A Man Without A (State) Party
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Posted 2012-09-09 23:46
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A Man Without A (State) Party
 

I tendered my resignation to the Libertarian Party of Florida's Executive Committee this evening.

The immediate cause of this was that several posts I had made from The Ticker to the party's open and public Facebook discussion page were apparently removed, and the Chair, Adrian Wyllie, refused to address what was a fairly-clear case of selective censorship despite his stated policy that the page was a "free for discussion" zone sponsored by the party where censorship should not occur.  The final insult was when my post related to monopoly behavior in the Health Care system that I penned dealing with "CON" laws in the several States was removed; this post took a position that I believe should find vehement agreement within the rank, file, and Executive Committees of the various Libertarian Party organizations nation-wide. 

I have also been told that others have been censored in the past, although I will not speak for others in this regard.

Indeed, that's one of the problems with censorship; it is too often conducted in the dark of night and no records are kept, intentionally, to prevent the guilty parties from being fingered and examination of the facts related to what happened are thus kept from public exposure and debate.

My response to these acts was to file notice of a motion for the meeting this evening to force the disclosure of who had been conducting censorship, who was censored (other than myself, if others were also impacted) and the grounds on which the action was taken, along with putting in place formal requirements to log and track future acts of censorship, whether automatically in whatever software was used or manually if it was not otherwise available.  The Chair refused to docket my motion.  When I challenged the Chair's refusal by filing a notice of objection to the September 9th meeting agenda I was removed from the public Facebook group and blackballed within 12 hours in an act that appeared to be in retribution for having the temerity of sticking to Roberts' Rules in my challenge to his authority.

The Chair later took, in an email, personal responsibility for all of the acts of censorship and blackballing noted above.

That drew a motion from me, heard this evening, to censure the chair for violation of our Standing Rules, which require even and non-discriminatory enforcement of policy.  This was docketed and heard, but failed on a voice vote; the Libertarian Party of Florida's Executive Committee has thus spoken and stated that all of the admitted acts are deemed, by vote, acceptable conduct.

Recently I had also challenged the Chair's failure to notice Candidate Committees in a timely fashion on a motion from July that had I offered urging Libertarian Candidates to call for formal investigations and redress related to LIBOR and similar financial scams.  This motion passed after some modification and debate but no notice was given to the candidate committees. The Chair first tried to lay off his responsibility for the failure to provide that notice on me even though he is by definition (and formal declaration in the governing documents) the spokesman for the party.  I refused that assignment given the conditions he attached, including a demand that I not include the original text before modification (which included a penalty clause) along with the votes associated with that modification -- even though the minutes of our meetings are of course public.  The chair ultimately belatedly sent it himself without explanation for its tardiness.

That motion, by the way, was an attempt to apply pressure to candidates, including Gary Johnson, to do the right thing and take a strong position on financial fraud.

That's what State and local political parties and groups such as The Tea Party have as their essential purpose -- take principled stands on issues and then demand that candidates bring those positions with them when they win elective office and thus turn positions into formal government policy in exchange for the votes of the members. 

There is of course no point to filing motions and passing them if nobody is ever told of the outcome.

As a member of a deliberative body I agree to accept the rulings that come from deliberative process, debate and vote, even when I disagree with the majority.

However, I do not have to lend my association or future effort to that body if I find the outcome of those votes and what they represent repugnant.

That's my personal line in the sand and tonight it was crossed.

Many will undoubtedly argue that this all adds up to a "trivial" insult and thus I should overlook it; that the greater good of remaining within the organization and attempting to change it from the inside is a superior course of action to washing my hands and walking away.

But while the actual incident itself was trivial the principle involved is not.  Indeed, The Rule of Law and its even application is all we have to separate ourselves from animals, where might makes right and the ape with the largest club or the element of surprise takes the other from behind and beats him senseless or worse. 

I have spent the last five years writing The Ticker on exactly this point through all areas of our political system.  Whether it be banks, the health delivery complex, something "so simple" as "disappearance" of segregated funds, an act that just yesterday I heard a broker call, in a public venue in California, just cause for capital punishment (a sentiment with which I agree) or something "so trivial" as the uneven, arbitrary and "in the dark" censorship of material without even identifying the party responsible for doing so the bottom line is the same.

There are those who disagree with some of my policies on The Market Ticker and Tickerforum when it comes to how I run this place.  But the Ticker and its associated forum is not a state political party and I do not have an executive committee with a set of governing documents, standing rules and bylaws.  I instead have a TOS and a pretty-clear set of standards that leave little wiggle room, and do my level best to enforce those rules evenly.

But on that point, everything I do here -- and everything everyone else does here -- is logged and, if challenged, the record can be reviewed including who did what and when.

The Chair made clear this evening that my original motion (which he blacklisted) to require accountability and logging of enforcement actions, including the responsible parties, or any attempt to raise such a motion in the future would be ruled frivolous and not heard.

I find this stance flatly unacceptable; a public and accountable body must be exactly that.  One cannot hold a body to account if records are intentionally not kept and thus the persons responsible for a given action, the action itself and the reasons it was taken are not subject to review and challenge. 

There is a long and storied history of petty fiefdoms turning into not-so-petty ones.  Our nation has devolved into an ugly caricature of what our Founding Fathers intended and gave us, where policy, rule and law are invoked selectively in favor of some people and against others, often at pure whim.

I believed that the Libertarian Party of Florida stood as a light above this darkness, a beacon through the fog, where Liberty, founded through The Rule of Law and even application of the rules without fear or favor was the order of the day.  It was in this light and with this hope that I engaged the State Party, ran for elective office within the party and asked for and was given Committee Chairmanship over a reconciliation and re-write of the party's governing documents -- an admitted mess that had grown like a many-headed hydra through annual revisions yet was never cleaned up.

One can disagree with the policies and procedures within a body but so long as they are consistently applied the fact that you don't always win your fights is part of the game and how deliberative assemblies work.  I have offered and supported motions that have succeeded, and I have offered and supported motions that have failed.  That's politics and life in any assembly; you don't always get what you want or think is right.

But when a body adopts policy to intentionally not keep records and thus decisions become beyond review, challenge and reversal then The Rule of Law and indeed all claim to legitimacy and parliamentary procedure have been immediately and irretrievably lost.

Once the first step is taken down that road you find out what the character of an organization is truly like.  Either the members step up and put an immediate stop to this conduct, censuring the parties involved, or you have received fair warning that while today you may be favored and thus like the outcome, tomorrow you may not and the visage of an alleged assembly operating under Roberts' Rules, Standing Rules, Bylaws and a Constitution is nothing more than a convenient mask.

The dripping irony of courting Ron Paul voters who got screwed via the same sort of back-door crap within the GOP while our own State Party leadership was pulling this sort of stunt should be lost on absolutely nobody. 

If you're a Ron Paul supporter who recently heard the siren song of the LPF and are disappointed later don't say you weren't warned.

Life is too short to devote time to a deliberative body that in our own individual opinion fails to be internally self-consistent.  While I have thoroughly enjoyed my work with the LPF, even when various members of the party and its Executive Committee and I have disagreed on various points and taken diametrically-opposing points of view, I draw the line where policy is selectively ignored and intentions are stated to bury the identity and actions of those acting under color of authority of the body and by vote of the assembly these acts are given the imprint of legitimacy.  I should not, and neither should anyone else, have to wonder whether they stand in the "favored" or "disfavored" line on any given day; rather, we should all labor under the same rules and policies that are evenly enforced irrespective of the personalities involved and whether their opinion happens to match that of one or more of the other participants.

That is my baseline requirement to serve within such a body and unfortunately my attempt to remedy violations of that principle this evening met with failure.

It is thus with a heavy heart that I have tendered my resignation as an Executive Committee member of the Libertarian Party of Florida, effective this evening.

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Fraudster
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What can I say. You are trying to turn back 20-30 years of corruption and rot Karl. This rot manifests itself not just among the leadership, but also in the wider society. We can see it socially, politically, financially, economically, etc. Trying to fix a sclerotic and, now, un-reformable system is probably not possible at this point. We are on a down end of the American cycle and it just has to play out. The last decade for the adherence to the rule of law was the 80s. The final point to meaningfully deal with all of these challenges was about 25 years ago, and unfortunately I believe it is now too late.

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Good. Now start a new party based on the principles you believe in. I will join, and I will contribute both my time and money.

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this party has been infiltrated as the tea is ,bafoons of destuction

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I'm pleased at your public display of integrity.

You were true to your principles to the end- your call for investigation of the LIBOR scandal follows the same ideal of "stop the looting and start the prosecuting".

I just wish that your resignation would be a positive step in removing some of the corruption in our political system.

Have you concluded that political techniques wont work?

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So we have the shenanigans with the RNC and DNC. We have the Lib/3rd party folks shown as ineffectual. So, why not start the groundwork for a 3rd party, focusing on taking a stand on the economics? and bringing government back to the constitutional intent?
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Revolution may be the only answer.

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I had a hunch it wouldn't work out, Karl. You're not wired to belong to one of the known dysfunctional political parties. You'd be better off starting one of your own. They don't want newcomers telling them that their candidates and policies need further examination. They only want your buy-in and money. You might not have a political party but you still have your self-respect. And ours as well. I think you made a terrific decision. And thanks for your insight about what goes on behind the libertarian iron curtain. It's been educational for sure.

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You are not alone in your alienation from your party.

This weekend a Republican county chairman remarked on how dystopic it is to walk into his county headquarters office and sit down amid Romney campaign material. He might not even vote for Romney but is in a position of having to support this bad candidate who has been put upon him (the county chairman).

Another man and his wife told me that in his own case, he is supposed to take over as Republican chairman of their county. This man has just about decided to decline the position for the very reasons that he cannot support Romney or the actions of the RNC.
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The beginnings of a REAL 3rd Party:

Logo:
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Site:
http://federationist.org/

Platform:
http://federationist.org/platform.html

Forum:
http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?forum=Fe....

Where have YOU guys been?

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I am really sorry to hear this, Karl. Although I have little use for the Libertarian Party of Oregon, I was sincerely hoping that your involvement with the LPF would be productive.
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Good for you Karl.

As Dirty Harry Callahan said. "A man's got to know his limitations".

Me I think i'll be writing in Ron Paul for president.

My dad hasn't voted since 1985. Last president he voted for was Regan. He said voting "left a bitter taste in his mouth".

I feel I understand what that bitter taste is, and 2012 may be the last year I vote.
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KD -

Glad you realized that the Libertarian Party is not the answer.

Now we just have to debate what the real answer is going forward.
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Voting is not going to stop this train wreck. It's going to have to run it's final course. There's simply too much propaganda/money/power in the current system to fight it right now.

I'd urge everyone to get onto juries and vote there. The true definition of crime is something that causes other people harm, not whatever crooks in charge say the law is. Sitting on a jury and casting votes for true justice is basically the only effective way to resist our current system. And on a jury your vote actually counts :)

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Sorry that so much of your time spent on this could be blown out by some idiot who won't even follow the rules he swore (I assume) to follow.

It's the perfect microcosm of our macro system though...

Good luck on future endeavors.

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Karl, would you entertain an idea of organizing a new radio station with other like-minded folks? I think we can find common points with Mish, ZH, Ron Paul's followers etc. to make it work and hire a few hosts? Even if you have some disagreements we can forge some compromise. Maybe even grow into a TV outlet over time. I am sick of republican propaganda machine like Hennety an Limbaugh (not sure if I spelled them correctly, just what I heard). In 4 years we can make a dent in public opinion. I woukd be glad to give a hand as much as I can and many perhaps would be delighted to put car stickers with station wave #.

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Karl, I'm glad you keep trying to wake people up. I hope you can find a fourth way... and hope is all we have.

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WTF? Congrats on your enlightenment. The next step is to find all the folks "Going Galt" in Idaho, Montana, the Dakotas, Remote Desert Southwest, and of course the lion's share in Central & South America...then convince them to repatriate...errrrrrrr...good luck with that.

On second thought, I guess we are just about
doomed.

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Bailout-funder wrote..
The next step is to find all the folks "Going Galt" in ...


You can go Galt anywhere. Its a state of mind, not a physical location.
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Good **** Karl. You might have run upon the reason that many of the founding fathers hoped we wouldn't have political parties to start. Namely because the goal of all of them eventually becomes how to screw the rest of society out of what they have in favor of those in the party. Of course, this day and time, the screwers have become so powerful and corrupt that in order to get anywhere, all the parties kiss their asses rather than stand up to them. Money and medicine, not necessarily the doctors and most of the bankers, but the industries in general are where the true state corruption lies. They have all the big bananas too.

I recall reading that Frank Chodorov, who wrote a lot about politics, and was an old libertarian writer, refused to vote, namely because the aim of all this political crap was to win an election and do to others what he protested the state was doing in the first place. What we are voting for is which group gets to screw us. The old libertarian party was for abolishing most of this stuff. Now they want to be involved and fine tune it. Like you fine tune a sinking ship.

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Razz, you sure karl didn't write that Federalist.org platform?

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Quote:
Where have YOU guys been?


Please, don't lecture anyone...you were late to the 'party' - you got there when it became 'personal' - two mortgage's, etc...?

disclosure: I am not registered to vote...
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Everything useful gets infiltrated. Agitators talk the talk to get elected to responsible positions, then walk a different walk, with which they establish a small ruling clique.

Logging everything would illustrate the degree to which the infiltration has happened, and list those infiltrators by name. No wonder 'it ain't going to happen'.

This may sound paranoid and 'conspiracy theorist', but I have now come across chapter and verse of the exact same playbook used in incredibly diverse areas of our Societies.

Our shooting organisations over here for example, have been infiltrated by activists, to the point they even fund rigged studies and write reports that are used against the interests of their own memberships, by the rabid anti's. They will develop a report with the full contribution of the board and members, then when that report is complete, they will add extra paragraphs which rarely get spotted (when you have been through a report time and time again prior to a final vote, people think they know everything that is in it, and don't particularly want to see it again, then if it is spotted, the person is inferred to be an idiot, because the whole Board voted on it, including himself). Anybody that turns out to be a threat to them, is 'disgraced' or driven to the point of frustration, and forced out.

This has happened to Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, WWF, RSPCA (spotted by one of their biggest fundraisers over 25 years ago), RSPB, BASC (I spotted it in BASC over 25 years ago and immediately cancelled my membership), our Scientific Bodies (Royal Society, etc), charities, local Government, National Government, etc., anything in fact, that has any measure of influence, and which funnels cash. Heck it's even been done to the already extremist organisation, League Against Cruel Sports.

If you have to have an investigation, their resources run to "How big a tin of whitewash do you want".

This guy, a co-founder of GreenPeace, is among so many that now know what has been done to them, and what is going on:
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/173959665....

We are aiding and abetting the enemy combatants that are actively waging war against us (cold, though they are itching to turn it hot, but there aren't nearly enough of them, so they use knives in the back, propaganda, lies, deliberate scaremongering and bullying, instead, and the yellow streak down their backs is so big, you can land jump jets on it), with our own money, and we end up voting for them, because they are pretty much now the only ones allowed on the main Party ballots as candidates.

There really aren't that many of them (but far more than Mr McCarthy even dreamed of in his worst nightmares, as the released KGB papers showed - it is past time that it is recognised that Mr McCarthy was on the right track, but wrong in the degree of what was going on, because it was far worse than even he feared), but they have been very organised, for a very long time, with a simple playbook (and once you recognise that playbook, it is disturbing the extent to which you see it being used). Heck even Vladimir Putin has warned not to go down this insane path, which damaged Russia so badly!

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
Cicero

Every table in the Casino is rigged. Every table outside the Casino is rigged too. When people eventually find out (and they always do), it ends Civilisations (our World is littered with prior examples, stretching back into the distant past).

Sadly, we can't seem to be able to save these people from themselves (I have tried to get through to them for over 30 years now, and they really don't want to hear how their agenda inevitably ends), but we 'might' be able to save ourselves from 'them' (but the odds of that happening are getting all too slim, and time, is about out).

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If your enemy is temperamental, seek to irritate him.

Looks like you slapped a hand that was in the pharma cookie jar.

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Ps: Check the IP address on that Federationist web site smiley

There's change in the wind.....

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