Just as costs are increasing at an exponential rate so is population.
The last number I dredged up was 2.6 percent for the US.

Mathematics doesn't care about religion or so called scientific pie in
the sky solutions to growth.
The draconian solutions that have been implemented in China may soon
arrive in the rest of the world, if inaction continues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_p....

The population is not rising at an exponential rates. Much of the global population is getting older and the population growth is a function of living longer not exponential birth rates. The world population is going to top out around 8-9B and then contract starting around 2050.

That fact has its own set of problems as a ponzi economy has been built around the theory of exponential population growth. The population can't keep up with the spending or the promises made to the past.

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There isn't any way to spin this one..

One of the first reports out stated that it was the loss of government jobs that was causing the problem...

That seems to be the canned response for all bad job reports these days.

Oystercatcher wrote..

Just as costs are increasing at an exponential rate so is population.
The last number I dredged up was 2.6 percent for the US.

Population growth in the US isn't due to native birth rate, it is almost exclusively a product of our insane immigration policy over the last 47 years. We continue to encourage the world's excess of predominately poorly educated/low skilled people to come join the "party in the USA".

Both Dems and GOPers encourage this madness at the expense of their constituents, for different reasons (Dems for increased political power through demographic change, GOPers for cheap exploitable labor to increase private profitability while socializing costs).

As I have stated before, I firmly believe there isn't a single important domestic issue or problem that our immigration policy doesn't make worse. And yet it has the overwhelming support of the vast majority of our political leaders.

And so it goes.

Whewt,

The state and local job losses are a function of lower property tax revenue and state sales tax caused by decrease in MEW and house values. Basically Obama is like a salmon trying to swim up a river filled with spring meltwater.

Geschrei,

Immigrant population increases also help the entitlement system. They are generally younger. Both parties don't want to cut entitlements and immigration, both legal and illegal, is way to prolong the inevitable.

Now back to guns, gays and god

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(summer hires tend to be laid off in September, not August!)

I don't know about nationally, but school (both grade and college) started earlier than ever here in Iowa.

Some were back in school in mid-August.

Our local amusement/waterpark had to (unexpectedly) close down a notable amount of attractions due to a severe shortage of high school and college kids that had to go back to school.

If that happened nationwide, then it's definitely a "piece" of the unemployed number.

I have decided that this economic mess will continue indefinitely and the only thing that will stop it is nature, not math. By that I mean the insane exponential growth in everything especially population will come crashing down and the cause will be nature. Some disease will come to cleanse the earth or perhaps a meteor or some other natural disaster. That is the only thing that will stop the insanity.

From a back topic.

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OBAMA: "I'll use the money we're no longer spending on war to pay down our debt and put more people back to work - rebuilding roads and bridges, schools and runways. After two wars that have cost us thousands of lives and over a trillion dollars, it's time to do some nation-building right here at home."

Literally: We know that's a lie.

Metaphorically: I understand the point he was making. That instead of trillions in deficit spending to fund war; let's spend it right here in the USA to put people to work building the infrastructure we need to dominate the global markets of the future.

I know, I know, you cannot deficit spend your way to prosperity. But this was a political speech and promising to "invest" in America sounds/sells a hell of a lot better than spreading "American Exceptionalism" to Muslims at the point of gun.

This also reinforces to me the (nearly sole) reason I'll be voting for Obama; his proven track record of not rushing our kids into the meat grinder of war...

World population growth figure from google

1.2 percent - using rule of 72 population doubling time is 60 years

current world population 7 billion in 2012
doubling of the population in 2072 to 14 billion, repeat, lather and rinse

another link

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/9452

Debtpie - tell me how that works out for you. Obama will start another war at the drop of a hat if he's told to by his handlers.

This brings me to another point - while I'm sure that most all presidents have taken their orders from TPTB it seems like for the last 11 years we don't even have a President who looks like he's in charge of his staff, his handlers, etc. It truly has looked (except for a few instances for Bush2) like our President is the press secretary making announcements for the puppet masters.

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Debtpie - tell me how that works out for you. Obama will start another war at the drop of a hat if he's told to by his handlers.

Obama, Romney, that's the biggest difference I can come up with that really matters to me; and it's based upon experience rather than hope/promises.

The Romney path adds $2.1 Trillion to the military budget. Romney says he's "OK" with troops in Syria in order to "prevent the spread of WMD's"... Russia is our "number one geopolitical foe"..."Iran is..."....he's beating the drums hard...no thanks.

There was a LOT of pressure for us to "take action" in Libya; Obama resisted; finally caving to Italy and France with a token military gesture..in the end, KaDaffy got a broom handle in his ass and bullet in his head...no Americans on the ground...A+ Obama.

uhhhh... there were lots of Americans (OGA and SOF) on the ground in Libya.

Obama did enough in Libya. Seems I recall him dropping bombs and sending in arms. Bet the new boss won't be much different than the old boss there.

Seems there are a lot of idiot reasons for unemployment being offered. Waterparks? What about hiring for the back to school sales, probably a 10X of the water park layoffs.

If I hear one more time another QE to fix this, I might start shooting randomly. This is one more pile of bull**** being sold as a solution. It aids bankers in stealing more of our property and little else. QE is because the banks don't have the credit to back their credit and little else. There is no shortage of reserves and the idea of QE and more spending is being followed up with the insane idea of a negative interest rate. Give me my money, screw the banks.

They are trying to pour water in a flooded river, thinking that might solve the flood. The debt ATM, represented by home equity leverage has run out of cash. They can stabilize the housing market, but they can't put equity in the homes to create more cash. Plus, are there really any outfits that want to lend long and borrow short against mortgages again? Liguidity out the window, as they couldn't give these instruments away in 2008-2009. Bennie had to buy them.

So, now we have the government finance bubble and Bennie is trying to push it to the limit, along with Congress. The ECB is going to go bankrupt trying to keep their finance bubble inflated and the market is celebrating. Anything to avoid the truth that paper money can only be backed by debt and can only continue to exist in a compound growth equation or the whole system falls apart.

>Seems there are a lot of idiot reasons for unemployment being offered. Waterparks?

Surely not the sole cause, just one thing I noticed that if carried nationally it would add up to 10's of thousands at least being counted in the "Not working" camp.

>What about hiring for the back to school sales, probably a 10X of the water park layoffs.

Something I noticed there too...

Instead of hiring more help, the local Sams Club installed 8 self checkout lanes...and assigned 1 person to man them...600 Clubs in the USA...times 7...4200 new "digital" hires...ding.

We will never have any change when you have people like Debtpie use all their mental powers and then come to the conclusion that they will vote for Obama. Talk about the inability to understand the facts and then use logic. It boggles my mind how ignorant most humans are. I never thought of myself as being especially brilliant, but after what I've learned and seen over the last 4 years, I think I am. But only by default. It's because everyone else is so deficient.

Crzymorse wrote..

Immigrant population increases also help the entitlement system. They are generally younger. Both parties don't want to cut entitlements and immigration, both legal and illegal, is way to prolong the inevitable.

Which is ironic in light of the fact that the 'inevitable' has been moving gradually closer in the timeline despite adding an average of a million naturalized citizens a year for the past 30 years or so. Doesn't make sense, does it?

Perhaps the data in one of my previous posts will shed some light:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?single....

You can't replace productive high-income retirees with marginally employed manual laborers and expect to 'prolong the inevitable'. Since the new Americans tend to cost more in government services than they contribute in taxes anyway, our continuing to import millions more into a collapsing job market is even more suicidal. And I'm only talking about LEGAL immigrants - adding in the undocumented makes the problem worse.

Anyone know where specifically I can find the sum of all workers' wages by month historically in the USA?

"Debtpie" wrote..

Obama, Romney, that's the biggest difference I can come up with that really matters to me; and it's based upon experience rather than hope/promises.

If I thought that this difference really existed, I might be tempted to join you, but Obama's still in Afghanistan, fought to stay in Iraq past the withdrawal date until finally forced to accept it (but still keeps a base and "contractors" there as if that doesn't count), got involved in Libya, and still brags (as of last night's Biden speech even) about assassinating Bin Laden, as if this is a Hollywood movie or video game, and Bin Laden was the "end boss". Bin Laden's death hasn't caused one more soldier to come home or one less dollar of debt to spent on the war effort. In fact, it was, and still is, used to justify our endless war. It was a propaganda killing solely for the US public, not one that accomplished any tactical or strategic objective.

There is no appreciable difference between the Democrats and Republicans when it comes to the military-industrial complex. Especially when the "war on terror" is used alongside the drug war to justify the ever-increasing police state here at home, where cops are now a (increasingly federally funded) paramilitary organization occupying the US, waging war against the citizenry. Obama has not done anything to slow this, and it has in fact increased appreciably on his watch.

And here is the sort of garbage that "informs" voters, those who actaully bother to READ anything about the subject anyway:

Weak jobs growth beyond government's control

http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news/20....

It is, of course, fully within their "control" if they'd simply stop doing what they're currently doing to prevent a proper market correction and actually enforce the rule of law for everyone, not just us.

debtpie wrote..

This also reinforces to me the (nearly sole) reason I'll be voting for Obama; his proven track record of not rushing our kids into the meat grinder of war...

He did, however, promise to throw the castle gates open to the encircling barbarian hordes after the election.

Instead of rushing our kids into the meat grinder of war, he'll rush the whole country into it.

"Don't vote for Romney - he'll get us into a war".

A lot of people remarked a half-century-or-so-ago "They told me that if I voted for Goldwater we'd end up in a land war in Asia ... I voted for Goldwater, and sure enough, we ended up in a land war in Asia".

Disclaimer: I am by no means a fan of anyone who was considered acceptable by the same electorate that put John Kerry and Ted Kennedy into the Senate and kept them there for decades.

Folks are coming of age - that have never really worked...or have been underemployed (by their highfalutin standards) for a long time ...wonder what their TF names are...

OysterCatcher,

Using historic growth rates to predict future grow is what got everybody in trouble in the first place. House prices only go up right? How is your 401k the last 10 years, did it get the historic 8% annual return for stocks over the past century? Let me know.

I just don;t get it, the worst participation rate in 30 years and the market still rallies!, so what if they QE, whatever that will be, how the fxxk is this bullish?
The moment when the world accepts this is the biggest Ponzi scheme ever cannot be far off???

Until we create some middle class jobs we won't ever prosper as a country again. The only reasonable answer that I've seen is Gen's. Free trade with any country that doesn't manipulate currency, follows reasonable environmental standards and pays a living wage. Other countries can pay tariffs. Pretty simple stuff actually.

Geschrei,

Yep 279,000 kids a year at 12k per student is a mere 43 B per year in the public school system in any given year (K-12). O