Are We Adult Enough To Ask "Why?", Then Act?
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Posted 2012-08-18 18:32
by Karl Denninger
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Are We Adult Enough To Ask "Why?", Then Act?
 

I wonder how long it will take....

Although the U.S. murder rate has been dropping for years, an analysis of homicide data by The Wall Street Journal found that the number of black male victims increased more than 10%, to 5,942 in 2010 from 5,307 in 2000.

Overall, more than half the nation's homicide victims are African-American, though blacks make up only 13% of the population. Of those black murder victims, 85% were men, mostly young men.

You don't often see the press point this out.  Most murders are black-on-black.  Young, black men murdering other young, black men.  I've written on this before and until we take this on, and then act on the precursors to the problem and put a stop to them we will never see a solution.

The precursor is the drug war and an eviscerated manufacturing section of our economy that offers few good jobs for those who are not "rocket scientists."

But there is an economy that offers riches and "street cred."  It's drug peddling.  Drug peddling that our government itself is involved in, including explicit permission, it is alleged, for various Mexican cartels. 

Let's face reality -- guns are expensive and so is ammunition.  Very expensive, when you don't have a good job.  They are turned into tools, status symbols, means of "expression" like gold grills in kids' teeth, the latter of which we have among high schoolers these days.

We're never going to solve this problem with "more police, more interdiction, more stop-n-frisks, more evisceration of fundamental liberty interests."

We will stop it if and when we stop using the jack boot of government to enable 15 year old black youth the means by which they can afford a pistol, the ammunition to feed it and a reason to use it. 

But that requires that we start treating people like Eric Holder as the criminals that they are, holding them to account as accessories and co-conspirators to the drug running and gang shootings that take place because of our government policies on drugs and our explicit permission granted to certain cartels to run them. 

It means that we recognize that the government has no right to dictate what you do in the privacy of your own home, freeing up half or more of our prisons and expunging every drug-related (but not violence-related) record from our legal system so those individuals with no other than non-violent drug records are able to return to the productive workforce rather than be toilet-bowl cleaners in perpetuity.  It means treating drug addiction as a personal medical issue that comes with no right of government intercession until and unless one threatens to or does harm another, exactly as we do with alcohol.  It means returning to the roots of the Second Amendment, so that every law-abiding citizen can be armed, wherever and whenever they want, for the explicit purpose of not being an unarmed victim. And it means locking up violent offenders, whether they be robbers, rapists or murderers until they are no longer a threat -- and never, ever giving them more than one "second chance."

And finally, it means that we have to stop pretending that shipping our manufacturing labor offshore to what amount to slave camps in foreign nations, where they poison the air, water and land, abuse the population with the help of those governments and then move on as soon as it becomes unprofitable is either sustainable or wise in terms of what it means for either them or us and our people -- because it is simply a fact that not everyone is a rocket scientist, and we need good, decent, honest jobs to be available for people of all levels of personal ability.

We're not ready to do any of that, and until we are, this problem is not solvable.

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I would also say that _any_ felon, once they've served their full sentence, should have their full rights restored. If people think that that's an injustice, then sentences need to be extended until justice is fully served, and if that means society thinks a larger class of felonies need to be punished with life imprisonment, then so be it. But once justice is served, and the debt to society paid in full, then that person becomes a free citizen again, and is entitled to the rights and privileges of a free citizen, or else they're never free and the sentence is never complete, which is fundamentally unjust.

(I tend to be very skeptical of the State having the power over life and death, which is why I'd rather citizens be armed and defend themselves with justifiably deadly force. Every crim shot dead is one less for taxpayers to house and feed.)
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great ticker Karl...so much money to be made by TPTB
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Drug peddling that our government itself is involved in ...


My dad was working as a contracted janitor in an FBI field office here in AZ and told me that he said he got to talking with an FBI agent in 1981 in said office and said that the FBI agent told him that the fed gov does not to 'win' the war on drugs for various reasons.

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I have to disagree with you Karl. Canada has a very different philosophy on drug crimes. No mandatory sentences with a strong emphasis on treatment. I believe black on black murder statistics are similar to the united states.

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Aside from the "legalize all drugs" issue, it does seem like "stop & frisk" might actually work:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872....

If that doesn't work, then here:

http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2012/08/13....

Whether Stop & Frisk is an unreasonable intrusion on liberty or not, it seems that it could be said to work.
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I can make reasonably certain there are no gun crimes in a city.

All I need to do is forcibly search every person, every home, every business and every vehicle every day.

Are you willing to live in such a place?

Especially when your wife is then raped by a 6'4" 250lb goon and has nothing with which to resist?

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hmm, give government more power to fix a problem they created with their other policies, sounds like a loss for all citizen's to me.
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I think that's called reductio ad absurdum. Don't get me wrong. I'm not sure that Stop & Frisk could be implemented without being constitutionally problematic, but maybe it could be in select crime-ridden areas when there's a reasonable suspicion of criminality by those frisked. That's a long way from every home every day, though. Also, in theory, Stop & Frisk wouldn't preclude one having a permit to carry. I know some have a problem with needing a permit to carry. I honestly haven't thought that one through and am open to arguments.

Getting rid of laws against drugs doesn't seem to me that it would get rid of the desire of some youts to become thugs for the sake of notoriety. There'll always be SOME law they can break and some inclination to use a gun in order to prove themselves tough.
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But there's no money in it if you get rid of the drug laws. That's where the fuel for all this crap comes from.

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I'm pretty sure that the informatic tools exist to profile you into extremely high risk pools for crime. Even the Joker was on the radar for potential violence, an informatic look at his purchases and online behaviour would have augmented the psych report. **** we could have drone striked him on the way to the movie theater. Stop and Frisk is going to be childs play in about 5 years.

I'll read an article that Target Stores can profile in on and identify pregnant women through their purchase histories and other databases available for sale. Then they can focus their advertising towards baby gear and infant formula without the woman even knowing she has been targeted.

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If the "allowed" drug cartels are buying treasuries with the proceeds then illegal drugs become a form of taxation and deficit spending support for our nation. Don't expect it to end anytime soon.

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When your role models sing "imma bust a cap in yo ass" and "slappin them hos" it is only logical to expect their behavior to be more criminal than those whose role models sing "I wanna rock and roll all night... and party every day". Not that Kiss is a great role model... In fact you could make the same comparisons between Kiss and a band from the 1950s. And this is just music. There are other forms of cultural manipulation at work here. I say "manipulation" because that is exactly what it is. The rich white guys put that crap out there for a reason.
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My mother witnessed several knife fights among black 14 and 15 year olds when she was in high school. That would have been c. 1930. The homicide rate in that community isn't related to drugs.


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Bottom line:

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One can go back in history and point out many things which facilitated the loss of wealth, health and sovereignty of the general population. The war on drugs is just one of those. On the top of my list is taxation without representation.
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Amen! Excellent post. (I also thought the recent post on manufacturers abandoning China for even lower wage countries was spot on.)
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Black on black felony assault rates are pretty much the same world wide(A bit worse in Africa). They're just more violent than other groups. You'd find the same is true about low murder rates with the Japanese people everywhere and so forth. If you want to put a lid on violence then you're going to need to oppress people who have poor impulse control.

Edit: Stuff like this isn't caused by drugs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmjBoSe2F....

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Is it possible that the problem is with black culture itself? I don't see any great African culture rising out of the ashes of colonialism. In fact, as the "brutal" whites have been forced to leave Africa they have been replaced with even more brutal regimes that have very little respect for life. The video from the SA strike is a great example. There was not going to be many survivors from that hail of bullets rained into the swarming crowd. It could very well be that without the opressive thumb of forced civility the blacks are simply a brutish bunch.

I am very aware of the non-PCness of this but I am rather sick of this crap. I am not happy with the random wildings that are becoming more common and this is not going to end well. If you doubt me please feel free to go to a black neighborhood when the welfare checks stop in a few years. You do that and I will go to the poorest white neighborhoods in west Virginia and we will see who comes out alive.

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I support the legalization of drugs as I believe that adult individuals have the right to do what they want when they are on their own property or on the property of someone who permits it.

However, I wonder what drug dealers in ghetto areas would do if they couldn't make money peddling drugs. With minimum wage laws and little protection for jobs-providing businesses in the ghettos, I suspect most drug peddlers would be unable to land jobs and would find some other criminal activities to earn a living on such as robbery which would be worse than drug peddling. At least drug peddlers learn business and money management skills.
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It's been clear for over a couple decades that the war on drugs is unwinnable. They're taking 8-balls off the street while low flying aircraft drop tons in the desert for pick-up. It's a joke. For every dealer they pop 2 more show up to take his place. Anybody with a brain must ask the burning question "What's the real intention of the 'war on drugs'?". The inner-city kids on the street corners don't have a chance. If the cops don't pop 'em their gang rivals will. The gov knows it's futile. But it's a money maker across the board. That's the driver.

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Let's not forget the intellectual property problem. Treaty could be a solution, but enforcement? How about all trade is immediately stopped by all countries to the violating country? Has to be such a hammer that one cannot afford to go there.

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Karl I have to disagree with you here on this. There are certain social pathologies that exist in these poor black areas, and legalizing drugs won't change a thing.

One of the biggest social pathologies is the black fatherless rate, currently about 66% across the nation and even higher in poor high crime areas. Do you think legalizing drugs will cause these men to all of a sudden say "hey drugs are legal, I think I'll start being a father to my child now?" I'm not trying to be sarcastic or confrontational, I'm trying to point out how these issues are not related.

You're a parent. So am I and many others here. Everyday you write here about the various injustices and wrongdoings that you see in the world around you. Have you ever used those injustices as a reason to not be a father to your child?

The black community is as close as you can get to the Progressive ideology that minimizes the male role in the family and favors a collective approach to the economy and to raising children. The result is an abject failure as anyone can see. The gov't is VERY MUCH involved in the lives of black America: from public housing to public assistance and taxpayer funded healthcare to provide for their basic needs to public education, and where has it gotten them?

As for education, we spend about 10K per student a yr in many cities and the poverty rates and unemployment rate and dropout rate remains high in these communities. Legalizing drugs won't change the fact that education is NOT valued in the inner city. Having a mother and father around working to raise these kids would go MUCH further towards getting their community's priorities in order.

Black America has and continues to participate in this failed Progressive Social experiment, and until they stand up and get off of the gov't plantation, nothing will change.

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If we really want to solve the murder problem we should legalize it.

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There is too much money being made by people in government and the private sector from young black people killing each other for there to be a conversation.
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