JP Morgan: Fraud Is Fraud, Where Are The Indictments?
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Posted 2012-07-13 09:34
by Karl Denninger
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JP Morgan: Fraud Is Fraud, Where Are The Indictments?
 

From the JP Morgan earnings release this morning:

JPMorgan said today that it recently discovered information that suggests some individuals at the company may have been trying to avoid showing the full amount of the losses. All employees working on synthetic credit derivatives in the CIO have left the bank, the company said today.

Evidence of fraud within a bank is not just a fireable offense.  It is also evidence of a criminal offense which must be investigated and acted upon.

Intentionally reporting bad marks isn't something that one should brush under the rug.  In addition it is clear that Jamie Dimon exercised insufficient oversight of an office that reported directly to him.

As Janet Tavakoli has opined today, and I agree, under any reasonable standard Jamie Dimon must be fired.

Further, it appears that a material mis-statement of results occurred and one thus cannot trust the former accounting statements until and unless they are gone through with a fine-toothed comb.

I know Dimon is somewhat of a "golden boy" among both regulators and the "cognescenti", but that's immaterial here.  This is not a "rogue trader" who is three or four levels of management removed from the CEO's office -- it is literally a direct report that not only made "bad decisions" they appear to have attempted to intentionally hide the loss, and Dimon was directly responsible for supervision of that office and failed to exercise the appropriate level of oversight and diligence.

He must go.

(Never mind that it appears that investors think he'll not only keep his job, but the bank will be rewarded for effectively "getting away with it" -- the stock is up 3%.)

Disclosure: No position in JP Morgan.

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It's pretty amazing that it's gotten to this level and there is not one single arrest. MSM here in the US is complicit in hiding this fraud. This should be the subject matter of every nightly news show since in essence it is a matter of national security. Holder should just be fired.....as well as most all of the States AG's. If they won't do their gdamned job(s), why the **** are they getting paid?

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He'll be our next Treasury Secretary...

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Kyla beat me to it. My sig as usual is the reason this continues.

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"Jamie Dimon exercised insufficient oversight of an office that reported directly to him."

So, we have two paths.

1. Jamie Dimon "missed it"; and now we have to ask what else has (or will he) "miss"?

2. He didn't' "miss it" but in fact knew about it and should be prosecuted for the crime.

I suspect the path the government will take here is to divert our attention to a more exciting situation and try to forget about this "mistake"...PGFBest anyone?

I mean really, the Fed has spent 4 years and trillions trying to save JP Morgan and the rest of Elite Banking Club; are they really going to bury them over a couple billion?

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I suspect the path the government will take here is to divert our attention to a more exciting situation


Yup, buckle up.

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Yeah, Sarbanes-Oxley's really doing its job, isn't it.

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You expect more in an environment where Corzine is allowed to lay low and others in the lending industry (Countrywide) that committed fraud were allowed walk? They have just become more bold. They don't care anymore.

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Genesis wrote..
Never mind that it appears that investors think he'll not only keep his job, but the bank will be rewarded for effectively "getting away with it" -- the stock is up 3%.


Make that 5%.

The stock should be ZERO because the company is a black hole.

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"Fraud Is Fraud, Where Are The Indictments?"

A question that is repeatedly asked.

I think this guy has the answer between the 14th and 17th minute into the video. Three minutes that are worth listening to a couple of times in order to stop asking the same question. Yeah! I know it's rhetorical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IE7rHh4A....

If it's the way they've rolled in the UK since 1992, sure as hell it's the same in the US.
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Dimon shows up in front of congress for an inquiry and congressmen lick his shoes.

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What Congress licks is brown but it sure as hell isn't his shoes.

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Jail is for the 'little people'.
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What Congress licks is brown but it sure as hell isn't his shoes.


It's not brown, it's PINK - because they lick it clean! smiley

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The next or present bubble is: Financial Fraud...staring everyone in the face. The 1%, maybe 2% are really the fraudsters, the 99% are the rest of us.
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Financial Fraud: "no one saw it coming"


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As Evidence Mounts, DC Insiders Worry About Holder's Inaction on Wall Street Crime
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/a....

Obviously since obama was paid off for years as was holder there will be no prosecutions
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up 6% no one gives a ****

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Jubber, you're making an assumption there are actual humans behind the buyers - algos aren't human, and I'm not so sure about pension fund managers either smiley

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"Yeah, Sarbanes-Oxley's really doing its job, isn't it."

I thought section 304 would apply to this fact pattern.

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Uh, yeah.

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Yes, Telsa. What fund manager could possibly rationalization holding a position in this stock at this point? In the unlikelihood that Dimon wasn't in on the fraud, then the only conclusion is that JPM is too-big-to-manage and that any financials coming out of JPM are unreliable.
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So how far above $5.8 billion is it going to go, or will it stop there?
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