I have been saying this for a while now. Also, note that the Sinaloa cartel receives very little publicity. A few "investigative reports" I've seen on the MSM always talk about "los Zetas" as being the big threat. It seems that this has been done to educate the populace about who the "bad guys" are (in case competition gets out of hand and US military intervention is required.)

Just google: sinaloa mexico drug cartel is protected by governments

Reams of past material covering this

The government has been in the drug business for over 200 years. The flag of the USA is an altered flag of the British East India company, whose primary business was saltpeter and opium. I don't believe they ever went away.

The reference to Barry Seal has to do with Mena Arkansas. I knew a guy named David Seal and he didn't work and had a lot of money coming in he said his father left. I have always wondered if there was a link. But, over the years, the Mena news has faded, but Clinton was highly implicated in this operation of smuggling cocaine north and guns south. I heard a pretty intelligent man on tape speculate that the raid on Waco was to rub out the remanants of this operation, as he contended Koresh was altering guns for covert sales. In watching how little sense the whole operation appears, I wouldn't be shocked the BATF went in to wipe out the evidence. To launch an army against a compound full of women, children and old people to apprehend a man who literally invited them to come see him makes no sense.

To continue to believe our government is an honest, upright citizen of the world means sticking your head up your ass, hoping to spot gold nuggets. I don't know that any administration can get above this mess and if we wanted to investigate it, permission would be denied, for reasons of national security.

For a prime example, see this link in the archives of George Washington Univ.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/200104....

start on page 7 and think back

Well, I want to say..."amazing"..... but really I'm not surprised at all.

Yeah, big government is a wonderful thing.

Corrupt, abusive, evil, and criminal. **** them all.

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But it doesn't look like anyone in Congress wants to do a damn thing about it

You mean the same congress that FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accused of being traitors, receiving money from various middle eastern interests and committing espionage against the USA? She was legally muzzled by Ashcroft for 5 years but after she could speak openly, her allegations were never denied or investigated.

Mannfm hits on something very important to understanding all of this. The Brits had almost perfected the corporate trade in narcotics with the East India Company. They perfected the techniques used to profit from fomenting war and also make money from the international drug trade. Their intelligence network morphed and had a lot to do with the formation of MI5, MI6, etc. In order to fund their off-the-record activities, trade in drugs and otherwise illegal fare has always been an option. Various agencies and governments have repeatedly been caught (over and over and over again) being involved in the international drug trade, controlling the flow of illegal goods (arms, drugs, human slaves, etc.), money laundering, etc. The media likes to make these events sound disconnected, like they're a one-time event when they happen. But in truth, if you look back in history at how systemic these operations are and where they originated, it's much more than that.

Don't forget the bank involvement with big drug money laundering. Not even talking about the allegations, but just the admissions. The allegations about it are much, much worse.

don't you worry folks, come November we can all fix it !

and if that doesn't work the November 2 years hence

and if that doesn't work the November 2 years after that !

now hold hands and sing we shall prevail, write letters and sign change.org petitions, pay the State money so that you can enter the free speech zone! pay your taxes , see something say something ! duct tape your windows !

That GW archives link was interesting. Color me unsurprised. Knew there had to be more going on.

This goes back all the way to criminalisation, and even further.

Kids think they rebel by taking drugs, when all they are really doing, is paying into the political pension funds at every level.

Only 2004-2009? Probably that he KNOWS of... or was part of.

It's been going on for decades.

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By 1982 Barry Seal was bringing in drugs to the United States on behalf of the Medellin Cartel. Seal moved his base of operations from Louisiana to Mena, an obscure airport in the secluded mountains of western Arkansas. Seal told friends that he once made $1.5 million on a single cocaine flight. Seal worked directly for Sonia Atala, the CIA protected drug baron (Michael Levine, The Big White Lie: The CIA and the Cocaine/Crack Epidemic). It is also claimed that Seal's fleet of planes to ferry supplies to Contra camps in Honduras and Costa Rica. His planes also made return trips to airstrips in the mountains of Colombia and Venezuela. According to Roger Morris (Partners in Power): "His well-connected and officially-protected smuggling operation based in Mena accounted for billions in drugs and arms".

Seal also obtained two new multi-million dollar Beech Craft King Air 200s. According to Daniel Hopsicker, these aircraft were purchased by a Phoenix-based corporation that acted as a "front" for John Singlaub. This company also owned Southern Air, a CIA proprietary connected to William Casey, Richard Secord, Felix I. Rodriguez and George H. W. Bush.

Seal also owned a Lear jet. It had previously been owned by Reggie and Bill Whittington. In 1981 the brothers were arrested and charged in Florida with importing 400,000 pounds of marijuana and evading taxes on $73 million. The Lear jet was then passed on to Seal. It was registered as being owned by Intercontinental Holding, a CIA front company in the Cayman Islands that had been established by Paul Helliwell.

In March, 1984, Seal was indicted at Fort Lauderdale, Florida, for smuggling Quaaludes and laundering money. Former undercover narcotics investigator Stan Hughes told Daniel Hopsicker (Barry and the Boys) that: "When Barry got busted on the Quaalude thing, and I heard about their being government intervention to save his ass, I didn't believe it at first. But talk to any smuggler, and they'll tell you: they can always buy their way out of a dope deal."

In an attempt to avoid an expected 10 year sentence, Seal made contact with George H. W. Bush. He then appeared before a secret session of Bush's Task Force on Drugs in Washington where he testified that the Sandinistas were directly involved in drug trafficking into the United States. Seal claimed that the Medellin Cartel had made a deal with the Sandinistas, awarding them cuts of drug profits in exchange for the use of an airfield in Managua as a trans-shipment point for narcotics.

This news was welcomed by President Ronald Reagan who wanted to launch an all out war on the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) was now put under pressure to enlist Seal as an undercover informant with a special emphasis on the "Nicaraguan connection".

Seal agreed to organize a sting operation where he managed to get a photograph of Pablo Escobar helping Nicaraguan soldiers to load 1,200 kilos of cocaine on a C-123 military cargo plane. Soon afterwards Reagan went on television with the photograph to denounce the "Sandinistas as drug smugglers corrupting American youth".

As a result of Seal's cooperation in setting up this sting, the judge in Florida reduced his sentence from ten years to six months probation. The judge praised Seal for his work against the Sandinistas and pointing out that "when an informant puts his life on the line to help the forces of law and order, they deserve just compensation".

Seal also offered to provide information to the DEA implicating federal officials in the Iran-Contra scandal. This included Richard Ben-Veniste, a Watergate prosecutor who played a crucial role in the successful fight to secure the secret Richard Nixon White House tapes. Ben-Veniste represented both Barry Seal and Bill Clinton in the early 1980s. Ben-Veniste served as chief counsel to the Senate Whitewater Committee. However, the authorities were not interested in this information.

In December 1984, Seal was arrested in Louisiana after flying in a cargo of marijuana. After paying a $250,000 bond, Seal was released and returned to drug smuggling. In return Seal provided information that resulted in the US government obtaining 17 criminal convictions. According to Daniel Hopsicker: "Seal told investigators that between March 1984, and August 1985, he made a quarter-million dollars smuggling up to 15,000 kilos of cocaine while working for the DEA, and another $575,000 when the DEA let him keep the money from one shipment."

Barry Seal appeared before Judge Frank Polozola in Baton Rouge on 20th December, 1985. Found guilty of two drug felony convictions, Seal was sentenced to six months supervised probation. A condition of the sentence was that he had to spend every night, from 6.00 p.m. to 6.00 a.m., at the Salvation Army halfway house on Baton Rouge's Airline Highway strip. Judge Polozola barred him from carrying a gun or hiring armed guards. Barry Seal told his friends "they made me a clay pigeon".

Barry Seal was asked by his close friend, Rene Martin, if he feared being killed by the Ochoa family. Barry Seal replied that he was not afraid of the Colombians because he had not implicated senior members of the organization. Seal was more worried about his contacts within the US government. This view is supported by Lewis Unglesby, Seal’s lawyer. He confirmed that the man Seal was willing to testify against was George H. W. Bush.

On 19th February, 1986, Barry Seal returned to his Salvation Army hostel at 6.00 p.m. As he parked his white Cadillac he was approached by a man carrying a machine-gun. Two quick bursts hit Seal's head and body. One of Seal's friends, Russ Eakin, observed the killing. "I saw Barry get killed from the window of the Belmont hotel coffee shop. The killers were both out of the car, one on either side, but I only saw one shoot, cause Barry saw it coming and just put his head down on the steering column."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFK....

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Add to this mix the now irrefutable proof, some of it from the CIA itself, that then Vice President George H.W. Bush was a decision maker in illegal Contra support operations connected to the "unusual" acquisition of aircraft and that his staff participated in key financial, operational and political decisionsÉ

All these events lead inexorably to one unanswered question: How did this one plane go from being controlled by Barry Seal, the biggest drug smuggler in American history, to becoming, according to state officials, a favored airplane of Texas Governor George W. Bush?

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Three months into an exhaustive investigation of persistent reports dating to 1995 that there exists an incriminating videotape of current Republican Presidential front-runner Bush caught in a hastily-aborted DEA cocaine sting, the central allegation remains unprovenÉ

But some startling details have been confirmed, amid a raft of new suspicions emerging from conflicting FAA records. Those records, along with other irrefutable documents, point to the existence of far more than mere happenstance or dark "conspiracy theorist speculations" in the matter of how George W. Bush came to be flying the friendly Texas skies in an airplane that was a crown jewel in the drug smuggling fleet of the notorious Barry Seal. Those documents reveal - beyond any doubt - that in the 1980s Barry Seal, with whom the CIA has consistently denied any relationship, piloted and controlled airplanes owned by the same Phoenix Arizona company, Greycas, which in a 1998 bankruptcy filing, was revealed to have been a subsidiary of the same company that owned the now defunct CIA proprietary airline Southern Air Transport.

The investigation started with a lead into the history of the aircraft (a 1982 Beechcraft King Air 200 with FAA registration number N6308F - Serial Number BB-1014). The handwritten tail number was found in records kept by Seal's widow and later linked to other "hard paper" records left by Seal after his 1986 assassination by "drug traffickers" who were subsequently connected to Oliver North. Those records, including leasing agreements, insurance policies and maintenance records, exhibit a deliberately-confusing "paper trail" of convoluted ownership recalling the 'glory' days of the Iran Contra hearings, where the machinations of American covert intelligence operators were unmasked before a disbelieving public.

Combined with revelations in a 1998 CIA Inspector General's report of Contra-era cocaine trafficking in which the CIA admits to "briefing" then Vice President Bush on how it lied to Congress about cocaine trafficking by its agents, it becomes clear that father and son have common secrets to conceal from the American public. That report, Volume II of the CIA Inspector General's report into allegations of Contra cocaine trafficking can be viewed at https://www.cia.gov/redirects/ciaredirec.... A detailed discussion of that report, along with relevant excerpts is available at www.copvcia.com.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ci....

Looks like business as usual then.

RE: the above. If you discard everything in those links as BS you're left with the pics on the C-123 of Pablo Escobar, and Seals flying a plane owned by the US government.

One doesn't fly to central america and look for a load to carry back. It's a relationship forged over time, which would imply that .gov (Reagan's admin with H.W. Bush as VP) was fully complicit. Start looking for cockroaches from there.

A side note: Back when I saw Doublecrossed I wondered if Hopper made the roll seem larger than life. It would appear in an hour of reading that Hopper was a hack.

Reagan/Bush, hell. Try Johnson. The organism was born during Vietanam.

Anyone who thinks, with the kind of mega-billions that have been sloshing around on the black market for two generations, that the politcos, LE, and banksters haven't been into it up to their necks all along is living in dream world.

Yeah, and what is the main crop in Afghanistan, hmmm?

The Marines are guarding/protecting the Afghan's opium crops right now. It was on Fox news.

All the presidents since Reagan are caught up in this one, which is why nobody wants to do anything.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/har....

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This is the article which had been scheduled to appear in the Washington Post. After having cleared the legal department for all possible questions of inaccurate statements, the article was scheduled for publication when just as the presses were set to roll, Washington Post Managing Editor Bob Kaiser (Like George Bush, a member of the infamous "Skull & Bones Fraternity), killed the article without explanation. According to the sidebar which appeared with the Penthouse Magazine version of this story, Bob Kaiser refused to even meet with Sally Denton and Roger Morris, hiding in his office while his secretary made excuses.
This is the story that couldn't be suppressed. An investigative report into a scandal that haunts the reputations of three presidents - Reagan, Bush, and Clinton.

THE CRIMES OF MENA
By Sally Denton and Roger Morris

Barry Seal - gunrunner, drug trafficker, and covert C.I.A. operative extraordinaire - is hardly a familiar name in American politics. But nine years after he was murdered in a hail of bullets by Medellin cartel hit men outside a Salvation Army shelter in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, he has come back to haunt the reputations of three American presidents.

Seal's legacy includes more than 2,000 newly discovered documents that now verify and quantify much of what previously had been only suspicion, conjecture, and legend. The documents confirm that from 1981 to his brutal death in 1986, Barry Seal carried on one of the most lucrative, extensive, and brazen operations in the history of the international drug trade, and that he did it with the evident complicity, if not collusion, of elements of the United States government, apparently with the acquiescence of Ronald Reagan's administration, impunity from any subsequent exposure by George Bush's administration, and under the usually acute political nose of then Arkansas governor Bill Clinton.

The newly unearthed papers show the real Seal as far more impressive and well-connected than the character played by Dennis Hopper in a made-for-TV movie some years ago, loosely based on the smuggler's life. The film portrayed the pudgy pilot as a hapless victim, caught in a cross fire between bungling but benign government agencies and Latin drug lords. The truth sprinkled through the documents is a richer - and altogether more sinister - matter of national and individual corruption. It is a tale of massive, socially devastating crime, of what seems to have been an official cover-up to match, and, not least, of the strange reluctance of so-called mainstream American journalism to come to grips with the phenomenon and its ominous implications - even when the documentary evidence had appeared.

The trail winds back to another slightly bruited but obscure name - a small place in western Arkansas called Mena.

Of the many stories emerging from the Arkansas of the 1980s that was crucible to the Clinton presidency, none has been more elusive than the charges surrounding Mena. Nestled in the dense pine and hardwood forests of the Ouachita Mountains, some 160 miles west of Little Rock, once thought a refuge for nineteenth-century border outlaws and even a hotbed of Depression-era anarchists, the tiny town has been the locale for persistent reports of drug smuggling, gunrunning, and money laundering tracing to the early eighties, when Seal based his aircraft at Mena's Intermountain Regional Airport.

From first accounts circulating locally in Arkansas, the story surfaced nationally as early as 1989 in a *Penthouse* article called "Snowbound," written by the investigative reporter John Cummings, and in a Jack Anderson column, but was never advanced at the time by other media. Few reporters covering Clinton in the 1992 campaign missed hearing at least something about Mena. But it was obviously a serious and demanding subject - the specter of vast drug smuggling with C.I.A. involvement - and none of the major media pursued it seriously During 1992, the story was kept alive by Sarah McClendon, *The Nation*, and *The Village Voice*.........

Nonparticipation or pitchforks are the only solutions.

EVERYTHING is utterly corrupt in this country.

USA running drugs?

Say no more.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POL....

Very in depth. Very long. Very detailed, read the guy's flight logs.

I read long ago that the Iran Contra guns and drug running scam was producing the funding needed until they got Bill Clinton involved and he was milking so much money from the scam they shut it down.

Anyone who's "OK" with this drug war is no better than the average Joe in the south during slavery. I almost mean the slavery analogy literally, after all we do have an inordinate amount of black people making our license plates against their will.

(SARC)On a related note it sure is nice of those Asians to sleep and shop in the same factory all willing-like, isn't it? Never imagined a people could be so generous! Obviously the free citizens in Asia love America even more than we do, we should send them a thank-you card!(/SARC) Man, corporatists are terrible..

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Barry Seal appeared before Judge Frank Polozola in Baton Rouge on 20th December, 1985. Found guilty of two drug felony convictions, Seal was sentenced to six months supervised probation. A condition of the sentence was that he had to spend every night, from 6.00 p.m. to 6.00 a.m., at the Salvation Army halfway house on Baton Rouge's Airline Highway strip. Judge Polozola barred him from carrying a gun or hiring armed guards. Barry Seal told his friends "they made me a clay pigeon".

Federal Judge Pulls His Suit From Courts Run by State
April 3, 2004
http://www.tulanelink.com/tulanelink/pol....

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A federal judge in Louisiana has taken control of an accident case involving his car and issued an order transferring evidence about his medical condition to a sealed federal court file.

The medical evidence is being sought by lawyers for former Gov. Edwin W. Edwards of Louisiana. Mr. Edwards is serving a 10-year sentence for extorting payoffs for casino riverboat licenses.

The former governor contends that the judge, Frank J. Polozola, should not have heard his criminal case in 1999 and 2000 because the judge admitted in his accident suit to being impaired and to using Oxy-Contin, a pain medication, in that period.

A lawyer for Mr. Edwards, Nathan Z. Dershowitz, called the intervention in the accident case outrageous.

"The notion that a federal judge can take over and enter orders in his own state case, in which he is a party, is to my knowledge unprecedented and shocking," Mr. Dershowitz said.

Experts in judicial ethics echoed that view. "This is really astonishing," Stephen Gillers, a law professor at New York University, said. "Polozola cannot be the judge of his own case. That's the first commandment of judicial ethics."

Through a judicial assistant, Judge Polozola, the chief judge of Federal District Court in Baton Rouge, declined to comment.

"He has a policy of not speaking to the media in any case pending before him," the aide, Jackie Gaudin, said.

Mr. Dershowitz said Mr. Edwards would appeal the judge's ruling.

In the accident case, filed in 1998, Judge Polozola, 62, sought compensation for a "serious physical injury" that caused him mental anguish and "impairment of function." In the trial in 2000, Mr. Edwards's lawyers wrote in filings, the judge engaged in "erratic, even paranoid" behavior. The accident case was settled in 2001, and testimony from the judge, his psychiatrist and his psychologist was sealed.

Mr. Edwards's lawyers, in challenging his conviction, recently sought to unseal those records. That led to a request from federal prosecutors last week that Judge Polozola take control of the state court case to avoid "irreparable injury to a national interest."

Twenty minutes after prosecutors filed that request, Judge Polozola ordered the evidence in his accident case transferred to federal court and sealed.

The United States attorney in New Orleans, James Letten, declined to comment, citing the pending federal case. In court papers, prosecutors said Judge Polozola had handled the Edwards case evenhandedly.

Harry Rosenberg, one of Mr. Letten's predecessors as United States attorney, said the prosecutors and judge were on untested ground.

"I have never seen that sort of situation before, but I've only been practicing for 30 years," Mr. Rosenberg said. "It's beyond the cutting edge of jurisprudence and legal maneuvering."

Steven Lubet, who teaches legal ethics at Northwestern University, said Judge Polozola's case involved a difficult balance.

"What's at issue here," Professor Lubet said, "is the judge's right to medical privacy versus the defendant's right to a fair proceeding."

But he added: "What you want is a judge who can dispassionately weigh those issues. Judge Polozola is not that judge."

Dirty as the day is long. Polozola probably set up Seal's execution by .gov.

BTW - **** YOU, PEASANTS. Quit asking questions.

The Mena operation was well-known on Free Republic, back in the day. Probably where Billy Clinton got some of the jack he needed to run for president.

The obvious next question: What about the laundering of all the drug money this cartel was assisted in making? We all know that drug money helped prop up the financial system during the crash in '08. Does anyone believe that no drug money is going through the system now, daily?
After Pablo Escobar was killed, the flow of drugs to the US actually increase, allegedly by way of CIA efficiency; They just took over his operation and ran all the interference. It would appear a similar thing is happening here. It's not a "War On Drugs", it's a war over drugs. IMHO.

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Probably where Billy Clinton got some of the jack he needed to run for president.

Yup..from the article I posted:

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Meanwhile, prominent backers of Clinton's over the same years - including bond broker and convicted drug dealer Dan Lasater and chicken tycoon Don Tyson - have themselves been subjects of extensive investigative and surveillance files by the D.E.A. or the F.B.I. similar to those relating to Seal, including allegations of illegal drug activity that Tyson has recently acknowledged publicly and denounced as "totally false." "This may be the first president in history with such close buddies who have NADDIS numbers," says one concerned law-enforcement official, referring to the Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs Intelligence System numbers assigned those under protracted investigation for possible drug crimes.

heh. maybe potus is really just code for being king of the largest and most violent drug cartel the world has ever seen

it sure would explain a lot

50/50 ?

Well, it just isn't plausible that the US government could not stop the drug traffic if it had the least desire to do so. C'mon. We have the most powerful military in the world and...uh...we can't secure our own borders? Puh-leez.

I would say that a very active illegal drug trade is rather obviously government policy. It also appears to me that it is more and more the policy of the medical establishment to get as many people as possible hooked on addictive drugs. What I see more and more often is that illnesses are not being diagnosed and treated, but instead people are given drugs as palliatives--often opiates or other addictive drugs.

I rather think there is a reason for this.

And, as Mannfm11 mentioned, it does put you in mind of the Opium Wars.

There are various estimates of the percentage of the Chinese population that was addicted to opium at the time of peak use: Ten percent of the entire population, 30% of the population of Hong Kong, about 27% of the entire adult male population, etc. "Not until the Communist takeover in 1949 did things change significantly—and then only because of Mao’s ruthless policies. Dealers were executed. And although users were often treated humanely, many of them also were executed after relapsing."

Elsewhere you can find estimates that 90 percent of the Emperor's court and the majority of the army were opium addicts.

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One of the most disgraceful episodes of the 19th century was the Chinese Opium Wars. Dazzled by the prospect of an enormous market, Britain force-fed China with Indian opium, deliberately creating millions of addicts to swell the profits of its merchants. When the Chinese resisted, Britain crushed them.... The British...only began to aggressively market opium after they took control of the main opium producing areas of India in the mid-18th century.

http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view....

This **** will keep your population debilitated and passive, and drugs are certainly not the only tool being used to keep the US population debilitated and passive.