Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later on the annex itself was denied by the CIA chain of command -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.
Stand down?
You can't be serious.
As I noted a few days ago it appears that our "purpose" in maintaining that "safe house" in Libya was that we had thousands of MANPADs -- man-totable anti-aircraft missiles -- "loose" over there, and were trying to find them and basically buy them back (read: bribery.) Therefore, we knew damn well that the so-called "annex" in question was a high-value target to anyone who had a stick in their ass about America, as it contained both weapons and lots of money -- two commodities in high demand in that part of the world.
At least three men, including two now-dead ones, ignored the order to stand down and attempted to defend the consulate. They died defending American soil despite orders to not do so. Worse, during the attempted defense they managed to get a laser designator on the people firing on the annex and yet they couldn't get anyone to put ordnance on that location.
So exactly who refused help?
It is looking increasingly likely that the person responsible for this is President Obama himself, personally.
Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”
But clearly, someone did issue a "Stand Down" order (that was ignored.) Who was it?
There's only one person left: President Obama himself.
Facts are funny thing -- they eventually lead to inescapable conclusions, no matter how hard you'd wish they didn't, as potential explanations for various events are examined and discarded.
It now appears that we have a President who not only intentionally put our men and women in harm's way without appropriate defensive measures but when they came under attack he literally ordered them to die rather than defend them.
Are we as American going to sit for this outrage or will we call it what it is?
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Wearedoomed
Posts: 3585
Incept: 2009-01-14
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Oath Keepers? 3%ers? Anyone? Bueller?
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Therefore, we knew damn well that the so-called "annex" in question was a high-value target to anyone who had a stick in their ass about America, as it contained both weapons and lots of money -- two commodities in high demand in that part of the world.
Not just people who have a stick in their ass, but any criminal/drug/arms lord who sees the opportunity for what it is... an ``easy way`` to make cash and lots of it since apparently the place wasn't very well defended.
And there's no way the medias will call Obama on this BS... they have long forgotten what FACTS and HONEST REPORTING means... they are 100% partisan at this point.
Even the Obamabots ignore this, they think it's all made up by Fox News and won't read the whole case.
The only one that could bring it up would be Romney... but good luck with him doing the right thing and telling the whole truth about this while keeping it credible.
/when the revolution/revolts happens, the MSM needs to be held to account (read shot for treason) too.
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Bagbalm
Posts: 4261
Incept: 2009-03-19
Just North of Detroit
After you have enough blood on your hands a little more probably doesn't seem like a big deal. Just another thing to get out of the way before breakfast and a quick round. Hard to imagine folks would get upset over it. Aren't they sophisticated enough to know that's the way of the world?
Djloche
Posts: 3278
Incept: 2008-07-07
In the Mountains
More and more it sounds like the CIA op went south and the ambassador was too dirty and was supposed to be let go on his own.
CIA businesses is always dirty business but both the Democratic party and the Republican party have dirty hands in the whole arming and supporting the same terrorist organization that flew planes into the WTC. So I don't understand why they're pushing this card so hard - the Republican's candidate would have done the exact same thing and is on record for supporting and even increasing support of those terrorists.
silly season indeed
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Publius
Posts: 861
Incept: 2009-03-08
Greenville, SC.
This idea that Obama didn't know is just ludicrous. A Lt. Col former special ops planner called into Limbaugh today and explained things. The guy absolutely knew what he was talking about.
Forget e-mails we've heard about which are unclassified, open communications. The minute a US ambassador is in trouble, Flash traffic will go straight to the White House Situation Room and also to the military geographic command (AFRICOM in this case) responsible for the area. There is a simple code word, something like say "Rumplestilskin!", that will be used. That means US ambassador in peril. That activates a host of protocols and procedures.
Protocol is when that Flash code word is received, someone *physically* goes and tells POTUS. As the guy said, someone physically had to march his little ass and tell Obama that the US amabassador in Libya was under attack.
Standing orders would be for the geographic command to under a 4-star to take action to aid the ambassador. That is the default action. It required *negative* orders from someone high up, meaning over the 4-star in charge of AFRICOM to "stand down". It is obvious that order came from Obama himself. Penetta wouldn't have done it. The AFRICOM 4-star basically answers directly to POTUS. Only POTUS could've negated the standing orders that 4-star was under to render assistance.
Bagbalm
Posts: 4261
Incept: 2009-03-19
Just North of Detroit
So tell my why this ambassador had so little worth. Not enough money in the family? Farted at a state dinner? Too white and Christian? Did he know dimitude was national policy when he took the post?
Jennifer Griffin is a very credible reporter, so I can easily believe the men were told to "stand down". The aspect though that the information (the laser targets, the details of the situation) got through to everybody (including Obama) seems more nebulous. Who is reporting that and what are their sources?
I don't trust our president in the least, but I don't trust every news story either.
... but if it's as bad as it sounds, it's starting to sound almost like a "Clear and Present Danger" story... abandon the men so no one finds out what is really going on
Obama has terrorist Tuesdays where he calls out the hit list. When you have a president calling out assassinations, you probably don't have a person that places a high value on life.
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'abandon the men so no one finds out what is really going on' That seems more likely. Maybe US assets (Ambassadors and sovereign territorities) don't mean what they used to. That said, I'm still disturbed by the Administrations 'changing' stories. In all their arrogance, did they think they could get away with it? Then again, if the MSM doesn't call it a failure, I guess it can't be a failure. If Republicans ask questions, they'll be called partisan or politicizing the deaths of four patriots. Can we ever expect to get the truth? This is what frustrates me. I don't recognize this country anymore.
Lizardqueen
Posts: 3558
Incept: 2008-04-01
He's cute, but he can't swim
Other than the article on Fox and Jake Tappers blog on ABC there has been exactly ---crickets--- from the rest of the MSM on this.
I suggest you spend a few hours today hammering their contact info asking that this be investigated by them. Also note who is sponsoring them, for the future boycott they so richly deserve.
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
Barnhardt has a video of the caller to Limbaugh's show: http://barnhardt.biz/ She theorizes that Obama wanted Stevens dead to cover up Obama's arming of those who want a worldwide caliphate (because Obama wants a caliphate, too). Um... OK.
Kevin Du Juan theorizes that it was an attempted October Surprise scheme that went awry:
Maybe Obama forgot that his jihadi cohorts were less accepting of homosexuality than is Obama himself - that when you send a gay ambassador to a muslim country, they stand an increased risk of being ass*****d before and after being murdered. Because the prescribed penalty for homosexuality is apparently a good ass-raping, just as the penalty for a woman being raped (at least in NW Pakistan) is being further gang*****d by the tribal elders.
Ben
Posts: 6208
Incept: 2009-10-09
The Distant, Glorious, Past
I must be a huge outlier because I still call 50 and 60 somethings on their bull**** and I am one of them.
"I know what you're thinking, 'cause right now I'm thinking the same thing. Actually, I've been thinking it ever since I got here: Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?"
Quote:
when you send a gay ambassador to a muslim country, they stand an increased risk
OMG. PC stupidity meets reality in the rest of the world. This is beyond stupid. WTF did they think would happen?
Watching those videos it's clear that Obama really IS The Manchurian Candidate, a sleeper cell of one.
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More and more it sounds like the CIA op went south and the ambassador was too dirty and was supposed to be let go on his own.
This is possibly more than that. This was a full blown Al-Quaida military operation. The first objective was to get any intelligence they could from the consulate, then get the weapons and money from the CIA annex. The assasination of Stevens was purely luck, gravy on the cake for the terrorists.
What has yet to come out, IMHO, is Steven's hardening policy towards Libya and Egypt, growing daily at odds with Hillary and Obama. It may have been convenient for Hillary and Obama that Stevens was killed, thus silencing a growing, well trained, educated, native speaking and loved by Libyans on the ground voice of dissent in the State Department.
I'll surmise that Hillary and Obama intentionally let Stevens die because he had begun to oppose their actions (they had no policy) of appeasement.
Maybe this intelligence, picked up by Stevens, was the last straw....
Stevens knew about weapons being moved by the Jihadists from Libya to Syria. Now who could have provided such logistics and transportation to get these weapons there? Inquiring minds want to know.
Interesting that we haven't heard anything yet about the reactions from the military at Sigonella and other sites. My sources tell of rumors that guns were pulled some Americans on other brave Americans at Sigonella to force them to stand down as ordered by the National Command Authority.
This is the stuff of impeachment, folks.
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Azusgm
Posts: 2420
Incept: 2010-12-02
East Texas
Online
Why wouldn't Panetta issue the stand down order? He's the guy who went in front of the senate armed services committee and said that the Obama administration would seek international approval before going to war but would not commit to seeking advice and consent of the US legislature, much less a declaration of war.
I do not trust Obama or Panetta, but I get the feeling that Panetta has more experience issuing orders. Obama could have easily over-ridden any order to stand down, but I don't think he would.
This tragedy was a political moment for Obama to take down Romney. Nothing like a foreign attack to allow for public displays of leadership and to rally support for the president. Why the movie lie, so what if we were purchasing rogue missiles from the past Libyan regime. The country doesn't like to change leadership in a crisis. Something is up with Obama maybe psych issues, alcohol or drugs. He has lost his cool in the debates, he is being irritable and petty. Libya was an political opportunity to rise above the fray and be presidential at a time he needs to be right before an election. Something is very wrong behind the scenes.
AC-13OU Gunship Was On-Scene in Benghazi, Ogama Admin Refused to Let It Fire (updated) PJ Media ^ | 10/26/2012 | Bob Owens
From the comments: Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me. One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint” a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station. Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area. If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed. If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!
Panetta, like all Secretaries, can issue and execute administrative and policy orders as deemed necessary from the President. He is a Secretary, essentially staff to the President.
However, when it comes to COMMAND matters, especially in a combat situation, the only person authorized as COMMAND and control between the CIA and DoD is the President. Panetta can advise, but he can't issue an order since he is not legally a Commander.
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The DS guys should have, and would have, made requests for assistance. They are the armed security units who are responsible for Embassy security. They would have gone up the chain of command in minutes, the local RSO and they up to eventually Hilary Clinton (they all work for State). At the time of the attack, DS had 5 guys on the ground. Obviously not enough. So the main question is, when did the request get to Hilary, and what did she do about it? Even without a request, she knew about it within 30 minutes and did nothing. You don't need to be asked to protect your citizens.....
It got so bad Woods and Doherty who were under CIA command, ignored their denied request to headed into danger, helped the original DS team who were with the Ambassador get back to the annex, and some hours later unfortunately died in the mortar attack. By then, of course Panetta, Hilary and everyone else knew what was going on (emails from the RSO), yet from BOTH State and CIA, no action for reinforcements. They both hung out our guys to dry. SecNav should have sent a MSG detachment even though there wasn't one in Beghazi. I.e., all hands on deck. Instead, it was abandon ship. Pricks.
Christ, the guys were shot at with RPG's and ak-47 fire at point blank as they made their heroic escape.
I'm an old MSG, and one reason I left was the constant turf wars in our Embassies. State has their army, the CIA theirs, we protected classified information/sources/bricks and mortar/VIP's, and then the others, FBI etc (also all the army guys if a military post). But I don' think this was a monumental screw up. **** happens and I've seen worse. The intel was there, the live feeds were there, just a few people in high places who decided against acting. For what motivation? There was zero downside. I've heard stories that the higher-ups were afraid a full "engagement rules" response would have jeopardized the Tripoli personnel, and embassies around the Middle East.
The other explosive revelation we haven't heard yet is if the Predator was armed....then it could have acted within minutes of the first shot being fired against the consulate.
Interesting that nobody is asking this question, isn't it? I bet the ordnance list on that Predator will be the most prized document of all very shortly.
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The DS guys should have, and would have, made requests for assistance.
Snowman, the Marine Times (September 24 Edition, Page 16) reported that State had not EVER requested an MSG contingent for Benghazi. As a matter of fact, the previous CMC, seeing a chance to save some of his budget, had actually gone to State and asked once again if they should plan for ANY MSG assets in Tripoli and Benghazi and he was denied, even told NOT to put any USMC assets there.
This was a monumental screw-up only because the ambassador happened to go to Benghazi (and I'll bet Hillary didn't even know) and was killed.
Don't forget that under normal circumstances, according to that Marine Times article from budget request to boots in the embassy is currently a 5-year process.
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