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I"m willing to bet the majority of people calling Penn State followers cult members are the same people that indulge in Tebowmania or Linsanity or have a home sports team they put on a pedestal. They are just as guilty as the people they complain about and detest in that they give these people hero status which we now know can be manipulated to shield a criminal from justice.
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Did you just compare the cult of JoePa (A multidecade institutional regime with sweeping control of both the school and local politics) with excitement over a overly religious backup QB and a flash in the pan baskekball rookie?

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LOl -never followed sports of any type and never sought a "political" messiah.

As far as Tebow is concerned I am not so arrogant as to believe that true GOD would give a crap about a mediocre football game in the grand scope of the universe. Such behavior is a type of narcissistic self worship.

Tebow is saying 'look how important I am' in his public spectacle. I blame Sunday and religious TV for turning true religion and piety into a mockery.

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Gen wrote:

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You may think this is a bunch of internet warrior crap but it is not. This is about institutionalized support for child sexual assault for the purpose of protecting the reputation and earnings power of monsters, exactly as it was with the Catholic Church.


So where are the tickers about boycotting the Catholic Church? From my point of view Gen, your hypocrisy is profound. Or is just more fun to kick the little guy, as there were only a couple of dozen victims at Penn St. vs. hundreds or thousands with the Church? You are still a member of the Church, no?

As for the cult of JoePa at Penn St., it's no different than Bear Bryant at Bama, Lombardi with the Packers, or Halas with the Bears. And God only knows what went on in their locker rooms....

Brushyourteeth - I have no idea why you were attacked, as you hardly stated you supported what happened at Penn St. You simply pointed out, and rightly so, the flaw in the logic of blaming and punishing everyone involved with the University , in any capacity, and at any time since 1955. What a crock.

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So where are the tickers about boycotting the Catholic Church? From my point of view Gen, your hypocrisy is profound.

Oh, so my activism work pre-dating the Ticker doesn't count?

That's a load of bull****. There are only a few ways to get nailed in The Bar, but intentionally misrepresenting my record on issues is one of them.

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Vernonb wrote..
Anyone that tells someone that he MUST go along with any majority decision for the sake of harmony and consencus in a group is twisted. The dissentor must then also support that decision. This is brainwashing. Needless to say - the righteous resistors get kicked in the teeth from a carreer perspective.


Read up on the Delphi Technique:

The Delphi Technique: Let’s Stop Being Manipulated!
By Albert V. Burns
http://www.vlrc.org/articles/110.html


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DrHooves wrote..
the Catholic Church? From my point of view Gen, your hypocrisy is profound. Or is just more fun to kick the little guy, as there were only a couple of dozen victims at Penn St. vs. hundreds or thousands with the Church? You are still a member of the Church, no?


While I realize that was directed at Karl, and I have never written any tickers or similar -

I left the Catholic Church for essentially the same reasons Karl did, actually - almost exactly the same reasons. Long before there was a Tickerforum or I knew that Karl Denninger existed.

Hard for me to understand why anyone would continue to support an institution which has
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institutionalized support for child sexual assault


For the record, I have no favorite team, college, university, sports association and do no participate in any club, organization or in any way belong to a group that could be called cultish. Hell, I even disagree with many on TF most of the time.

I am in agreement however with this thread.

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I left the Catholic Church for essentially the same reasons Karl did, actually - almost exactly the same reasons. Long before there was a Tickerforum or I knew that Karl Denninger existed.

Hard for me to understand why anyone would continue to support an institution which has

There will be no more warnings.

If the intentional and fraudulent misrepresentation vis-a-vis my activism on this matter with the Catholic Church (which was EXTREMELY loud and in fact included my FULL withdrawal of ALL financial support, and that support HAS NOT returned nor will it) everyone involved in such misrepresentation will be instantly and permanently banned.

Consider this fair warning.

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Baydog wrote..
I"m willing to bet the majority of people calling Penn State followers cult members are the same people that indulge in Tebowmania or Linsanity or have a home sports team they put on a pedestal. They are just as guilty as the people they complain about and detest in that they give these people hero status which we now know can be manipulated to shield a criminal from justice.


I hate sports. I was cured of 95% of them years ago.

Drhooves wrote..
So where are the tickers about boycotting the Catholic Church? From my point of view Gen, your hypocrisy is profound. Or is just more fun to kick the little guy, as there were only a couple of dozen victims at Penn St. vs. hundreds or thousands with the Church? You are still a member of the Church, no?


Hooves, you're a clown. Denninger REGULARLY bashes on the Church. I would bet that he felt it unnecessary to add to the gallons of Internet ink on the subject you're deriding him over, being as how there are people who have full-time jobs bashing on the Cattolicas over the pedo-homo-priests issue.

Plus, I think you're doing the apples & oranges thingee, because we're talking about institutional sociopathy and its inculcation. I'm pretty sure adherent Catholics weren't doing the sis-boom-rah when the pedo-cockroaches got flushed out. Certainly, there were those who covered the vileness up, but as a lapsed Catholic, I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have let a priest's robe or a bishop's mitre over-awe me on a matter like this.

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If the intentional and fraudulent misrepresentation vis-a-vis my activism on this matter with the Catholic Church (which was EXTREMELY loud and in fact included my FULL withdrawal of ALL financial support, and that support HAS NOT returned nor will it)


There's your rebuttal, Hooves. You may apparently stick your little "hypocrisy" gambit* up your ass.

*The hypocrisy gambit tends to be used exclusively by one portion of the political spectrum.

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At dinner the other night with my son and his wife of seven years - my son remarked that Dad used to make Mass every week, and often on holy days - My DIL's jaw dropped and she said "are you kidding me?"

She was unaware of my previous behavior or changes.

When it became clear to me that it was widespread, went on many years, enjoyed support all the way to the top, etc. I no longer wanted to be a part of it.

How people can be so rabid in their support of any institution, be it religious or educational is beyond me.


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http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/15/us/tripone....

The Woman Who Stood Up to Joe Paterno

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She agrees with Freeh's suggestion that the university's trustees lead an effort to "vigorously examine and understand" Penn State's culture, why it's so resistant to outside perspectives and why it places such an "excessive focus on athletics."

"It's comforting to know that others can now understand," Triponey said. "It didn't have to happen this way."



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At Penn State, Triponey was among the few who stood up to Paterno, the legendary "JoePa" who for 61 years was synonymous with a football program that pumped millions of dollars into Penn State. And she paid dearly for it. At the end, nobody at the top backed her. And it didn't seem to matter to anyone whether she was right, or even if she had a point.

At the heart of the problem, the Freeh report stated, were university leaders eager to please Paterno above all else, a rubber-stamp board of trustees, a president who discouraged dissent and an administration that was preoccupied with appearances and spin.

Triponey has been saying that since 2005.

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Banner Flying Over Penn State To Have Joe Paterno Statue Removed

Someone has a banner flying over Penn State today that says "Take the statue down or we will" referring, obviously, to the Joe Paterno statue that still stands outside the football stadium.

http://www.961kiss.com/pages/freakshow.h....

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It's about damn time.

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PSU opponents should cancel games, since it's apparent that the NCAA, another worthless agency, doesn't plan on taking immediate corrective action to rectify this situation. Just sayin.

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You think that's going to happen? Lol. Money talks. No games are going to get cancelled.

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PSU opponents should cancel games, since it's apparent that the NCAA, another worthless agency, doesn't plan on taking immediate corrective action to rectify this situation. Just sayin.


More than 60% of the revenue of NCAA is redistributed income. This beast is like a hydra considering all the potential financial players involved. Don't be surprised if you find other institutions mixed up with this scandal. Penn State was a big contributor to that revenue. I will be surprised if anyone in that organization has the brass balls to stand up and cut them off.

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The Woman Who Stood Up to Joe Paterno...

Wow, Briar. That's quite a story. Thanks for finding it. The part about her not being able to find a job in higher education until after the Sandusky story broke is especially telling.

I went to a Big 10 university myself and the "football culture" there made me absolutely sick. Too many "student athletes" were nothing more than binge-drinking, destructive, assaulting, rapist thug/animals - and got away with most of it.
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i say tear down the stadium and let the statue stand to remind us why it was necessary to tear down the stadium
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http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/advoca....

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Advocacy Group Asks NCAA to Let Penn State Football Players Transfer Without Penalty

July 18, 2012, 3:48 pm

The president of an advocacy group for college athletes on Tuesday sent a letter to Mark Emmert, president of the National Collegiate Athletic Association, asking the organization to let current and incoming Pennsylvania State University football players transfer to other institutions without penalty in the wake of the damaging Freeh report. “Penn State officials should not be given the power to hold players’ financial aid and athletic opportunities hostage and, under these circumstances, the NCAA should waive its one-year residency requirement for Penn State football players that wish to transfer,” wrote Ramogi Huma, president of the National College Players Association. Mr. Huma’s request comes shortly after Mr. Emmert said in an interview that the NCAA wouldn’t rule out the so-called death penalty for Penn State’s football program.

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Big Ten Conference Could Consider Expelling Penn State Over Scandal
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By Brad Wolverton

In considering a punishment for Pennsylvania State University over the Jerry Sandusky scandal, the NCAA has said it will not rule out benching the entire Nittany Lions football program. But the Big Ten could hand down an even harsher penalty—booting the university out of the conference.



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PSU students conduct vigil to guard JoePa statue:
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/48234221/n....
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Brown U., Paterno’s Alma Mater, Removes His Name From Sports Award

July 17, 2012, 12:11 pm

Brown University is the latest organization to distance itself from the late Pennsylvania State University football coach Joe Paterno in the wake of last week’s damning report that implicated top Penn State officials in the Sandusky sex-abuse scandal, according to the Providence Journal. In 1993, Brown named an award for a male freshman athlete after Mr. Paterno, who graduated from the university in 1950. The university said it had removed Mr. Paterno’s name from the award this spring, and “will make a decision about the naming of the award in future years.” Nike removed Mr. Paterno’s name from a child-care center at its headquarters last week. A student group that manages the area outside the Pennsylvania university’s football stadium where students camp for tickets has also changed the site’s name, from “Paternoville” to “Nittanyville.”

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17....

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Jerry Sandusky Retirement Package Revoked By Penn State University, Pension Remains

Jerry Sandusky has been downgraded.

Penn State University has officially revoked the retirement package of Sandusky, a convicted pedophile, according to the Daily Collegian.

Sandusky, a one time assistant football coach at PSU, retired in 1999 and received a lump sum payment of $168,000. The Freeh report, released last week, noted this was a highly unusual amount.

Another bizarre condition of Sandusky's retirement included giving him "emeritus" status, which allowed him generous privileges. At the time of his retirement, Sandusky was an assistant physical education professor and assistant football coach positions, which wouldn't qualify him eligible for the emeritus rank. He was given wide access to use facilities on campus, including the locker rooms and showers where he was found to repeatedly molest and******young boys.

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It's all good. George Mitchell will make sure Penn State has integrity and such going forward. He was almost a Supreme Court justice ya know...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-01....
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