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Soros
Posts: 3119
Incept: 2007-08-31
La La Land
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So long and thanks for all the fish.
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Vicious_cycle
Posts: 253
Incept: 2009-03-10
Chardon, OH
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bilge
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Sparticlebrane
Posts: 287
Incept: 2009-08-25
Banned
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Why the hell do they need "permission" to open an MRI center?
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Genesis
Posts: 130798
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Because you LET the State pass laws requiring it!
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Xqqme
Posts: 627
Incept: 2009-01-09
Ohio
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Political interference with the actuarial treatment of risk has converted insurance into semi-gov't, fascist social welfare enterprise.
Thomas Sowell
(Of course, the politicians were influenced by the lobbyists. And the folks are being taught to believe that 'health care is a right'...and round and round we go )
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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Had a client once who had gotten a shard of steel in his eyeball in some kind of industrial accident. Surprisingly, it didn't affect his vision, though. Later, he had to have an MRI for something totally unrelated. He brought up the steel sliver in his eye, but the technicians brushed it off. Apparently the magnets in the MRI caused the steel shard to tear through his optic nerve, blinding him in that eye.
I would think that licensing MRI operations would make sense to reduce the odds of that kind of idiocy. Licensing, but not limiting the overall number of MRI's.
Also, this partially blinded guy's then-wife was a real skank who used to pick up guys at the bar and bone 'em in their marital house - where they had kids. I don't know what that has to do with it, but I figured it needed mentioning. Ol' Blind-Eye Cuckold.
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Crzymorse
Posts: 1195
Incept: 2010-06-25
Maryland
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Health care is just a feeding frenzy. Karl is just scratching the surface. It only gets more horrifying. Wheelchair rentals (if you think a pentagon $500 screwdriver is offensive), bottled oxygen, car service, generic drug prices.
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Advise01
Posts: 50
Incept: 2011-08-02
Tampa
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Certificate of Need aka CON to con the tax payers out of more money created by CONgress to limit growth and help keep cost lower. Only in the free America it would make sense that the government would allow capitalism to run free and allow individuals and companies to compete to bring better pricing and innovation to the marketplace. Oh I am sorry CONgress does not let unfettered competition but believes limited growth and not allowing new business to enter the market would keep the cost lower. http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/heal....Quote: “Certificate of Need (C.O.N.) programs are aimed at restraining health care facility costs and allowing coordinated planning of new services and construction.”
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"Few political gifts are more richly rewarded, than the ability to convince parasites that they are victims."
- Dr. Thomas Sowell
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Ignorantsavage
Posts: 702
Incept: 2007-11-27
united States
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Mortgageguymn wrote..I would think that licensing MRI operations would make sense to reduce the odds of that kind of idiocy By that logic, there shouldn't be any motor vehicle accidents, since all motorists are supposed to be licensed. Stop trying to fix government-caused problems with more government. Let the free market work both ways: let people accept more risk for less cost and stop protecting businesses from failure. The proper free-market result from your story is that the MRI place ends up paying through the nose for the loss of the man's eye, and their business traffic slows way down or stops altogether as word gets out that those idiots at that one MRI place blinded that one guy. |
Eaglewwit
Posts: 6054
Incept: 2007-11-30
SoCal
Banned
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Karl all this country has left are lies. Don't expect it to stop anytime soon.
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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"By that logic, there shouldn't be any motor vehicle accidents, since all motorists are supposed to be licensed."
Not true. By that logic there should be fewer accidents. Which there probably are.
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Ignorantsavage
Posts: 702
Incept: 2007-11-27
united States
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Mortgageguymn,
"Probably" is a loaded term when you're talking about directly infringing the rights of individuals in a society under the rule of law established to preserve individuals' rights.
By the same token that you use, it is my opinion that there are more motor vehicle collisions BECAUSE of drivers' licenses: since a driver like yourself assumes that 1. licensing of drivers reduces incidents of collisions and 2. that most other drivers have licenses, said driver is prone to drive with less caution than he might otherwise if he did not hold such assumptions, therefore being at greater risk of either hitting someone else or being hit himself.
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End_the_bubbles
Posts: 9525
Incept: 2009-03-25
The New 3rd World
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Quote:Because you LET the State pass laws requiring it! And why the **** are people still following "laws"?
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In the long run even the most despotic governments with all their brutality and cruelty are no match for ideas. Eventually the ideology that has won the support of the majority will prevail and cut the ground from under the tyrant's feet and rise in rebellion to overthrow their masters.
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Ignorantsavage
Posts: 702
Incept: 2007-11-27
united States
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End_the_bubbles,
Many/most elected officials are not, leastwise not Constitutional laws.
The rest of the little people usually try to follow all laws (unConstitutional or not) simply because they are gunned down, otherwise. If they're not gunned down outright, they are treated harshly by a system that demands complete submission in lieu of a gunning down.
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Mdporter
Posts: 560
Incept: 2008-02-26
San Jose, CA
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Because you LET the State pass laws requiring it!
I can't recall ever being given an opportunity to vote on something like that. If it was known in CA that the legislature was going to vote on it, I'd call and encourage a no vote. but since I am not giving $1,000,000 to the politician I'm sure my request would be ignored.
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Marvinmartian
Posts: 754
Incept: 2011-03-16
Pasadena, CA
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certificate-of-need sounds like its out of Atlas Shrugged.
Another example of art imitating life,
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Musicandnature
Posts: 1955
Incept: 2007-12-05
NJ
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I used to think the 'big oil' lobby was bad- until began working in pharma and seeing/hearing healthcare stories there and here on TF. Of course the politcons won't bring this up. They are just the lackeys for every industry imaginable; I suspect very few give a damn about 'the people.' They should get sponsorship patches for their suits like Nascar vehicles so we know which companies they represent. (credit to TF member mayorquimby for this thought from the bar I am borrowing, and washingtonsblog) http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/s....
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Since it costs a lot to win, and even more to lose, You and me bound to spend some time wonder'n what to choose. Goes to show, you don't ever know, watch each card you play and play it slow...Wait until that deal come round, don't you let that deal go down, no no. Garcia/Hunter.
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Hogman
Posts: 7874
Incept: 2008-02-18
Derby City, USA
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Damn Karl you had to get me started again
(thank you)
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Asimov
Posts: 104066
Incept: 2007-08-26
East Tennessee Eastern Time
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Karl: You're being redundant. They are politicians. Not only are they consummate actors, they make a profession out of lying.
Good ticker, btw.
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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.
If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
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Joshua_d
Posts: 163
Incept: 2010-08-26
Lenoir, NC
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As far as people "letting" the state pass laws, I'm starting to tend to give people a lot more leeway and benefit of the doubt. Like someone mentioned above, I didn't let anyone pass anything.
This system has been created over 100+ years of little law after little law. Our political process was truly corrupted from the start because Man is corrupt. Adams passed the Alien and Sedition Act, right? Our political system, and every system connected to it has also become a sham and way for people to steal from other people.
But, we're just too dammed reliant on a paycheck, and as such, we just go on stealing from the next guy because everyone else does. The lying won't stop until people get desperate enough to start killing the liars. It's that simple. When the court system is corrupt and the law no longer applies, then people will take justice into their own hands. That guy who shot his boss in NY, that's just the start. We can expect more of that.
Tyranny never stops just because you stand up and say, "I don't like this any more. Please stop."
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Critter
Posts: 538
Incept: 2008-01-26
iowa
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i have to believe the more predominant form of cost shifting which increases medical costs comes from the collection agencies who set the prices for premiums
for your coverage. that would be your health insurance company which charges and sets premiums according to what their actuaries tell them.
actuaries divide people into demographic groups in order to get the best bang for their buck. those wizards of math most likely are dividing and conquering mass profits according to laws such as mentioned in the ticker.
but even when not the fact is we are all made of the same junk with inury,and entropy ruling till our enivitable death. sharing the risk should not be divided into groups or qualify for a higher premium just because your kid may have parkinsons. i'd bet premiums would be diluted to less if figured "accross the board."
no different than our consent to pay higher taxes, health premiums being paid also comes from our consent. my bad, i guess to resent other's consent to allow 10 bucks an hour as their premium cost. but that 10 per hour comes from a global company where an actuary knows he can get it.
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Ampsucker
Posts: 1493
Incept: 2009-08-05
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This same thing has been going on with nursing homes in Missouri for 20+ years. If you want to open a new residential care facility or nursing home, you have to prove to the State the local need for more beds.
I had always assumed this is because the State didn't want to have to manage/license/inspect more homes, not because it drove the price up. But, you are right Karl, that is exactly what it does. It stifles competition and protects the current providers from having to slash operating budgets.
It's like once you are in, you are part of the "dealer network" and can't undercut the competition.
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Lowbeyond
Posts: 16938
Incept: 2008-02-11
CO aka West NJ/East CA
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Quote:It stifles competition and protects the current providers from having to slash operating budgets. This is what the State does. Its not just medical centers. It is everything that has a permit attached. Taxis, bagel sales, coffee sales, hot dog stands, everything. Don't buy one and your neighbor pig will come and threaten to kill you. Permits of course are just common sense, after all. Fools
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Maybe it was a birdy bread-bomber from the future?!
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