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Jackl
Posts: 2228
Incept: 2008-01-17
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You don't go after the people who sign your paychecks.
Quite simply there is no incentive beyond "civic duty" to enforce the law and go after these crooks. If anything, it's the opposite. You've seen that with F&F and the various operation managers.
Pick one:
1. Tow the line, shut your mouth. Get promoted/protected.
2. Blow the whistle, submit evidence, bring attention to the matter? Get fired, audited, and possibly sued.
Nothings impossible with you have infinite power, and no accountability.
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Pcaldallas
Posts: 1343
Incept: 2009-03-02
Unicorn Ranch
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I think the links to the articles which discuss how big banks aren't lending as much and the bulk of the lending has been picked up by small or regional banks is interesting. Unemployment is growing, the business climate is not good and all anecdotal evidence points to another economic crash. Not to venture too far into the tinfoil realm, but is it possible that the larger banks are being prepared for the crash to pick up the pieces when the regional and smaller banks fail en masse due to failed small and medium sized businesses?
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"The appearance of law must be upheld, especially when it's being broken." - Boss Tweed, Gangs of New York
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Steelhead23
Posts: 2037
Incept: 2008-09-09
Portland OR
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To be clear, even if we "stay away" from the rigged markets, these frauds are killing us. They kill us because policy makers are either complicit or are convinced that if they prosecute such frauds the ripples would unhinge the "system" (as in their perception that the big banks are too big to fail), so we not only get screwed by the banksters, we get screwed by our economic policy makers as the current real rate of inflation is about four times what one would earn on savings. Make no mistake. This is not caused by speculators driving prices up - or even the drought (which I expect to get much of the blame), it is caused by excessive debt, ZIRP, and leverage, eating away at the value of our dollars. This reminds me of the fear one might feel while cycling down a steep hill - you might get going so fast that touching the brakes seems like suicide - yet you are going too fast to make that next turn.
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"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" —Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild Benjamin Bernanke For-profit commercial banks are a menace and should be eradicated
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Etz
Posts: 13888
Incept: 2007-06-26
LA
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Another opportunity is fast approaching. Maybe this time the bastards won't be so lucky... 
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Legal chicanery and beneficent darkness are the banker's stoutest allies - F.Pecora.
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Sunkeye
Posts: 190
Incept: 2010-12-14
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godspeed karl denninger
and i'm an atheist or at least a struggling agnostic
max's stuff is cool but i dig it mostly for 'the show' ie max flipping out occasionally
the ticker tho is for real no kidding around databank stuff
i'm too old (and cynical) for heroes anymore but kd is a man i can and do admire
keep it coming mister d - please
godspeed karl denninger
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F3nton
Posts: 9
Incept: 2008-09-21
London
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Andysvw
Posts: 1720
Incept: 2010-06-26
Tujunga Ca
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Now that main street has been wiped out. The state and local gov is next in line to be pillaged. As I see it since 08 they have been raiding the pensions of state and local employees. They stole them already. They are just waiting for the right time to tell them. If its as I suspect local gov is in panic mode. They know they will be the first to hang. The states need to get people working on productive jobs. Not parasitic jobs or service jobs but actual productive jobs.
We can turn this around at the local level. We have to. It is not going to happen at the feral level. First step control of local courts. Hold all local judges accountable to the people of their counties and states.
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Captainkidd
Posts: 594
Incept: 2010-05-25
Pasadena, Texas
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Quote:We can turn this around at the local level. We have to. It is not going to happen at the feral level. It can't happen at the local level, either, and for the same reason that it won't happen at the state, or federal level. Everyone has their own little agenda, and their hand out for their share of the public pie. Watch the nightly news in any major market city in the country, and you realize how corrupt and blind the local city .GOV is, with local elected officials and special interest groups stealing the cities and counties blind while the FSA scumbags pick over what is left of the carcass for anything worth taking. There is no problem that city government faces that they don't think can be fixed with an additional sales tax, no problem that the county faces that can't be fixed by raising property taxes, and no problem that either of them face that can't be fixed by throwing more money at it. The county, city and school district employees refuse to admit that there is no money and keep demanding raises, and the elected asshats will not admit that there is just no money to oblige them. Cities, counties and states are heading for the same cliff that the FED.GOV is heading for.
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A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a thousand men with guns. --Mario Puzo
It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. -- Henry Ford
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Mannfm11
Posts: 3535
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
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If there hadn't been the collapse in the fall of 2008, the stock market would have gone nowhere since then, as the SPX was in the 1320 range then. If Bernanke did something to cause the collapse, he would have merely been acting to produce fantastic returns to sell in a market that has dismal returns over the past 14 years (SPX was 1190 on July 12, 1998). We don't hear the market is down or bad, but instead it is up 100% since March 2009. Well, you pretty much broke even from July 2008, so who was in and who was out from July 2008 is who made out and who didn't.
It is hard to call Bernanke a criminal, but his acts have all been to obscure the fact that massive crimes were committed and to enable more to go on since. If he pulled liquidity, I would think it would add to Paulson's tanks in the street argument and also to the fact that the Fed knew the banking system was broke and failed to act. The Fed is either incompetent to manage and regulate the broad banking system or is merely there to aid and abet crimes done with the nations and in the case of the dollar the world's money supply.
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Mannfm11
Posts: 3535
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
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Kidd, it can happen at the local level, because the locals have to pay for what they spend or go broke. You can move away from local to another local. Hard to get away from a national. If they don't pay for a FSA in a locality, it will go somewhere else. Once a few localities become totally FSA, the bond holders will begin to look to see if there is a FSA in the neighborhood. As far as politicians go? The lamp posts are local. I think local government is a band of thieves as well and if being that close they are thieving, think what they are doing when they can hide in some far away place like DC? The big question is, how much of this mess is due to the Federal government putting in funds and directives and how much is due to the good old boys club taking more than its share. Seems the more Federal money has come into a city, the worse it has become. For an accurate and humorous description of politicians, follow the link below and read the chapter called Anarchists Progress. I suspect this is more the norm than even most of us would suspect. Speaking of oxymorons, when one of these guys is referred to as "The Honorable X", it has to top the list. http://library.mises.org/books/Albert%20....
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Captainkidd
Posts: 594
Incept: 2010-05-25
Pasadena, Texas
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Quote:As far as politicians go? The lamp posts are local. I think local government is a band of thieves as well and if being that close they are thieving, think what they are doing when they can hide in some far away place like DC? I see you are located in the Dallas area. I lived there all my life, only moving to Houston this past March to chase a job. Living in Dallas, you know what I mean about crooked and corrupt city and county government. I don't know if there are enough lamp posts there to accomplish the task.
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A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a thousand men with guns. --Mario Puzo
It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. -- Henry Ford
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Drench
Posts: 28631
Incept: 2009-11-10
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At least the message is sinking in. Quote:Take a recent Investing Sentiment Survey by Boston-based money managers MFS Investment Management. The poll discovered that 29 percent of people say they will never be comfortable investing in stocks — a shocking number in and of itself. But among Generation Y investors under 31, that number spikes to 52 percent.
If that sentiment holds, it means that a large chunk of an entire generation of investors could be shunning equities for years to come. And that's not exactly a tailwind for the Dow. "Those numbers are surprising to us, but you can't really blame them," says William Finnegan, MFS' senior managing director. "Younger folks are essentially saying that the market is a very scary place — and as a result, a lot of their money is just being held in cash." http://www.cnbc.com/id/48241179
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Killben
Posts: 205
Incept: 2009-12-07
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If you don't handcuffs on the banksters soon .. as Charles says below... being a criminal will be the normal. http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.in/2012....So what are law-abiding citizens .. FOOLS... Without people revolting change will not happen.
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Ghopper
Posts: 2299
Incept: 2011-06-11
Staten Island, NY
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Quote:"At least the message is sinking in." No problem. Just look at what Germany is thinking about doing. Taking a % of the people's savings to paid the country's debt. Coming soon to the good old US of A.
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Lenguado
Posts: 1272
Incept: 2010-01-12
Orlando, FL
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Ghopper, I's has no savings.... There was this terrible boating accident see. And all my savings were lost at sea. Go for it! BTW, if that happens. You'll know that the 'end game' has started. Just sayin...
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I just realized... they aren't saying, "Keynesian Economics" they're saying "Kenyansian Economics". Grass Huts for everyone! Welcome to history’s first Double Dip Depression
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Donethat
Posts: 771
Incept: 2009-04-22
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House on the street, foreclosed March 2012, 166k, for sale July 2012, 259k. I think they dewinterized it, improvements listed, new paint and new kitchen appliances.
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