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Otiswild
Posts: 5621
Incept: 2009-03-09
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I would also say that _any_ felon, once they've served their full sentence, should have their full rights restored. If people think that that's an injustice, then sentences need to be extended until justice is fully served, and if that means society thinks a larger class of felonies need to be punished with life imprisonment, then so be it. But once justice is served, and the debt to society paid in full, then that person becomes a free citizen again, and is entitled to the rights and privileges of a free citizen, or else they're never free and the sentence is never complete, which is fundamentally unjust.
(I tend to be very skeptical of the State having the power over life and death, which is why I'd rather citizens be armed and defend themselves with justifiably deadly force. Every crim shot dead is one less for taxpayers to house and feed.)
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Avianphlu
Posts: 3951
Incept: 2008-12-03
Ulster NY
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great ticker Karl...so much money to be made by TPTB
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Sean
Posts: 1766
Incept: 2009-04-21
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Quote:Drug peddling that our government itself is involved in ... My dad was working as a contracted janitor in an FBI field office here in AZ and told me that he said he got to talking with an FBI agent in 1981 in said office and said that the FBI agent told him that the fed gov does not to 'win' the war on drugs for various reasons.
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* I think Ann Barnhardt is more and more right. God help us! * Progressives / Marxists / Communists are many things, STUPID and IMPATIENT are not two of them. * A hot civil war is coming. * And people wonder why I prep!
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Crzymorse
Posts: 1191
Incept: 2010-06-25
Maryland
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I have to disagree with you Karl. Canada has a very different philosophy on drug crimes. No mandatory sentences with a strong emphasis on treatment. I believe black on black murder statistics are similar to the united states.
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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Genesis
Posts: 130747
Incept: 2007-06-26
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I can make reasonably certain there are no gun crimes in a city.
All I need to do is forcibly search every person, every home, every business and every vehicle every day.
Are you willing to live in such a place?
Especially when your wife is then raped by a 6'4" 250lb goon and has nothing with which to resist?
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Vitaeus
Posts: 53
Incept: 2010-10-05
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hmm, give government more power to fix a problem they created with their other policies, sounds like a loss for all citizen's to me.
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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I think that's called reductio ad absurdum. Don't get me wrong. I'm not sure that Stop & Frisk could be implemented without being constitutionally problematic, but maybe it could be in select crime-ridden areas when there's a reasonable suspicion of criminality by those frisked. That's a long way from every home every day, though. Also, in theory, Stop & Frisk wouldn't preclude one having a permit to carry. I know some have a problem with needing a permit to carry. I honestly haven't thought that one through and am open to arguments.
Getting rid of laws against drugs doesn't seem to me that it would get rid of the desire of some youts to become thugs for the sake of notoriety. There'll always be SOME law they can break and some inclination to use a gun in order to prove themselves tough.
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Genesis
Posts: 130747
Incept: 2007-06-26
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But there's no money in it if you get rid of the drug laws. That's where the fuel for all this crap comes from.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Crzymorse
Posts: 1191
Incept: 2010-06-25
Maryland
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I'm pretty sure that the informatic tools exist to profile you into extremely high risk pools for crime. Even the Joker was on the radar for potential violence, an informatic look at his purchases and online behaviour would have augmented the psych report. **** we could have drone striked him on the way to the movie theater. Stop and Frisk is going to be childs play in about 5 years.
I'll read an article that Target Stores can profile in on and identify pregnant women through their purchase histories and other databases available for sale. Then they can focus their advertising towards baby gear and infant formula without the woman even knowing she has been targeted.
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2661
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
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If the "allowed" drug cartels are buying treasuries with the proceeds then illegal drugs become a form of taxation and deficit spending support for our nation. Don't expect it to end anytime soon.
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Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro.
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Jb350
Posts: 359
Incept: 2011-06-10
Detroit metro
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When your role models sing "imma bust a cap in yo ass" and "slappin them hos" it is only logical to expect their behavior to be more criminal than those whose role models sing "I wanna rock and roll all night... and party every day". Not that Kiss is a great role model... In fact you could make the same comparisons between Kiss and a band from the 1950s. And this is just music. There are other forms of cultural manipulation at work here. I say "manipulation" because that is exactly what it is. The rich white guys put that crap out there for a reason.
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Mo
Posts: 12158
Incept: 2007-06-26
Pa.
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My mother witnessed several knife fights among black 14 and 15 year olds when she was in high school. That would have been c. 1930. The homicide rate in that community isn't related to drugs.
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Vars
Posts: 487
Incept: 2009-06-28
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Bottom line:
“When People Lose Everything, They Have Nothing Left To Lose, And They Lose It” -Gerald Celente
One can go back in history and point out many things which facilitated the loss of wealth, health and sovereignty of the general population. The war on drugs is just one of those. On the top of my list is taxation without representation.
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Hikaruwsulu
Posts: 33
Incept: 2010-01-16
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Amen! Excellent post. (I also thought the recent post on manufacturers abandoning China for even lower wage countries was spot on.)
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Redwolf
Posts: 745
Incept: 2010-05-23
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Black on black felony assault rates are pretty much the same world wide(A bit worse in Africa). They're just more violent than other groups. You'd find the same is true about low murder rates with the Japanese people everywhere and so forth. If you want to put a lid on violence then you're going to need to oppress people who have poor impulse control. Edit: Stuff like this isn't caused by drugs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmjBoSe2F....
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Ftboomer1
Posts: 26
Incept: 2010-09-29
jacksonville, FL
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Is it possible that the problem is with black culture itself? I don't see any great African culture rising out of the ashes of colonialism. In fact, as the "brutal" whites have been forced to leave Africa they have been replaced with even more brutal regimes that have very little respect for life. The video from the SA strike is a great example. There was not going to be many survivors from that hail of bullets rained into the swarming crowd. It could very well be that without the opressive thumb of forced civility the blacks are simply a brutish bunch.
I am very aware of the non-PCness of this but I am rather sick of this crap. I am not happy with the random wildings that are becoming more common and this is not going to end well. If you doubt me please feel free to go to a black neighborhood when the welfare checks stop in a few years. You do that and I will go to the poorest white neighborhoods in west Virginia and we will see who comes out alive.
Reason: Mis spelling
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Wootendw
Posts: 38
Incept: 2010-01-28
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I support the legalization of drugs as I believe that adult individuals have the right to do what they want when they are on their own property or on the property of someone who permits it.
However, I wonder what drug dealers in ghetto areas would do if they couldn't make money peddling drugs. With minimum wage laws and little protection for jobs-providing businesses in the ghettos, I suspect most drug peddlers would be unable to land jobs and would find some other criminal activities to earn a living on such as robbery which would be worse than drug peddling. At least drug peddlers learn business and money management skills.
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Noodleman
Posts: 2391
Incept: 2008-11-01
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It's been clear for over a couple decades that the war on drugs is unwinnable. They're taking 8-balls off the street while low flying aircraft drop tons in the desert for pick-up. It's a joke. For every dealer they pop 2 more show up to take his place. Anybody with a brain must ask the burning question "What's the real intention of the 'war on drugs'?". The inner-city kids on the street corners don't have a chance. If the cops don't pop 'em their gang rivals will. The gov knows it's futile. But it's a money maker across the board. That's the driver.
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"Ammunition beats persuasion when you are looking for freedom." Will Rogers, 4 Nov 1879 - 15 Aug 1935
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Luvs_footie
Posts: 2423
Incept: 2007-11-26
Australia
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Nevertoolate
Posts: 1219
Incept: 2007-08-26
San Antonio de Bexar de runover with illegals, Texas
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Let's not forget the intellectual property problem. Treaty could be a solution, but enforcement? How about all trade is immediately stopped by all countries to the violating country? Has to be such a hammer that one cannot afford to go there.
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"Socialist never mind stealing, as long as they are the ones doing the stealing. They never mind lying, as long as they are doing the lying."-Mannfm11
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Pj
Posts: 1211
Incept: 2009-12-07
Putnam County, New York
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Karl I have to disagree with you here on this. There are certain social pathologies that exist in these poor black areas, and legalizing drugs won't change a thing.
One of the biggest social pathologies is the black fatherless rate, currently about 66% across the nation and even higher in poor high crime areas. Do you think legalizing drugs will cause these men to all of a sudden say "hey drugs are legal, I think I'll start being a father to my child now?" I'm not trying to be sarcastic or confrontational, I'm trying to point out how these issues are not related.
You're a parent. So am I and many others here. Everyday you write here about the various injustices and wrongdoings that you see in the world around you. Have you ever used those injustices as a reason to not be a father to your child?
The black community is as close as you can get to the Progressive ideology that minimizes the male role in the family and favors a collective approach to the economy and to raising children. The result is an abject failure as anyone can see. The gov't is VERY MUCH involved in the lives of black America: from public housing to public assistance and taxpayer funded healthcare to provide for their basic needs to public education, and where has it gotten them?
As for education, we spend about 10K per student a yr in many cities and the poverty rates and unemployment rate and dropout rate remains high in these communities. Legalizing drugs won't change the fact that education is NOT valued in the inner city. Having a mother and father around working to raise these kids would go MUCH further towards getting their community's priorities in order.
Black America has and continues to participate in this failed Progressive Social experiment, and until they stand up and get off of the gov't plantation, nothing will change.
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When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.” Edward Gibbon
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Krzelune
Posts: 5513
Incept: 2007-10-08
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If we really want to solve the murder problem we should legalize it.
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The desire of millions, the inconvenience of millions, the suffering of millions, the death of millions, does not concern them because of the evolutionary humanist lens they peer through.
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Jake3463
Posts: 769
Incept: 2010-03-06
Allentown
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There is too much money being made by people in government and the private sector from young black people killing each other for there to be a conversation.
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