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Vitchilo
Posts: 4635
Incept: 2011-04-27
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Indeed Karl... but you know people... they think they are above everyone else, that nothing can touch them... and then they end up in a bad position... and say ``nobody could have foreseen this!`` as an excuse...
Anyway, to those asking if the election could be canceled/delayed... it has NEVER been done... not even during the civil war... congress would need to do a special session and put a new date... which is very unlikely.
So election is still a go on November 6... unless Obama abuses his powers once again and uses an executive order.
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken
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Digitlman
Posts: 335
Incept: 2011-03-04
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Looking at a photo of NYC from early this morning and they only building lit like a Christmas tree? Goldman Sachs.
As much as I would like them to crumble into dust, their facilities people seem to know what they are doing....
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Peterm99
Posts: 4994
Incept: 2009-03-21
SoCal
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Often, the locality requires permits for installation of systems like this, post-installation inspections, and quite frequently, periodic inspection by code enforcement personnel.
Thus, these failures also serve as still more examples of gov't incompetence by imposing bureaucratic requirements that are often useless for anything other than to increase gov't employee headcount.
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". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance beyond Orwell’s imaginings falls into place." - Fred Reed
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Geschrei
Posts: 473
Incept: 2009-02-23
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As you know personally, Gen, my work facility has a sophisticated backup power system consisting of a massive diesel generator capable of maintaining the core operations (including air conditioning required for keeping the equipment cool) for roughly 50 hours. In the run up to major storms we also make sure we have additional diesel on hand in case our power is out for more than a couple of days. We test it regularly to make sure it's there when we need it. And to make sure the operation remains uninterrupted, there's an automatic electronic relay that maintains a steady load to the UPS so that service is uninterrupted in the event of loss of external power.
Even so, when Hurricane Dennis hit in 2005, we had made all of the appropriate preparations and were ready to roll when the power failed...except that we didn't anticipate the electrical flow into the building becoming rapidly intermittent...within seconds, the sudden on/off of the power fused the automatic relay in the 'offline' position, so when the electricity failed completely, we could no longer get power from the generator into the building (naturally, this was just as the storm was reaching its peak). So we had a perfectly functional generator with 50 hours of fuel, and still no power.
Needless to say, that system has been made more robust, and a momentary delay programmed into the relay mechanism. But no one thought of that until AFTER the first time we needed it.
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“The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern.”
Lord Acton (1834 - 1902)
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Blackswan
Posts: 5564
Incept: 2007-11-06
Just outside of Philly
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This reminds me of a former employer - Thomson.. now Thomson Reuters. The database center was impressive. They had three levels of redundancy for power backup. Three huge backup generators - routinely tested and maintained.
That is pathetic that a hospital's backup failed especially since they had several days to prepare for a storm.
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“It’s checkmate. Everywhere it’s checkmate.” Hugh Hendry
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Otiswild
Posts: 5627
Incept: 2009-03-09
Inside you, the force is!
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Don't forget a number of colo hotels are positioned on the Jersey City coast facing downtown NYC. Smart!!
Also, getting a permit or neighbor permission to run a generator in a NYC apartment or co-op? Good Luck With That!
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2666
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
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Not to mention over time, stuff will grow in diesel fuel tanks if an additive is not used. She might fire up and run for a time until the filter clogs,
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Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money!
Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro.
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Genesis
Posts: 130798
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Bert, intelligent folks have a polishing schedule for stored fuel for exactly this reason.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Wearedoomed
Posts: 3585
Incept: 2009-01-14
slightly red state
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I have service with a particular VoIP provider that has a solid reputation in some circles. Really, I should say they had a solid reputation. For the past month or so, they've been the victim of a truly nasty and persistent DDoS attack that came at them in several different ways and knocked out their service to a very significant degree. They finally got that mostly straightened away within the past week or so... but it turns out that their one and only PoP is in lower Manhattan, without any significant DR! They're fired as soon as I can port my DIDs elsewhere.
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And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Jpg
Posts: 329
Incept: 2009-03-23
MI
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Quote:When it comes to computers, chillers in big buildings are not quite like an air conditioner in a house. There was a time, several decades ago, when I was stationed at an Air Force base near St. Louis. Had a bad winter storm ... -20F, 30 mph wind. Froze the chillers for our computer center. Tried opening the doors, but that didn't really circulate the air adequately. Called over to the base motor pool to ask for a portable air-conditioning trailer. Their response was "Yeah, we'll send one right over. As soon as we dig it out from under the snow drift". As I recall, we eventually got the chillers thawed. Don't recall how long we were "out of operation". I seem to recall that after the chillers were thawed, they got some antifreeze.
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Vernonb
Posts: 398
Incept: 2009-06-03
State College, PA
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Quote:Looking at a photo of NYC from early this morning and they only building lit like a Christmas tree? Goldman Sachs.
As much as I would like them to crumble into dust, their facilities people seem to know what they are doing.... LOL.... forget about help from the neighbors (or lending help) When you have screwed the world vigilance becomes the primary concern for survival.
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"The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.” -Alber Camus (1913-1960)
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2666
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
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I am getting Google/Youtube errors this morning... Never got them before.
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Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money!
Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro.
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Gable
Posts: 413
Incept: 2009-07-04
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Never ceases to amaze me how people, who consider themselves smarter than the rest of us, keep making really dumb mistakes most of us understand is everyday maintenance and preparedness.
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In all of history, no government became more honest, less corrupt, or granted its citizens more rights as it grew in size. E.L. 2011
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Sd79
Posts: 3131
Incept: 2008-10-12
SoCal
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Every hospital I've ever been in and most nursing homes, have weekly gennie tests that last for up to an hour.
I can't believe they faked 'em or screwed it up so bad when it came time for the real deal.
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“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” ~ Albert Einstein
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Mrholty
Posts: 1145
Incept: 2007-07-27
Wisconsin
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when NYC had the blackout in what 2002-03 I worked at one of the airports. The screwed up way that is the PANYNJ is some of the Terminals are leased/operated by the tenant. During that outage, everything kicked in correctly and ran for 12 hours. However there was fuel in the regular location and then a backup location. Once it switched to backup we quickly realized that the pump for the backup was electrically powered. 20 year old system, signed off annually by the Port, tested annually, etc for 20 years and missed.
The sad thing about it was it allowed us to run at 40% capacity which is what we wanted. The PANYNJ asked us to shut down as their terminals were closed as their backups didn't work and the other airlines were upset that we were operating (on a limited schedule) but operating where they weren't.
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Bagbalm
Posts: 4263
Incept: 2009-03-19
Just North of Detroit
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I used to service a generator that was natural gas fired and started off a flywheel. As soon as line voltage failed it engaged a electromagnetic clutch and switched over. We'd test it monthly. When it was finally needed it did not run. Reason? The building hired a new JANITOR who had access the the equipment rooms. He saw that the gas valve was open to the generator and although it was none of his business and not his job he closed it because he had an irrational fear of gas and felt it was a safety hazard open. Same guy would not answer his office phone if there was a storm. He was full of phobias and we couldn't get him fired.
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Sstumpff
Posts: 34
Incept: 2009-08-24
Gilbert, az
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Genesis:
I figured you of all people would recognized the rust of margin compression. The only people who need fired at these places are the CFO's.
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Wearedoomed
Posts: 3585
Incept: 2009-01-14
slightly red state
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Look at what people at DirectNIC's New Orleans data center did during Katrina. One guy there, a Green Beret, had a blog detailing what they were doing to keep things running. It went viral. If only some companies actually gave a ****...
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And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Jal
Posts: 513
Incept: 2009-03-25
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"If I do it and its not in my job description/responsibility I'll get fired."
Its called being part of the team, being a good team player.
Don't make waves. Don't disturb the dust bunnies.
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Ptoemmes
Posts: 143
Incept: 2009-04-13
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This probably belongs in the foolishness category, but that has not stopped me before ;-): http://www.politico.com/news/stories/101....===== Federal law requires presidential elections to be held on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November, but it also provides that if a state “has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct. ====== Hmmm...so could Sandy affected NE states, in theory, punt elections and have their legislatures choose the electoral college members? What about early/absentee voters? I no not believe there is a national law - or even a state law - that binds electors to vote based on the popular vote allocation of their state though they may suffer "shunning" if they do not - not sure about that. I believe Maine and Nebraska allocate other than state winner take all.
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Andysvw
Posts: 1759
Incept: 2010-06-26
Tujunga Ca
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Every time a disaster strikes like Katrina or the Japan earthquake we get these stories. It makes me sick. In this case the storm did not sneak up on them. They should have tested them over the weekend.
Public hangings? If people die someone should fry. The US Navy takes this to the mat. All of that equipment is proven and tested on a regular basis. A flood should not take out the emergency generator system ever.
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Drjerry
Posts: 584
Incept: 2007-11-06
Seattle
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I lived in Canada for a number of years. AKA The Great White North. It snows in Canada. Living there you learn to have backups. And backups for the backups. If the storm/outage lasts longer than the supply of diesel, we have complete heating, cooking and sleeping ready to go. Only difference is we don't have to pitch the tent.
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Dazedncornfused
Posts: 313
Incept: 2010-10-13
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N9lhm
Posts: 92
Incept: 2010-01-28
South Bend, IN
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I take care of our diesel generators here at work, and do generator repair on the side. While weekly no-load/monthly load tests are a must, like Sd79 said, you also have to realize that all that running a generator for an hour proves is that your generator will run for an hour :) Like Karl and others have said, unthought-of things like fuel supply can get you if you haven't considered them.
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