilis Posts: 828 Incept: 2008-03-16 Carmel, CA	Not an endorsement. However, just sayin'. And Beelzebub/Cthulhu are neither viable options, nor "good people". Since I wrote in my candidate last time around, however, this is still (somewhat amusedly) under consideration. ---------- "There is a lot of support at zero." - Art Cashin Last modified: 2012-10-31 15:15:53 by ursus-horribilis 2012-10-31 15:14:54 Permalink
Peterm99 Posts: 5179 Incept: 2009-03-21 SoCal	Ursus-horribilis wrote.. If Johnson can get over five percent of the popular vote, the Libertarian party will be entitled to matching federal funds (about $90 million) from the Federal Government, passing the threshold under the Federal Election Campaign Act. If the Libertarian Party is unprincipled enough to select a presidential candidate who is an opportunistic LINO (libertarian in name only) merely for the purpose of becoming another feeder at the public trough by qualifying for matching funds, the party does not deserve the support of anyone who actually believes in fundamental (lower-case-L) libertarian principles. ---------- ". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance beyond Orwells imaginings falls into place." - Fred Reed Last modified: 2012-10-31 15:34:44 by peterm99 2012-10-31 15:28:44 Permalink
Steph4liberty Posts: 1729 Incept: 2010-10-22 Raleigh, NC Online	I've noticed a surprisingly large number of Gary Johnson signs out and about here in the Raleigh/Durham area. ---------- "Man will never be free until the last Banker is strangled with the entrails of the last Politician" - unknown "This isn't a market anymore, it's a computer game." - Drench 2012-10-31 15:33:57 Permalink
Ursus-horribilis Posts: 828 Incept: 2008-03-16 Carmel, CA	Which is Karl's point, Peter. So what would you suggest is the best way to disrupt the two-party paradigm? I'd submit that writing in fictional characters on the ballot (as good as that might feel) is ultimately ineffectual (unless 50 million people write in Beelzebub lol). In other words, what can we really do about this: ---------- "There is a lot of support at zero." - Art Cashin Last modified: 2012-10-31 15:40:20 by ursus-horribilis 2012-10-31 15:39:49 Permalink
Ursus-horribilis Posts: 828 Incept: 2008-03-16 Carmel, CA	By the way, I'm now certain that Romney will be elected...I'd be SHOCKED if he wasn't. ---------- "There is a lot of support at zero." - Art Cashin 2012-10-31 15:42:41 Permalink
Crzymorse Posts: 1229 Incept: 2010-06-25 Maryland Online	Karl's absolutely destroying Gary Johnson's chances of becoming the next ambassador to Libya. As always in politics it depends on how you gauge success. Johnson has been utterly sucessful in chasing as many libertarians as possible to the red and blue sith lords for reprogramming. I wonder how many die hard conservatives are ticked off about Gov. Christy blowing Obama to completion a couple days before the election. 2012-10-31 15:54:16 Permalink
Jymm Posts: 85 Incept: 2012-01-22 Wisconsin	While I agree, and will not vote for Gary Johnson, (I made that mistake with Bob Barr), I am not sure who or what to do. I was sorry to see Bill end his write in campaign, that was going to be my vote. I am considering the libertarian idea (small l) of just not voting for bad candidates. The problem with that is who knows it is a protest and not just apathy? Imagine if both candidates mustered only 1 or 2 % of the population, how would they legitimatize their government? We know that won't ever happen. As long as the average citizen/voter continues blind loyalty to corrupt parties it will never change. All I hear is we have to get rid of Obama, but is an Obama\Bush clone, (Romeny, Johnson) really the answer? I know in the long run my one vote will not change the election. I will probably go to the polls, and leave many major offices blank, voting where change can be effected at the state and local level. One thing I will not do is walk the "Walk of Shame" by voting for Romeny or Obama. 2012-10-31 16:37:12 Permalink
Dusty88 Posts: 126 Incept: 2011-10-21	Quote: ....alternative debate that is excluding two of the original four candidates based on their less-favorable polling numbers -- the very same criteria under which he was excluded from the "prime time" debates! I disagree a bit on this point. The debate commission signs an agreement with the Repub/Democrat candidates that prevents them from participating in other debates, while setting the terms of choosing candidates in such a way that makes it practically impossible for a 3rd party candidate to get in. That sort of exclusion isn't what happened in this case. Johnson isn't (AFAIK) locked into refusing other debates by debating Jill Stein. 2012-10-31 17:20:37 Permalink
Rentier Posts: 197 Incept: 2010-06-19 Banned	Shouldn't you vote for Libertarian Party? Not the candidate. Just so in 2016 the Libertarian Party has better chance of being involved in debates? Of course hoping there is someone else qualified running in 2016 besides GJ. Doesn't a third party need like 15% of the popular to have a chance be in debts? Last modified: 2012-10-31 17:50:17 by rentier 2012-10-31 17:49:30 Permalink
Drkshapiro Posts: 651 Incept: 2012-09-12 Southern CA	In today's Casey Daily Dispatch Doug goes out on a limb and says the economic house of cards should collapse in 2013 or 2014, so if this turns out correct then you might as well vote for the one you like the least since the one in charge will get the lion's share of the blame. The comment about two goldman sachs candidates is correct. I can't see that it matters which one is chosen in terms of government spending, government debt and personal liberty. ---------- A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on Paul. --GBS 2012-10-31 17:53:52 Permalink
Ursus-horribilis Posts: 828 Incept: 2008-03-16 Carmel, CA	That's the sad truth. ---------- "There is a lot of support at zero." - Art Cashin 2012-10-31 18:14:18 Permalink
Mayorviolet Posts: 67 Incept: 2010-09-16 Philadelphia, PA Banned	As to Governor Christie "blowing Obama to completion" first of all, project much? If you're gonna insult the Governor, try to learn how to spell his name. And most important, he's the governor of a state that is largely underwater. Whatever you might think of FEMA, they're involved. I think it's refreshing to have a politician that puts his state and people before partisan politics. Would you prefer he by like "Lyin' Ryan" ... bash the stimulus funds on the one hand while grabbing the stimulus cash with the other. The whiners on this board are amazing; you look for integrity and principles, and when you actually see a politician that demonstrates the two, you bash him - in the luridly graphic blowjob terminology that is a staple on this board full of closeted queens. Grow a pair, sonny. 2012-10-31 18:46:57 Permalink
Itsgold Posts: 151 Incept: 2009-04-08 Dallas, TX	I guess that only leaves the Green Party candidate, Jill Stein, as the only choice left on the ballot. 2012-10-31 19:31:04 Permalink
Genesis Posts: 131481 Incept: 2007-06-26	Quote: Shouldn't you vote for Libertarian Party? Not the candidate. Just so in 2016 the Libertarian Party has better chance of being involved in debates? Of course hoping there is someone else qualified running in 2016 besides GJ. Doesn't a third party need like 15% of the popular to have a chance be in debts? No, because the Party is incapable (as it demonstrated) of nominating a candidate who you can vote FOR. Parties are just groups of people. If that group nominates an idiot (or worse), then you're confirming their selection by voting for that candidate. ---------- I don't care* if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me* Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. *Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.* *What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?* 2012-10-31 19:35:06 Permalink
Ursus-horribilis Posts: 828 Incept: 2008-03-16 Carmel, CA	Jill Stein has been arrested (again): http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/e.... ---------- "There is a lot of support at zero." - Art Cashin 2012-10-31 19:44:16 Permalink
Crzymorse Posts: 1229 Incept: 2010-06-25 Maryland Online	Mayor, It wasn't a dig at the governor or Obama, it was a dig at the conservatives that can't stand anything about Obama. Christie (spelled better for you) has been the republican beacon of hope for all the Obama haters since he has become governor. The fact that he is working with Obama is going to drive the right ultra right wing nuts, that was my point in overly lurid terms. As for your other assertions, I have no beef with FEMA, on Ryan I can't agree with you more. 2012-10-31 19:53:34 Permalink
Fraudster Posts: 4181 Incept: 2011-05-10	http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd Link to Casey interview Drkshapiro referenced. ---------- *"Let China sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world."* - Napoleon Bonaparte *"Circulation ceases first at the outer edges [Europe and Japan]. It will take a while yet for the decay to reach the heart [America]."* - Foundation & Empire by Isaac Asimov 2012-10-31 22:33:49 Permalink
Super_z Posts: 419 Incept: 2008-01-19 Philly	Quote: Quote: Shouldn't you vote for Libertarian Party? Not the candidate. Just so in 2016 the Libertarian Party has better chance of being involved in debates? Of course hoping there is someone else qualified running in 2016 besides GJ. Doesn't a third party need like 15% of the popular to have a chance be in debts? No, because the Party is incapable (as it demonstrated) of nominating a candidate who you can vote FOR. Parties are just groups of people. If that group nominates an idiot (or worse), then you're confirming their selection by voting for that candidate. Sigh. You are right as usual Karl, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to vote for him anyway just because of the nonsense from the PA Republican party suing to remove Lib candidates from the ballot. And even though I was bemoaning the lack of fundamentals in tonight's NBA game, and I am a registered R, I am still at least 20 years away from being able to vote for a Rethuglican. Although I guess would have to seriously consider voting for Christie. My main problem with Christie is that he seems to enjoy power too much, regardless of his policies, I consider that a very dangerous trait in a leader. But I guess that perhaps it is time to heed the words of Arthur Schopenhauer, who said that he would rather be ruled by a lion than one of his fellow rats. Sorry that was a bit all over the place. I haven't had too much sleep the last few days since my mattress and boxspring are in the Atlantic ocean. Clarification: I vote for R's for local office all of the time, mainly trying to make a joke about the quality of national Republican politics. In times of adversity I prefer to laugh than to cry. ---------- "Pay no attention to Caeser, Caeser doesn't have the slightest idea what's really going on." - Kurt Vonnegut RIP Last modified: 2012-10-31 23:25:49 by super_z Reason: Quote & Clarification 2012-10-31 23:19:39 Permalink

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